GOP Stimulus Myths

I noticed tonight that up and coming wingnut,Bobby Jindal,wasted no time in trying to mislead people tonight. He made sure he mentioned "$8 billion for high-speed rail projects, such as a 'magnetic levitation' line from Las Vegas to Disneyland" even though that claim has been proven false. I expect we'll hear more in the coming days.....

GOP Stimulus Myths
February 24, 2009
Many claims of Democrats slipping in earmarks for frivolous projects aren't true.
Summary
Do some of the Republican claims you've heard about the stimulus bill sound too awful to be true? We find a few that are wildly exaggerated or downright false.

* It's not true that the bill contains spending for "golf carts." It has $300 million to buy fuel-efficient vehicles, some of which may be electric cart-like utility vehicles like those already in use on military bases and at other government facilities.

* Money claimed to be for "remodeled federal offices" is mostly designated for upgrading buildings to "green" status through such things as thicker insulation and highly efficient lighting, not new drapes or paneling.

* A widely repeated claim that $8 billion is set aside for a "levitating train" to Disneyland is untrue. That total is for unspecified high-speed rail projects, and some of it may or may not end up going to a proposed 300-mph "maglev" train connecting Anaheim, Calif., with Las Vegas.

* There's no money in the bill specified for butterfly parks, Frisbee golf courses or water slides, despite a GOP congressman's claim that the bill "will fund" those projects. He culled those silly-sounding items from a list of 18,750 city projects that the U.S. Conference of Mayors cobbled together as examples of "shovel-ready" projects.

Don't look to us to defend any particular item in the bill, or to criticize it. We will, however, call out politicians for delivering trumped-up descriptions of the bill's contents.
http://www.factcheck.org/politics/gop_stimulus_myths.html

I noticed tonight that up and coming wingnut,Bobby Jindal,wasted no time in trying to mislead people tonight.

After about an hour of Obama's misleadings, misdirections, and outright lies just about any Republican would have been a refreshing change of pace.

The only real question I have is just how long will it take for mainstream America to get wise to what's, what and to rise up in opposition in mass numbers.

Mirage wrote:

The only real question I have is just how long will it take for mainstream America to get wise to what's, what and to rise up in opposition in mass numbers.

It already took place,Mirage. It happened on November 4th,2008

There's so much wrong with that statement!

For starters I don't think everyone who voted for Obama knew they were voting for a socialist America.

Hey, speaking of racking up massive government debt you gotta love this little ditty:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090217/pl_politico/18924

MS freetime will be so very pleased!

Mirage wrote:

There's so much wrong with that statement!

For starters I don't think everyone who voted for Obama knew they were voting for a socialist America.

Hey, speaking of racking up massive government debt you gotta love this little ditty:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090217/pl_politico/18924

MS freetime will be so very pleased!

No, the voters chose President Obama because he was the best choice to begin to lead our country out of this sorry mess.

Are you against investing in high speed rail? Why?

BTW - Who the hell is freetime?

freetime is 'freetime',a disgruntled citizen of Hammond that is dead set against progress for that city.

Artie60438 wrote:

freetime is 'freetime',a disgruntled citizen of Hammond that is dead set against progress for that city.

OK, thanks. Seems pretty inappropriate for a post on the National Forum, and I sure don't see what it has to do with the topic.

Scorpion wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

freetime is 'freetime',a disgruntled citizen of Hammond that is dead set against progress for that city.

OK, thanks. Seems pretty inappropriate for a post on the National Forum, and I sure don't see what it has to do with the topic.

It was just a sarcastic remark tacked on at the end of his post for folks familiar with her agenda. I don't think it was meant to take the subject off topic.

If you read the link it discusses more Federal money going to rail in the Chicago area and other places. And NWI is having funding issues for it's new commuter rail proposal. So I think it is totally within context to mention it on a national topic since the funding is not only for local projects.

In the particular case of Hammond's participation MS freetime opposes the rail line more on personal reasons (which is odd since she also demands tax money for bus service) but many of us oppose it because it is too expensive at a time when we can't really even afford it, there's no consumer desire for it, and we couldn't even afford to run it even if it were to be built. It's a boondoggle! Which was my real point. And then there's the proposed rail line from Disney to the nearest Nevada casino too.

But Artie's right that I was also being sarcastic.

So yes I oppose spending Federal money on commuter rail at this time. I oppose spending FEDERAL money involuntarily confiscated from wage earners on a whole lot of things.

Artie60438 wrote:

Scorpion wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

freetime is 'freetime',a disgruntled citizen of Hammond that is dead set against progress for that city.

OK, thanks. Seems pretty inappropriate for a post on the National Forum, and I sure don't see what it has to do with the topic.

It was just a sarcastic remark tacked on at the end of his post for folks familiar with her agenda. I don't think it was meant to take the subject off topic.

I thought "real names" aren't suppose to be used on this board- oh yeah- Ms. Free isn't allowed to be part of this community.. what'ev...

Artie60438 wrote:

Scorpion wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

freetime is 'freetime',a disgruntled citizen of Hammond that is dead set against progress for that city.

OK, thanks. Seems pretty inappropriate for a post on the National Forum, and I sure don't see what it has to do with the topic.

It was just a sarcastic remark tacked on at the end of his post for folks familiar with her agenda. I don't think it was meant to take the subject off topic.

I see. So you are saying that this a reference to a private citizen, who isn't even a public figure? If so, that makes it even more inappropriate.

Mirage wrote:

So yes I oppose spending Federal money on commuter rail at this time. I oppose spending FEDERAL money involuntarily confiscated from wage earners on a whole lot of things.

We've spent close to a trillion and counting on Iraq. Yet I've never heard a frickin' peep out of you about it.

Yeah, this is a real bad time to invest in commuter rail. When's a good time for ya? When oil is at 5 bucks a gallon?

The thing that you and a lot of others on this forum don't seem to get is that, regardless of our economic problems, we need to invest in infrastructure here at home.

I really don't konw what the answer is, I sure as hell wish I did. All I can say, is for the Republicans bitchin and moanin, WHERE'S THE BEEF? If someone has a better idea, put it on the table, don't be critical unless you have a better idea. I have not heard one damn thing from the republicans saying do this instead. In fact they are just saying it is wrong. Well to make a long story short, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Come up with a plan or fall in line, stop bitchin, and do something. If they have a better plan I would love to hear it, but so far, they are doing exactly what they accuse Obama of doing. All talk and no substance.

Face wrote:

I really don't konw what the answer is, I sure as hell wish I did. All I can say, is for the Republicans bitchin and moanin, WHERE'S THE BEEF? If someone has a better idea, put it on the table, don't be critical unless you have a better idea. I have not heard one damn thing from the republicans saying do this instead. In fact they are just saying it is wrong. Well to make a long story short, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Come up with a plan or fall in line, stop bitchin, and do something. If they have a better plan I would love to hear it, but so far, they are doing exactly what they accuse Obama of doing. All talk and no substance.

I couldn't have said it better, Face. Good for you.

Face wrote:

I really don't konw what the answer is, I sure as hell wish I did. All I can say, is for the Republicans bitchin and moanin, WHERE'S THE BEEF? If someone has a better idea, put it on the table, don't be critical unless you have a better idea. I have not heard one damn thing from the republicans saying do this instead. In fact they are just saying it is wrong. Well to make a long story short, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Come up with a plan or fall in line, stop bitchin, and do something. If they have a better plan I would love to hear it, but so far, they are doing exactly what they accuse Obama of doing. All talk and no substance.

While I don't disagree with what you said, I don't think anything the R's come up with will be taken seriously by the D's in leadership. I don't think Reid and Pelosi are partisan enough to do anything the R's would suggest. But I agree, the R's, at the very least, need to come up with some ideas... our g'ment is bs and I'm sick of em all.

Face wrote:

I really don't konw what the answer is, I sure as hell wish I did. All I can say, is for the Republicans bitchin and moanin, WHERE'S THE BEEF? If someone has a better idea, put it on the table, don't be critical unless you have a better idea. I have not heard one damn thing from the republicans saying do this instead. In fact they are just saying it is wrong. Well to make a long story short, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Come up with a plan or fall in line, stop bitchin, and do something. If they have a better plan I would love to hear it, but so far, they are doing exactly what they accuse Obama of doing. All talk and no substance.

Actually Face the republicans do have a "plan"- more tax cuts & less regulation.
That's all they ever bitch about, it's like a fricken' broken record.
Turn on "talk radio" or Fixed News & this is all you hear:

"Governmant too big"
"More tax cuts"
"Democrat Socialists"
"Government bad"
"More tax cuts"
"Democrat Socialists"
"Government spend too much"
"More tax cuts"
"Democrat Socialists"
"Governmant too big"
"More tax cuts"

No edge, that is not a plan at all. They need to come up with a plan with those cuts, etc... and let us know how it will work.

Yes, I know that's not a plan.

My point is, that's ALL the republicans come up with.

We've had 8 years of their crap which consisted of nothing more than tax breaks that benefited the top 2%.

Face wrote:

No edge, that is not a plan at all. They need to come up with a plan with those cuts, etc... and let us know how it will work.

The republicans haven't had a plan for the past 8 years, why would anyone expect them to have one now? Any plans they have had have gotten us to where we are now.

Ohhmama wrote:

Face wrote:

I really don't konw what the answer is, I sure as hell wish I did. All I can say, is for the Republicans bitchin and moanin, WHERE'S THE BEEF? If someone has a better idea, put it on the table, don't be critical unless you have a better idea. I have not heard one damn thing from the republicans saying do this instead. In fact they are just saying it is wrong. Well to make a long story short, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Come up with a plan or fall in line, stop bitchin, and do something. If they have a better plan I would love to hear it, but so far, they are doing exactly what they accuse Obama of doing. All talk and no substance.

While I don't disagree with what you said, I don't think anything the R's come up with will be taken seriously by the D's in leadership. I don't think Reid and Pelosi are partisan enough to do anything the R's would suggest. But I agree, the R's, at the very least, need to come up with some ideas... our g'ment is bs and I'm sick of em all.

Excellent point,Face.

Mama,Why would anyone take the Repubs seriously when they still have the exact same same leaders in Congress that has led them to destruction the last 2 elections?

Can you or anyone else here give me a logical answer as to why Mitch McConnel and John Boehner are still in GOP leadership positions? Their constant pandering to the 30% or less of voters that thought Bush was a good POTUS isn't going to help them one bit.

Artie60438 wrote:

Ohhmama wrote:

Face wrote:

I really don't konw what the answer is, I sure as hell wish I did. All I can say, is for the Republicans bitchin and moanin, WHERE'S THE BEEF? If someone has a better idea, put it on the table, don't be critical unless you have a better idea. I have not heard one damn thing from the republicans saying do this instead. In fact they are just saying it is wrong. Well to make a long story short, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Come up with a plan or fall in line, stop bitchin, and do something. If they have a better plan I would love to hear it, but so far, they are doing exactly what they accuse Obama of doing. All talk and no substance.

While I don't disagree with what you said, I don't think anything the R's come up with will be taken seriously by the D's in leadership. I don't think Reid and Pelosi are partisan enough to do anything the R's would suggest. But I agree, the R's, at the very least, need to come up with some ideas... our g'ment is bs and I'm sick of em all.

Excellent point,Face.

Mama,Why would anyone take the Repubs seriously when they still have the exact same same leaders in Congress that has led them to destruction the last 2 elections?

Can you or anyone else here give me a logical answer as to why Mitch McConnel and John Boehner are still in GOP leadership positions? Their constant pandering to the 30% or less of voters that thought Bush was a good POTUS isn't going to help them one bit.

You want to just blame the R's- sorry, no, it's both parties.
By the same token, why should anyone take the D's seriously when the economy has tanked since they took over the leadership position in Congress?? I'm sorry, but that just can't be overlooked.

As for why R's still have same leadership? I dunno- I've already given my opinion that there should be TLC in another thread. When you have a bunch of people in the same position for decades, not much for us mere citizens is going to get done, IMO. I'd have to say send a letter to the R party, see if they respond. I'm of the opinion that the leaders of both parties suck.

Ohhmama wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Mama,Why would anyone take the Repubs seriously when they still have the exact same same leaders in Congress that has led them to destruction the last 2 elections?

Can you or anyone else here give me a logical answer as to why Mitch McConnel and John Boehner are still in GOP leadership positions? Their constant pandering to the 30% or less of voters that thought Bush was a good POTUS isn't going to help them one bit.

You want to just blame the R's- sorry, no, it's both parties.
By the same token, why should anyone take the D's seriously when the economy has tanked since they took over the leadership position in Congress?? I'm sorry, but that just can't be overlooked.

Please point out exactly what you allege that the Democrats did in the last 2 years with their 1 seat majority in the Senate that led to our current financial crisis.

Artie60438 wrote:

Please point out exactly what you allege that the Democrats did in the last 2 years with their 1 seat majority in the Senate that led to our current financial crisis.

They did absolutly nothing, and that is where my anger lies. Just because they weren't in the White House, they still had an obligation, and they did nothing. This whole thing is not a Dem/Rep issue, this issue is going to shape life as we know it from here out. Obama is right when he said, we need to stop bickering on the minor details and do what they were elected to do.

Face wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Please point out exactly what you allege that the Democrats did in the last 2 years with their 1 seat majority in the Senate that led to our current financial crisis.

They did absolutly nothing, and that is where my anger lies. Just because they weren't in the White House, they still had an obligation, and they did nothing. This whole thing is not a Dem/Rep issue, this issue is going to shape life as we know it from here out. Obama is right when he said, we need to stop bickering on the minor details and do what they were elected to do.

Face,What were they supposed to do with the R's blocking everything in sight and Bush finding his long lost veto pen in Jan 2007?

Here is my plan.

Let the auto industry die. If they can't pay their debts, oh well, its their own fault, let them fail

Same with the banks

Raise taxeson anyone making over $150,000 yr

Congress should take a 20% paycut to prove they are serious about saving this country money, same with the President and Vice President