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UrRight



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PostSubject: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/24/2010, 4:16 pm

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ajwSWE6H1kHM

A portion of the article..after you read it, I need an answer: if the states are not getting Federal money to implement this "Health Reform" and are in dire straits right now, not being able to pay for existing Medicaid bills...how in the heck are they going to add more on to the list, without Federal money?

I think I saw that Gov. Mitch put a hold on the medical for Hosier Health Care, whatever it is called. My question is, this won't take in effect until 2014, but if states are finacially strapped, not paying the bills, how will this work in the future? I just don't get it.

One thing I noticed was, they imposed regulation on the credit card industry which didn't do any justice, because there was a grace period...instead of paying what you were used to paying to down the debt, they tripled the interest rate before the law became effective.

Instead of imposing the passage of laws now, they will make it effective in 2014...rob my parents' of their savings...being that my dad has or had cancer...taking away from Medicare...he does have other insurance, savings that will be taxed...this is the thanks they give to an 85 year old Marine who served his country?

I guess my whole point is, it doesn't matter for the majority that need changes right now, but the states can't afford or mismanage money, or take in illegals, to keep the schools open; can't pay their bills for education.

Where are they going to get the money for the millions to add to Medicaid when they can't even pay medicaid or schools today?

I'm perplexed.

I would have deported the immigrants that drain our country, then focus on health reform; there is no free ride, no matter where you look. Everyone is on the hook except the politicians that refuse to take a break in their pay.

Have parties celebrating something every week. And notice how silent the FLOTUS is lately?

Seems she has no job to promote anything in comparison to past First Ladies.

I just want to know how they plan on paying for millions to be added to Medicaid when each and every state can't even pay past bills.

Anyone - can you explain to me?

Here is a portion of that article, mid-way...for the full story, click on the link above.
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States faced with unprecedented declines in tax collections are cutting benefits and payments to hospitals and doctors in Medicaid, the health program for the poor paid jointly by state and U.S. governments. The costs to hire staff and plan for the average 25 percent increase in Medicaid rolls may swamp budgets, said Toby Douglas, who manages the Medicaid program for California, which hasn’t joined the lawsuits.

“The states are coming through the worst fiscal period in the history of record keeping,” said Vernon Smith, a former Medicaid director for Michigan and now a principal at the research and consulting firm Health Management Associates in Lansing, Michigan. “Medicaid is the most significant, most visible and most costly part of this expansion and states fully expect to see increases in their spending.”

California’s Deficit

For California, with a $20 billion budget deficit, the extra load will cost at least an additional $2 billion to $3 billion annually, said Douglas, chief deputy director for California’s health care programs. He said the overhaul is currently projected to add 1.6 million people to the 7 million enrolled in his state’s program.

“We face enormous challenges just sustaining our existing program,” said Douglas in a March 18 telephone interview. “I just don’t see states having the capacity to move forward on these changes in this environment.”
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/24/2010, 5:29 pm

Com plain about Mitch now tweaking a program that won't be affected until 4 years from now.
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/24/2010, 8:06 pm

I'm a bit pressed for time, but if you want to know how the Health Reform Bill deals with the Medicaid situation, then take a few minutes to read this...

McCollum's Medicaid myths: Under new law, Florida could come out ahead.

I'll have more to say when I get some time, but this article explains things pretty well. Basically, the GOP is continuing the misinformation campaign. It's no wonder that the average American doesn't know what the hell is going on. But the American people will eventually realize the the Republicans have been lying to them all along.
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/24/2010, 10:18 pm

Scorpion wrote:
But the American people will eventually realize the the Republicans have been lying to them all along.

Ultimately losing what little credibility they have left. They're in meltdown mode... Vandalism, death threats (well, from their out of control teabaggers anyway), Palin threatening to actually split the party further by creating a third (Go for it! You can have the 9/11 twoofers, creationists, and teabaggers), and now it looks like they are deliberately stalling Congress for no apparent reason.

What sore losers...
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/24/2010, 11:16 pm

Well this certainly ought to lend credibilty to these lawsuits Rolling Eyes
Birther Orly Taitz joins in on the health care lawsuits challenging reform
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The state attorneys general now seem to have some unwelcome company in their lawsuit challenging reform.The "birther queen" Orly Taitz has also filed suit in federal court challenging the constitutionality of reform.
Taitz complaint alleges the health care legislation exceeds the commerce clause authority in the Constitutional and also keeps her from practicing dentistry (Taitz is a strange combination of dentist and lawyer).
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/25/2010, 10:50 am

KarenT wrote:
Com plain about Mitch now tweaking a program that won't be affected until 4 years from now.

Karen, I think it was just a few days ago I read in P-T or NWI that Mitch put a "halt" on the low income family insurance. Is that what you are speaking of?

I saw in the news that so many are laying off, states can't pay for education, and on and on it goes.

Caterpillar said the new requirments for insurnace will cost them (correct me if I am wrong), 10 million. I know many people who worked there for years got layed off. I am scared they will just go overseas. Less and less employers....of huge companies will just leave. Then what?

The way I see the root of the problem is various things: pensions, too many layers of gov't, people working for state/municiples not having to pay into their insurance, and the illegals will still get medical help, and the Amish, if they need it.

Churches don't pay property taxes, and if they did, it would help, if they really cared. What is your opinion, Karen, and boys?

The VA is cutting funds...schools in IL are calling for a 4 day week...we're going to hell before this even takes place.

The credit industry tweeked their agreements shortly before the law took place, like I said. If states have an option to not do this, many people will move out of those states.
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/25/2010, 2:46 pm

Yes, Mitch won't let anyone else enroll in the program. What are they supposed to do for the four years it takes to get this federal thing going?
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/25/2010, 5:02 pm

KarenT wrote:
Yes, Mitch won't let anyone else enroll in the program. What are they supposed to do for the four years it takes to get this federal thing going?

Karen,They'll be told to go to the ER,the most costly way to dispense treatment as if that's a substitute for regular medical care. They also will not be followed up on for ongoing treatment or preventive care of the illness or injury that brought them to the ER. Meanwhile,they'll get stuck with a huge bill,a minimum of a thousand dollars that they won't be able to pay. Eventually the bill will be turned over to a collection agency and it will adversely affect their credit.

Since the hospital won't be getting paid,the cost will be passed on to you,me,and everyone else through higher insurance premiums as a result of the hospital having to charge,for example,$20.00 for an aspirin to make up their costs

Mission Accomplished,Mitch Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/25/2010, 5:07 pm

Compassionate conservatism.
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/26/2010, 2:14 am

KarenT wrote:
Compassionate conservatism.

It's that "I've got mine so F*^& You" attitude.

I just love this newly found fake conservative compassion towards medicare too.
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/26/2010, 9:07 am

paul87920 wrote:

I just love this newly found fake conservative compassion towards medicare too.

Sound familiar?
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Many conservatives strongly opposed the enactment of Medicare, warning that a government-run program would lead to socialism in America:

* Ronald Reagan, as part of Operation Coffee Cup in 1961, stated that: “[I]f you don’t [stop Medicare] and I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.”[65]

* George H. W. Bush, while a candidate for the US Senate in 1964, described Medicare as “socialized medicine.”[66]

* Barry Goldwater in 1964: “Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink.”[67]

* In 1995 Bob Dole stated that he was one of 12 House members who voted against creating Medicare in 1965. “I was there, fighting the fight, voting against Medicare ... because we knew it wouldn’t work in 1965.” [68
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_%28United_States%29#Claims_of_socialism
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/26/2010, 12:32 pm

I think it was Morning Joe...some expert showed all the demos and repos that voted NO on the stimulous for states, actually turned around and wrote emails/letters asking for their share anyway. and got it. Pork projects for ugrading parks, etc.

They also revealed the politicians making 6, 7 figures, staffing 6 figures. Wouldn't it be nice to make them live a week in the middle/lower class' shoes.

There's a blog going around urging everyone to not pay their taxes, don't pay anything...(yahoo news).

They suggested everyone in the US vote "non of the above).
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PostSubject: Re: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets   3/26/2010, 12:47 pm

UrRight wrote:
I think it was Morning Joe...some expert showed all the demos and repos that voted NO on the stimulous for states, actually turned around and wrote emails/letters asking for their share anyway. and got it. Pork projects for ugrading parks, etc.

That's an old story and Obama has called them out on it several times. Watch for them to do the same thing with health care. In fact,it's already happening...Grassley: Look How Great This Health Care Bill Is
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