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UrRight



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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/14/2010, 4:45 pm

BigWhiteGuy wrote:
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Anyway, BWG, I always trust your opinion, why do you say Caroline Kennedy may not at all regret campaigning for Obambie?

President Kennedy in my eyes...was the best POTUS...I feel Caroline was mislead by her uncle.
She's a DUMBOcrat, another party lemming. Not one to think for herself, not unlike most on this board!

Set the "D" aside for a second...never since her father she stated...remember?

If she is so empowered by him...why has she not intervened and stated HER opinion since campaigning for him?
I doubt in my heart she approves of him now...and I know in my heart Kennedy was a player (her UNCLE), but what's that got to do what is best for our country?
Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what YOU can DO for YOUR country.
All I see is the piece of shitz POTUS doing for him and not for the country...so I can't understand why SWEET CAROLINE has not spoken since his winning the POTUS line.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/14/2010, 4:50 pm

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Rauf has not been definitively linked to terrorism.

Which should have been the end of the story, IMHO.

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“I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved [the Sept. 11 attacks], but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened,” said Feisal on CBS 60 Minutes on Sept. 30, 2001. “[W]e have been an accessory to a lot of – of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it – in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.”

That's all it takes to be considered an apologist these days? Merely acknowledging the cause and effect relationship of our foreign policy, the deaths that they've unfortunately incurred and the psychological effects of such on the local populations, and the ill conceived idea of training religious radicals to fight our enemies on the naive hope that they never, ever use what they're taught against us? No cheering for the deaths of Americans? No dancing in the streets? Shouts of "Death to America"? Just a simple "maybe that's not a good idea", and BAM... terrorist sympathizer.

Critics have certainly lowered their standards, haven't they?
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/14/2010, 5:28 pm

Here's a real good perspective from one of the commentators on the subject I submitted:

This is ricdicuouls. It's a slap in the face to all of us as Americans. It was the Muslims who caused the attack on 9/11. No we don't need this as a reminder to our fear and all the lives lost on that day. We need to wake up, too much is left to go by in the name of "tolerance". Anyone can twist the words of the constituion and their rights to suit their on purporse.
And, why are they allowed to practice their "religion" when we are not allowed to pray in schools or they are trying to take away "IN GOD WE TRUST" in everything. Wake up people! Don't just blindly follow the leader. He is not good for us!
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/14/2010, 5:31 pm

BigWhiteGuy wrote:
UrRight wrote:
Anyway, BWG, I always trust your opinion, why do you say Caroline Kennedy may not at all regret campaigning for Obambie?

President Kennedy in my eyes...was the best POTUS...I feel Caroline was mislead by her uncle.
She's a DUMBOcrat, another party lemming. Not one to think for herself, not unlike most on this board!

But, do you not agree we have not had a great POTUS since Jack Kennedy?
I remember being in 5th grade when the nun came in, and the whole class was crying...

Hell, I how old was I in Nov of 1963? I just remember I was in grade school...born in '54 what grade was I in?

Damn, I must be a dumbocrat...can't remember how old I was. Only where I was. Ok, I can count...that makes me a Repo...7 years old...as a dumbocrat, what grade was I in? 2nd? I don't remember shitz outside the fatso teacher that used to back me up against the door with her 300 lb. belly telling me "You talk too much". I told her, "YOU EAT TOO MUCH!"
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/14/2010, 5:43 pm

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By Alana Goodman
Culture and Media Institute
August 10, 2010
The Culture and Media Institute is an American non-profit organization focusing on promoting what it believes to be traditional values in American culture and beliefs and fair treatment of conservatives in the news media. It was founded in October 2006 as a division of the Media Research Center, a group that monitors perceived liberal news media bias.[1]
In other words,it's just another right-wing hack site.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/14/2010, 8:16 pm

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US President Barack Obama's endorsement of a controversial plan to build a mosque just blocks from Ground Zero poured fuel Saturday on a raging debate over religious freedom and sensitivities over the 9/11 attacks....

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Weighing his words carefully on a fiery political issue, President Barack Obama said Saturday that Muslims have the right to build a mosque near New York's ground zero, but he did not say whether he believes it is a good idea to do so.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ground_zero_mosque_obama;_ylt=AqcIIFNnX8GRfrP2oAJWBQ2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNycWJ2NDY4BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwODE0L3VzX2dyb3VuZF96ZXJvX21vc3F1ZV9vYmFtYQRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzMEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA2Z1bGxuYnNwc3Rvcg--
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Obama's Friday comment was taken by some to mean that he strongly supports the building of an Islamic center near the site of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack, something he never said.

The President did not "endorse" the plan, nor did he say that he supported it.

Here is a link to his speech...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_mosque_text_2

An excerpt follows, but I suggest you read all of what he had to say.

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Our founders understood that the best way to honor the place of faith in the lives of our people was to protect their freedom to practice religion. In the Virginia Act of Establishing Religion Freedom, Thomas Jefferson wrote that "all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion." The First Amendment of our Constitution established the freedom of religion as the law of the land. And that right has been upheld ever since.

Indeed, over the course of our history, religion has flourished within our borders precisely because Americans have had the right to worship as they choose — including the right to believe in no religion at all. And it is a testament to the wisdom of our founders that America remains deeply religious — a nation where the ability of peoples of different faiths to coexist peacefully and with mutual respect for one another stands in stark contrast to the religious conflict that persists elsewhere around the globe.

Now, that's not to say that religion is without controversy. Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain communities — particularly New York. Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. And the pain and the experience of suffering by those who lost loved ones is just unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. And ground zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

But let me be clear. As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country and that they will not be treated differently by their government is essential to who we are. The writ of the founders must endure.

What he does support is the frickin' First Amendment to our Constitutiion. There is nothing at all controversial about anything that he said in his speech.

Next time it would be better to check the facts before you just blindly accept someone else's characterization. Feel free to point out where in his speech that Obama said that he "supports" the project.

Good luck with that. Here's the link again, just in case you missed it the first time...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_mosque_text_2
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 9:21 am

Thanks, Scorp. I was heading in to make that point, but you did it first and better than I would have.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 9:34 am

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Next time it would be better to check the facts before you just blindly accept someone else's characterization. Feel free to point out where in his speech that Obama said that he "supports" the project.
Technically he does support it by publicly acknowledging the fact that it is legal. A "smart politician" would have waffled and not say anything, especially a politician that is taking hits weekly in the Polls. Not a smart move. But then...
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 10:26 am

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Rauf has not been definitively linked to terrorism.

Which should have been the end of the story, IMHO.

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“I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved [the Sept. 11 attacks], but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened,” said Feisal on CBS 60 Minutes on Sept. 30, 2001. “[W]e have been an accessory to a lot of – of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it – in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.”

That's all it takes to be considered an apologist these days? Merely acknowledging the cause and effect relationship of our foreign policy, the deaths that they've unfortunately incurred and the psychological effects of such on the local populations, and the ill conceived idea of training religious radicals to fight our enemies on the naive hope that they never, ever use what they're taught against us? No cheering for the deaths of Americans? No dancing in the streets? Shouts of "Death to America"? Just a simple "maybe that's not a good idea", and BAM... terrorist sympathizer.

Critics have certainly lowered their standards, haven't they?
While I have no problem with Obama telling an intently listening crowd gathered at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan why did he have such a problem with the National Day of Prayer? Is it okay to have an Islamic function at the White House but not a Christian - remember the issue with the Christmas Tree decorations!
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 11:05 am

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While I have no problem with Obama telling an intently listening crowd gathered at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan why did he have such a problem with the National Day of Prayer?
The National day of prayer has been ruled unconstitutional. However, National Day of Prayer Deemed Unconstitutional, but Obama Will Recognize it Anyway
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Is it okay to have an Islamic function at the White House but not a Christian - remember the issue with the Christmas Tree decorations!
No,as a matter of fact,I don't! You might want to brush up on your allegation @ http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/ornaments.asp before making yourself look even more foolish.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 11:38 am

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You might want to brush up on your allegation before making yourself look even more foolish.
I look foolish? YOU voted for this clown, not I.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 12:01 pm

Damn, I wish Moby would post over here,..
Here's an story he reported, I'm sorry I had to borrow it Moby!

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Obama Apologizes for Stupid Americans’ Opposition to the Ground Zero Mosque
Canada Free Press, by Fred Dardick


It’s amazing that Obama lacked the foresight to see that supporting the construction of a $100 million mosque 2 blocks from Ground Zero, something that 70% of Americans oppose, won’t end well. But I guess when your closest advisors are Valerie Jarrett the slumlord, Robert Gibbs the clown, Rham Emmanuel the communist, and Michelle Obama the millionaire’s wife, equating “religious freedom” with an Islamic cultural center whose purpose is to promote Sharia law is the kind of progressive garbage you get.

For you liberals who somehow got forwarded this column and still don’t know what Sharia law is, allow me to enlighten you. It is the literal interpretation of Islam that leads to the widespread abuse and enslavement of women. It’s also called the reality of “that woman in Iran who’s waiting to see if she’s going to get stoned to death for adultery” rules. Who knows if she really committed adultery? In Islamic societies all a man has to do to give his wife the proverbial dirt nap, is simply claim she did.

Under Sharia law, men are the judge, jury and executioners of women, and Obama apparently thinks Americans are too stupid to know this. While Obama may be able to lawyer his way around the Ground Zero mosque as a “religious tolerance” issue, the rest of us know a load of bs when we see one.

Americans don’t give a hoot what the college professors and attorneys think. Allowing the Islamist barbarians who keep their boots firmly planted on women’s throats and brought the 9/11 massacre to our shores, to build their Arch de’ Terrorism 2 blocks from Ground Zero can kiss our you know what.

Not only do Americans view the structure as anything but a bridge to understanding, Islamists around the world will also rightly perceive the mosque in a very different light than the simple “right to build a place of worship”. They will see it as spitting in the face of evil America and hold it up as a shining example in their enslaved societies to promote hatred of the West. It will become a “stupid Americans let us build a mosque on their graves, so let’s finish the job and kill them all” kind of thing.

Ever wonder how the Islamic Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem got built smack dab on top of the ancient Jewish temple mount? I can promise you, it was no attempt to “build bridges” either that put it there. It was more like “let’s take over the Jews most treasured religious site and plant a mosque on it to show them who’s boss”. That’s why Jews pray at the Western Wall, because if they tried to visit the top of the temple mount, the Arabs would riot.

Every time Obama speaks to Muslims, it’s always how wonderful and understanding Islam is compared to our knuckle dragging Judeo-Christian customs. Rather than apologizing endlessly for America, and in this case our opposition to the Ground Zero mosque, how about being honest for a change, champ?

Over the past 100 years, America has brought peace and prosperity to billions around the world, while at the same time Muslims have been slaughtering and enslaving their neighbors, especially women, wholesale. Talk about the war that never ends. Shia vs. Sunni violence has been going on for centuries and, by the looks of Iraq, will continue for centuries more.


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http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/26570
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 12:10 pm

THAT'S WHAT PIZZES me OFF! Besides his non-swift action on deporting immigrants...and not dropping water down to the flooded plains out west in the USA, sending help to Russia while we are hard up...to help a fire near the nuclear plants...taking a fake trip to the "Gulf" actually swimming in the "bay" hundreds of miles away from the oil spilled beaches...
But endorses the Islam culture as if he needs to apologize for killing over 3,000 people at the World Trade Center....

Why didn't the Islamic idiots take on the NY mayor's offer of relocating them a little further away due to the wishes of the American people, especially NYorkers?

Why is always apologizing? What POTUS is to downgrade America by apologizing to idiots that have been killing even their own wives? It's a damn cult, don't tell me it is a religion.

If it was a religion, they would not be killing and demoralizing their women or children and fighting for hundreds oyears and bring their shanky azzes in here. Are they even legal???????

My gut says there is money coming from Osama or other enemies to make their mark. I don't trust the Islams in Bridgeview. 12 people on SSI and food stamps, and free medical resided in a three bedroom apt. where my friend used to live.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 12:14 pm

Oh, and two brand-new SUVs at the time.

any woman fool enough to wear that garb to please a husband is not following a religion. It's a damn cult.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 12:16 pm

just like the idiots at Waco.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 12:18 pm

Need I to remind you that I typed the Final Call newspaper for Farrkhan and was shocked back then in the '70s that they were going to "wipe the whiteman out".

You know who I am Farrakhan...I think he needs to have his Final Call newspapers looked at by the FEDS dating all the way to the first edition. He's a killer, racists and hate-monger that urged the Muslims to kill.

who supports that mansion he lives in? Guess what...he's tax exempt...but his inside dealings are criminal.

He preaches to his followers much like that stupid idiot we can never find. I'll bet you an arm he's funneling money to hide the Osama Bin Losse-Head. I'll swear he's funneling money if only the FEDS would look into it. I'm going away for awhile - no computer access...but will contact the FEDS when I get back to check him out. I have proof I carried aound for 3 decades.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/15/2010, 5:28 pm

BigWhiteGuy wrote:
While I have no problem with Obama telling an intently listening crowd gathered at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan why did he have such a problem with the National Day of Prayer? Is it okay to have an Islamic function at the White House but not a Christian - remember the issue with the Christmas Tree decorations!

Artie nailed it. One's unconstitutional, the other isn't. And the last was nothing more than another paranoid fantasy of conservatives/Republicans.

Not even points for effort.

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I look foolish?

Government conspiracies? Arguments that can't past a snopes test? Posts that read like nothing more than usual partisan hypocrisy: "it's bad 'cause a Democrat is doin' it now!! (but was fine when a conservative/Republican was/is!)"? At best, you're simply not making your case. At worst...

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YOU voted for this clown, not I.

Because our alternative was Sarah f**king Palin. Not our fault the only alternative offered was an old man with a poor grasp on science and a hick creationist. Can't say our Salvation lied with them, either.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/16/2010, 9:24 am



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Usually Republicans are forthright in defending the Constitution. And here we are, reinforcing al Qaeda’s message that we’re at war with Muslims.

It's always refreshing to hear conservatives that don't succumb to the constant and baseless fearmongering of the party line. If more of them were like this, they'd get more of my votes.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/16/2010, 11:42 am

BigWhiteGuy wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
Next time it would be better to check the facts before you just blindly accept someone else's characterization. Feel free to point out where in his speech that Obama said that he "supports" the project.
Technically he does support it by publicly acknowledging the fact that it is legal. A "smart politician" would have waffled and not say anything, especially a politician that is taking hits weekly in the Polls. Not a smart move. But then...

The President takes an oath to protect and defend our Constitutional way of life. There should be no "waffling" for crass political ends. Obama was absolutely right to remind people that the rights enshrined in our Constitution are not relative... they are absolute.

Your argument that "acknowledging the fact that it is legal" means that "technically" he supports the location of the cultural center is nothing more than partisan bullshit. There is nothing "smart" about refusing to affirm our Constitutional rights.


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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/16/2010, 10:51 pm

Found a great piece in Salon about how this "issue" has evolved over time... it even includes a mostly positive video segment on the subject from the O'Reilly Factor (guest hosted by Laura Ingraham) from December 2009. This is well worth reading...

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/18/2010, 9:51 am

That's a scary timeline. It's still frightening how much power the conservative media has on public opinion, especially when it comes to accuracy or validity. That first paragraph exposes the whole thing as the same 'old partisan hackery that it is:

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A group of progressive Muslim-Americans plans to build an Islamic community center two and a half blocks from ground zero in lower Manhattan. They have had a mosque in the same neighborhood for many years. There's another mosque two blocks away from the site. City officials support the project. Muslims have been praying at the Pentagon, the other building hit on Sept. 11, for many years.

In short, there is no good reason that the Cordoba House project should have been a major national news story, let alone controversy. And yet it has become just that, dominating the political conversation for weeks and prompting such a backlash that, according to a new poll, nearly 7 in 10 Americans now say they oppose the project. How did the Cordoba House become so toxic, so fast?

I'm reminded of the "Obama hates the troops" fiasco... What was fine 6 months ago is all of a sudden the latest move in the Great Commie Takeover just 'cause the conservative media dictates it so. No mention at all of the current Muslim living in the area... but a new cultural center? "OH NOES!! TEH MUZLIMS ARE COMIN!" And unsurprisingly, they have to rally behind yet another conspiracy nutbag to do it. Classy!

It's good to see some people getting it, thought. Via Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston, speaking of a recent Fox News interview:

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During the interview she also asked me about the plan to build a mosque in New York, very close to Ground Zero.

I told her it is a sign of the value we have for freedom in this country, and for religious freedom in particular. We certainly do not want to support groups that promote terrorism, but there are many American citizens who are Muslim, and they have a right to practice their faith. Having a mosque near the site of the attack can be a very important symbol of how much we value religious freedom in this country.

I compared the situation to a historical situation in Ireland: During the Easter Revolution the Irish were very careful to protect the rights of the Protestants in the Free State. They did not take back their cathedral or close their churches. Instead, they wanted people to see they believed in freedom of religion.

Have you seen any of the Daily Show segments on this? Since the whole thing doesn't have a leg to stand on, they've been all over it. Hilarious! I'll have to post some of their clips later on.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/18/2010, 8:54 pm

"Turd Blossom lived up to his name and took it up a notch last night..
Rove Equates Building Of A Mosque Near Ground Zero With A Neo-Nazi Meeting At A Jewish Hotel
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ROVE: The vast majority of the American people believe there is freedom
of religion in our Constitution and that right of freedom of expression
would be best exercised by not building it here. Look, in that same
first amendment there’s a right to freedom of speech. Who believes that skinheads should show up at a Black sorority convention and scream bigoted remarks? Who believes there’s a right of freedom of assembly. Who believes Neo-Nazis should show up at the B’nai B’rith hotel and have their meeting in the next meeting room? There are rights everyone has that we think it’d be prudent to not exercise them at certain times.

While most Americans are worried about jobs and the economy,these clowns continue to go full steam ahead on this nonsense.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/19/2010, 8:10 am

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Politics/islamic-center-backers-rule-taking-funds-saudi-arabia/story?id=11429998

Islamic Center Backers Won't Rule Out Taking Funds from Saudi Arabia, Iran
'Ground Zero Mosque' Developers in Talks With NY Gov. Paterson

312 comments By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
Aug. 18, 2010
The developers behind the Islamic center planned for a site near Ground Zero won't rule out accepting financing from the Mideast -- including from Saudi Arabia and Iran -- as they begin searching for $100 million needed to build the project.

The religious organization and the development company behind the center declined to say how much of the $100 million needed to build the facility has already been raised.

"We are in the planning stages," said Oz Sultan, spokesman for the center now called Park51. "We have just started the process of fundraising planning."

Sultan said it would take three to six months to establish a plan on how to raise the needed capital. He said any fundraising campaign would begin domestically, but he would not comment on whether it would extend overseas or to foreign governments.

We'll look at all available options within the United States to start. We're hoping to fund this predominately from domestic donors. That can be everything from institutions all the way down to personal [contributors,]" said Sultan.

When asked if they would then turn to foreign donors, Sultan replied, "I can't comment on that."

Pressed on whether the developers were willilng rule out accepting donations from the governments of Saudi Arabia or Iran, he repeated, "I can't comment on that."

The center, in the works for over a year, has become a nationwide controversy as the anniversary of 9/11 approaches. Critics charge that having what they call a mosque so close what they consider hallowed ground is insensitive and an insult to the victims' families, especially since the attack was perpetrated in the name of Islam.

Islamic Center Backers Won't Rule Out Taking Funds from Saudi Arabia, Iran
'Ground Zero Mosque' Developers in Talks With NY Gov. Paterson

312 comments By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
Aug. 18, 2010
PrintRSSFont Size: Share:EmailTwitterFacebookMoreFarkTechnoratiGoogleLiveMy SpaceNewsvineRedditDeliciousMixxYahooThe developers behind the Islamic center planned for a site near Ground Zero won't rule out accepting financing from the Mideast -- including from Saudi Arabia and Iran -- as they begin searching for $100 million needed to build the project.

The religious organization and the development company behind the center declined to say how much of the $100 million needed to build the facility has already been raised.

"We are in the planning stages," said Oz Sultan, spokesman for the center now called Park51. "We have just started the process of fundraising planning."

Sultan said it would take three to six months to establish a plan on how to raise the needed capital. He said any fundraising campaign would begin domestically, but he would not comment on whether it would extend overseas or to foreign governments.

Fifteen of the 19 terrorists were Saudi Arabian and funding from that country could further anger those already opposed to the mosque. Many mosques in the U.S. have been funded in part with Saudi money.

Iran has been designated a sponsor of terrorism by the U.S. government.



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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/19/2010, 10:02 am

Another perspective:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Giuliani-on-Mosque-This-Project-Is-Divisive--101062444.html

Giuliani on Mosque: "This Project Is Divisive"
Former mayor acknowledges developers have "right" to build, but defers to question, "should they?"
By JENNIFER MILLMAN
Updated 10:10 AM EDT, Thu, Aug 19, 2010



Getty Images for Time Inc The former mayor who helped lead the city through the tragic aftermath of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, came out in opposition of building a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero.

"This project is divisive," Rudy Giuliani said on the "Today" show this morning as he commented for the first time on the debate that has swept the nation. "This project is creating tremendous pain for people who've already made the ultimate sacrifice. All you're doing is creating more division, more anger, more hatred."

NBC's Matt Lauer reminded Giuliani of comments he made roughly 14 months after 9/11 in which he evoked freedom of religion as one of America's founding principles, and asked how Giuliani reconciles his opposition to the mosque with his espousal of the idea that "no one's going to interfere with you" because of that principle.

The one-time presidential candidate quickly acknowledged the developers have a constitutional right to build the mosque but deferred to the question, "Should they build it?"

"The question here is of sensitivity, of people's feelings, and are you really what you pretend to be," Giuliani said. "If you want to claim to be the healer, then you're not on the side of the person who's pushing those divisive issues.

"I was the first person on Sept. 11 to step forward in the heat of battle and say, 'No group blame, do not blame Arabs, it's a small group.' But the reality is that, right now, if you are a healer you do not go through with this project. If you're a warrior, you do."

Giuliani also said he agreed with Gov. David Paterson, who proposed the mosque be built on a location not associated with the same sensitivities as the land near Ground Zero.

Paterson last week offered to help the mosque developers find a new spot, perhaps on state land. When the developers shot down that idea, the governor said he would at least like to have a meeting with them to discuss it. That meeting has yet to be scheduled, and Paterson told NBCNewYork on Wednesday that there were no concrete plans to hold it at all.

"That would be their choice," Paterson said. "I'm making myself available. It's up to them."

Mayor Michael Bloomberg has remained a vociferous supporter of building the mosque two blocks from Ground Zero. Bloomberg's office didn't immediately respond to an e-mail inquiry seeking a response to Giuliani's comments this morning.

Weighing in for the first time yesterday, Archbishop Timothy Dolan agreed with Paterson that the mosque should be built elsewhere out of respect for individuals' "sensititivites." Dolan evoked Pope John Paul II's intervention when a convent was set to be built near Auschwitz as an example of how a solution could be found. Giuliani agreed with that approach.

The issue of the mosque -- whether and where it should be built -- continues to play out on the local and national political stage. The Conservative Party of New York released an ad urging Con Ed to refuse to sell the second building, which they own, to the Cordoba Initiative. That building would need to be demolished, according to the developers' plans for the mosque.

Meanwhile, conservative fire brand Sarah Palin tweeted a link to another ad using 9/11 family members and survivors to protest the site.

Giuliani also played to the sentiments of 9/11 families.

"I know some people who are crying over this," he said.

President Obama set off a national firestorm last week when he voiced his support for the "right" to build the mosque. Asked Wednesday if he regretted upholding the mosque’s right to be built, the President said he had "no regrets."
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   8/21/2010, 12:30 pm

The Muslim people should understand we the majority of people, plus the families of 9/11 do not want you to build a Mosque near ground zero...........period. How many news articles, how many polls, how many political Republicans and Democrats know for sure, that the people of the United States to not want the Mosque built near ground zero. This is not political, it's now racist, it's not intolerance, it's the power of the people collectively saying no to building a Mosque near ground zero. There are many reason's why the majority of people don't want it there, so Muslim's hear the majority, and select a different place. That's all we as a majority ask of you. We don't want to disable you to not pray or worship, we just want you to move your idea elsewhere. See isn't that simple.
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