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Heretic wrote:: Why such outrage over these stories and not any of the others?

Outrage?
No, I merely pointed out the stories.
But saying that I'm outraged?
Have you been hanging out with Artie, or something?

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Scorpion wrote:

Just thought it was time to "bump" this. I'm still waiting for some answers from Sparks. I realize that we are a "smaller audience," but I still think I deserve a frickin' answer. I don't see how he thinks he can gain any credibility with a "larger audience" if he can't answer a simple question. "Thanks for reading" isn't going to cut it.

Scorpion wrote:

sparks wrote:: Thanks for reading my article,Scorpion. The people who are subject to the forfeiture program have all
been a defendant in a criminal proceeding, a mental health hearing or have received a domestic violence restraining order.
As part of the hearing, they are told their legal options. They can sell the weapons to licensed gun dealer or surrender them.
This program targets prohibited people who have not complied with their court order.

Where are you getting your information from? I looked around a bit and I can't find anything that supports your contention about a "hearing" where people are advised about their legal "options."

In this article...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-12/california-seizes-guns-as-owners-lose-right-to-bear-arms.html

....it specifically states that names are added to the "list" on a daily basis, as part of a data processing update.

Quote :: The no-gun list is compiled by cross-referencing files on almost 1 million handgun and assault-weapon owners with databases of new criminal records and involuntary mental-health commitments. About 15 to 20 names are added each day, according to the attorney general’s office.

I followed a link in the story to a copy of the law...

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12010.php

And I don't see any reference to a "hearing" of any kind. Do you?

If you have some additional info that backs up your claim, please post it.

sparks wrote:: I can't say I have much sympathy for criminals not receiving compensation for their weapons. How often do victims of crimes receive compensation for the physical harm criminals cause?

I think it goes without saying that violent felons shouldn't be able to possess weapons.

It's the rest of this law that troubles me. Like I said, if you have some additional information about it, I'd sure like to see it.

Thanks!

I did respond on 3/29, you must have missed it.
-I should have taken the time to write a better response. The state of California doesn't hold a hearing for gun forfeitures. In cases of domestic violence,which is what I was referring to when I said hearing, a hearing is held and an order of protection or temporary restraining order may be issued. Upon being served with the order, defendants have 24 hours to surrender their weapons to law enforcement or sell them to a FFL dealer. Within 48 hours, they must present proof of that surrender or sale to the court.
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf?
Requires a person subject to a temporary restraining order to surrender his or her firearm(s) within 24 hours of being served with the order or injunction without regard to whether the person appeared in court at the time the order was issued (Civil Code § 527.9).
C Requires a person subject to a temporary restraining order to present a receipt to the court acknowledging the surrender of his or her firearms within 48 hours after receipt of the temporary restraining order or injunction
There are also portions of California gun law that talk about surrenders.The law enforcement agency does have the right to charge storage fees for keeping the weapons in cases where they will be returned to the owners.

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Yeah, I did miss your reply on 3/29. Sorry about that. (it would have been nice if someone had
pointed that out to me.) In any case, thanks for the link. I'll take a closer look at the law and comment when I get a chance.

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happy jack wrote:

Heretic wrote:: Why such outrage over these stories and not any of the others?

Outrage?
No, I merely pointed out the stories.
But saying that I'm outraged?
Have you been hanging out with Artie, or something?

So you're not outraged that the media is deliberately falsifying news stories in an incomprehensible attempt to strip the right to bear arms from every adult in this country as part of a massive conspiracy for reasons completely unknown and that no one but you seems to aware? How could you not be outraged?

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Heretic wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Heretic wrote:: Why such outrage over these stories and not any of the others?

Outrage?
No, I merely pointed out the stories.
But saying that I'm outraged?
Have you been hanging out with Artie, or something?

So you're not outraged that the media is deliberately falsifying news stories in an incomprehensible attempt to strip the right to bear arms from every adult in this country as part of a massive conspiracy for reasons completely unknown and that no one but you seems to aware? How could you not be outraged?

I’m not “outraged” because being in a state of perpetual outrage is not good for one’s blood pressure nor one’s general physical and mental well-being, and me being “outraged” in this case would not change a thing. The best I can do is to point these things out and hope that not everyone is as gullible as your average New York Times or Newsweek subscriber or your average MSNBC viewer.

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You could, I don't know... try thinking it through. Then you'd realize how laughably silly such a conspiracy is, especially one that's even more incoherent than Maxx's 9/11, and not have to worry about your heart.

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Heretic wrote:: You could, I don't know... try thinking it through. Then you'd realize how laughably silly such a conspiracy is, especially one that's even more incoherent than Maxx's 9/11, and not have to worry about your heart.

I'm not worried about my heart, because I'm not "outraged".
Haven't you been paying attention?

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...and you're

Quote :: not "outraged" because being in a state of perpetual outrage is not good for one’s blood pressure...

Why are you talking in circles?

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happy jack wrote:

Heretic wrote:: You could, I don't know... try thinking it through. Then you'd realize how laughably silly such a conspiracy is, especially one that's even more incoherent than Maxx's 9/11, and not have to worry about your heart.

I'm not worried about my heart, because I'm not "outraged".
Haven't you been paying attention?

Heretic wrote:

...and you're

Quote :: not "outraged" because being in a state of perpetual outrage is not good for one’s blood pressure...

Why are you talking in circles?

Since I’m not outraged, I am not worried about my heart.
Which part of this incredibly complicated "circle" are you having trouble understanding?

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What will it take for Congress to pass some stricter gun laws?
Think of the elephants, people - for God's sake, think of the elephants!

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/21921348/circus-elephant-shot-in-drive-by-shot-in-miss

Circus elephant hit in drive-by shooting

Posted: Apr 09, 2013 12:38 PM CDT Updated: Apr 09, 2013 12:38 PM CDT

TUPELO, Miss. (AP) — Authorities say a Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus elephant was hit by a bullet in a drive-by shooting in Tupelo, Miss.

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happy jack wrote:: The best I can do is to point these things out and hope that not everyone is as gullible as your average New York Times or Newsweek subscriber or your average MSNBC viewer.

Really now...talk about gullible. This from a conservative who said:

Quote :: "The motivation is unclear, but yes, complete disarmament seems to be the desirable outcome."

Gullible? yeah, no shit....and paranoid.

Come on jack, Barry isn't going to grab your guns, he's going to kill you with a big model airplane.

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edge540 wrote:

happy jack wrote:: The best I can do is to point these things out and hope that not everyone is as gullible as your average New York Times or Newsweek subscriber or your average MSNBC viewer.

Really now...talk about gullible. This from a conservative who said:

Quote :: "The motivation is unclear, but yes, complete disarmament seems to be the desirable outcome."

Gullible? yeah, no shit....and paranoid.

Come on jack, Barry isn't going to grab your guns, he's going to kill you with a big model airplane.

Who said anything about Barry grabbing my guns?
The topic at hand concerns the media, not the government.

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You did, you brought up "complete disarmament."
According to head gun nut Wayne LaPierre and just about every paranoid gun nut on the planet, the Muslim, socialist, Kenyan born America hating president is behind this nefarious "complete disarmament" plot. If it's not Barack Obama and the government behind this massive, fiendish conspiracy that you seem to believe in, then who is it, the media?.....oh wait, you are talking in circles, never mind.

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edge540 wrote:: . . . then who is it, the media?

Clearly.

Step 1: Fake news stories 'bout guns.
Step 2: ?????
Step 3: COMPLETE DISARMAMENT!!!
Step 4: ?????
Step 5: PROFIT!!!

It's so obvious. And the fact that we haven't heard anything about it from the media is just more proof that it's true.

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This is apparently what you think I said:

edge540 wrote:: If it's not Barack Obama and the government behind this massive, fiendish conspiracy that you seem to believe in, then who is it, the media?.....oh wait, you are talking in circles, never mind.

This is what I actually said:

happy jack wrote:: The motivation is unclear, but yes, complete disarmament seems to be the desirable outcome.

Do you notice the difference?

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When you talk in circles you can't help it, right?

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edge540 wrote:: When you talk in circles you can't help it, right?

I do understand and sympathize with your limitations, but if you intend to insult me, you should at least make a half-hearted attempt to be original rather than stealing directly from Heretic.

Heretic wrote:: Why are you talking in circles?

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The lives of two innocent yoots cut short.
Gol'darned shame.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9062720

2 charged in attempted home invasion, 2 others killed

Saturday, April 13, 2013

FAYETTEVILLE (WTVD) -- Investigators say two men who attempted to invade a home early Friday ended up dead after a gun battle with the homeowner.

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happy jack wrote:

edge540 wrote:: When you talk in circles you can't help it, right?

I do understand and sympathize with your limitations, but if you intend to insult me, you should at least make a half-hearted attempt to be original rather than stealing directly from Heretic.

Heretic wrote:: Why are you talking in circles?

I didn't steal anything and I was not attempting to be original. It was simply the continuation of the subject matter of you talking in circles.

And now since we're on the subject of limitations.
When the voices in your head keep telling you "complete disarmament, it's pretty clear who has limitations.

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Really what is the problem with expanded background checks...Hell they are even letting person to person transfers stay under the radar (I do not agree). If I gave my car away the person that took it would still have to register, plate, and get insurance for it. How can any one person think that expanded background checks are taking their guns away?

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There are no reasonable or logical objections to background checks. That they stand opposed is proof the NRA cares less about dead Americans than making money for the gun industry.

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fucking unbelievable

Radio Host Would Tell Newtown Families to 'Go to Hell'

by Black Max

You know, it's become a joke, a very bad one. How low can the rhetoric of these babbling assholes go? Well, Bob Davis of Twin Cities News Talk 1130 AM just set the bar that much lower. I have no words to introduce this. I can only imagine my reaction if I heard this sliming through my radio while on my way to work.

I have something I want to say to the victims of Newtown or any other shooting, I don't care if it's here in Minneapolis or any place else. Just because a bad thing happened to you doesn't mean that you get to put a king in charge of my life. I'm sorry that you suffered a tragedy, but you know what? Deal with it, and don't force me to lose my liberty, which is a greater tragedy than your loss. I'm sick and tired of seeing these victims trotted out, given rides on Air Force One, hauled into the Senate well, and everyone is ... terrified of these victims. I would stand in front of them and tell them, "Go to hell."

I don't know who these cockknockers are (I'm assuming that Emmer thinks Davis is just peachy-fine), and since I don't live anywhere near Minneapolis, I don't listen to the fever swamp of bullshit emanating from this radio station. The lineup is predictable and bull-moose crazy -- Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and the redoubtable Alex Jones among others.
And you don't need me to go off on a rant about how incredibly hateful Bob Davis's little tirade is. He puts his "right" to own military-grade weapons ahead of the lives of those children -- and your children, and mine, and presumably his own, if the little greaser blighted this world by spreading his DNA -- and then tells the families to be quiet about their tragedy and don't bug him about it. He mocks them, accuses them implicitly of taking advantage of their tragedy by hooking "rides on Air Force One," and says he would tell them to "go to hell."
Words fail me.
Here's the contact page for Twin Cities News Talk 1130AM.
This is the jerks' homepage on the radio station Web site.
This is the home page of Twin Cities News Talk 1130AM.
Surprise, surprise, they're another Clear Channel station, so I don't know what kind of effect raising hell with Clear Channel will have. The relatively few advertisers on the page tell me they aren't getting a lot of local advertising love, but it's not hard to target the local business supporters and raise hell with them.
A decent media outlet, no matter what its political preference, would can this asshole immediately. Given where this crowd seems to be, I'd say Bob Davis has a promotion in his near future.

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Quote :: Deal with it, and don't force me to lose my liberty, which is a greater tragedy than your loss.

Guns > children, 'specially dead children.

Can't say I'm terribly surprised; it's their entire argument. It's the same kind of asshole that can't stand to see guns destroyed after owners, who no longer want them, turn them in:

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And it's such a traumatic issue, they rushing legislation through to make it illegal, so they can sell them to any random stranger they meet on the street.

At some point this becomes a mental illness, doesn't it?

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Father's Day is just around the corner.
Time to start dropping some hints.

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Behold, the nightmarish, socialist hellscape that is gun control. Call your mother first and tell her you love her, and if there's children in the room, send them away:

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Those poor, poor people. I'd say the only people that have it worse are the poor folks trapped in countries that recently legalized gay marriage...

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