Republicans War on Women

happy jack wrote:

How many of those unintended pregnancies are the result of abstinence-only programs?
Can you show me the "millions"?
I can do the math.
Can you back up your claim?

Nope, but I'm sure it's "countless."

edge540 wrote:

Pretty sure if Levi had used a condom (2% per-year pregnancy rate) Ms Palin would not have gotten pregnant...agree?

Forgot to mention that... The one statistic abstinence-only does lower is contraception use. The fact that conservatives continue to rally behind a continually failing program proves that this whole thing is about rolling back the rights of women instead of preventing abortions.

Heretic wrote:

edge540 wrote:

Pretty sure if Levi had used a condom (2% per-year pregnancy rate) Ms Palin would not have gotten pregnant...agree?

Forgot to mention that... The one statistic abstinence-only does lower is contraception use. The fact that conservatives continue to rally behind a continually failing program proves that this whole thing is about rolling back the rights of women instead of preventing abortions.

Duh, if one is practicing abstinence one would not be using contraception. You need statistics to figure that out?

Robin Banks wrote:

Duh, if one is practicing abstinence one would not be using contraception.

True.

Thankfully, though, the researchers didn't make the same obvious error and focused instead on sexually active teens in their studies.

Anyone else notice this?
Team Romney stumbles on Ledbetter question

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The Mitt Romney campaign's failure to answer a reporter's question Wednesday over the support of an equal-pay for women law was quickly pounced on by President Barack Obama's campaign, marking the first skirmish of the general election now that Romney is the apparent GOP nominee.

On a conference call with reporters, Romney campaign surrogates were asked if the candidate supports the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act that expands workers' rights to sue if a pay discrepancy between a man and woman exists.

The reply: "We'll get back to you on that," Romney Campaign Policy Director Lanhee Chen said.

Then Mittens sends out a couple of his surrogates to try and clean up the mess. That might have worked except for the pesky fact that they both voted against Ledbetter ....

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But two of his surrogates did vote against the legislation in Congress. On Wednesday, the campaign sent out statements from Republican Reps. Mary Bono Mack of California and Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington, blaming women's jobs losses on Obama's policies. But both women voted against the Lilly Ledbetter Act as well as the proposed Paycheck Fairness Act.

A March 29 Wisconsin Women for Romney call with reporters featured Wisconsin state Sen. Alberta Darling (R-River Hills) and conservative activist Bay Buchanan. Darling was a cosponsor of legislation repealing her state's 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act, which was designed to deter employers from discriminating against certain groups by granting workers more avenues for pressing charges. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) quietly signed the bill into law last week.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/mitt-romney-women_n_1418414.html

happy jack wrote:

[b]How many of those unintended pregnancies are the result of abstinence-only programs?

Teen Pregnancies Highest In States With Abstinence-Only Policies
Apr 10, 2012 at 1:50 pm
The number of teen births in the U.S. dropped again in 2010, according to a government report, with nearly every state seeing a decrease. Nationally, the rate fell 9 percent to about 34 per 1,000 girls ages 15 through 19, and the drop was seen among all racial and ethnic groups. Mississippi continues to have the highest teen birth rate, with 55 births per 1,000 girls. New Hampshire has the lowest rate at just under 16 births per 1,000 girls.

Researchers at the University of Washington in Seattle found that teenagers who received some type of comprehensive sex education were 60 percent less likely to get pregnant or get someone else pregnant. And in 2007, a federal report showed that abstinence-only programs had “no impacts on rates of sexual abstinence.”

For example, take the states with the highest and lowest teen pregnancy rates. Mississippi does not require sex education in schools, but when it is taught, abstinence-only education is the state standard. New Mexico, which has the second highest teen birth rate, does not require sex ed and has no requirements on what should be included when it is taught. New Hampshire, on the other hand, requires comprehensive sex education in schools that includes abstinence and information about condoms and contraception.

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

[b]How many of those unintended pregnancies are the result of abstinence-only programs?

Teen Pregnancies Highest In States With Abstinence-Only Policies
Apr 10, 2012 at 1:50 pm
The number of teen births in the U.S. dropped again in 2010, according to a government report, with nearly every state seeing a decrease. Nationally, the rate fell 9 percent to about 34 per 1,000 girls ages 15 through 19, and the drop was seen among all racial and ethnic groups. Mississippi continues to have the highest teen birth rate, with 55 births per 1,000 girls. New Hampshire has the lowest rate at just under 16 births per 1,000 girls.

Researchers at the University of Washington in Seattle found that teenagers who received some type of comprehensive sex education were 60 percent less likely to get pregnant or get someone else pregnant. And in 2007, a federal report showed that abstinence-only programs had “no impacts on rates of sexual abstinence.”

For example, take the states with the highest and lowest teen pregnancy rates. Mississippi does not require sex education in schools, but when it is taught, abstinence-only education is the state standard. New Mexico, which has the second highest teen birth rate, does not require sex ed and has no requirements on what should be included when it is taught. New Hampshire, on the other hand, requires comprehensive sex education in schools that includes abstinence and information about condoms and contraception.

Non-conclusive.


http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/10/u-s-teen-birth-rate-drops-to-a-record-low/

The teenage birth rate in the United States has fallen to a record low in the seven decades since such statistics were last collected.
A report released Tuesday by the National Center for Health Statistics showed the teenage birth rate for American teenagers fell 9% from 2009 to 2010. The national level, 34.3 teenage births per 1,000 women between the ages of 15-19, is the lowest since 1946.
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The data from the report, which was derived from birth certificates, doesn't pinpoint why the teenage birth rate has decreased over the last few decades, said Brody Hamilton, an author of the report and a statistician at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“With teens, there are a lot of factors,” he said. “The economy is cited for overall downturn in the number of births. With teens, there are public policy programs directly addressing this teen pregnancy issue. It’s a mixture of things involved. We cannot tease that out with the data set that we have.”

happy jack wrote:

Non-conclusive.

Yeah right
Mississippi continues to have the highest teen birth rate, with 55 births per 1,000 girls. New Hampshire has the lowest rate at just under 16 births per 1,000 girls.
New Hampshire, on the other hand, requires comprehensive sex education in schools that includes abstinence and information about condoms and contraception.

happy jack wrote:

Employing your methodology, we can now assert as proof positive that any and all drops in the rate of violent crime are due to the preponderance of laws allowing private citizens to carry a concealed weapon.
Agreed?[/b]

No,we can now assert as proof positive that you're a troll that's attempting to change the subject.

happy jack wrote:

[b]Sorry, but I'm not changing the subject - I am questioning your methodology on this subject.
Can you or can you not defend your conclusion based on the methodology you used?

Incompetent troll tries unsuccessfully to hijack thread. How sad.

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

[b]Sorry, but I'm not changing the subject - I am questioning your methodology on this subject.
Can you or can you not defend your conclusion based on the methodology you used?

Incompetent troll tries unsuccessfully to hijack thread. How sad.

I had no doubt that you would be unable to defend your methodology on the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of abstinence education; I just didn't think that you'd whip out the Boredom/Tail-Between-Your-Legs Card this quickly.
You're reallly getting lazy.
How sad.

jack, jack, jack:
I'm afraid that's game, set, match and get some ice for that lump on your forehead from that rake. Your silly "defend your methodology" straw man is really_really pathetic. Try reading it again. Just exactly what part is sailing over your head?

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Teen Pregnancies Highest In States With Abstinence-Only Policies

Other reports show that teenagers are having less sex and using contraception more often. Studies have backed this up. Researchers at the University of Washington in Seattle found that teenagers who received some type of comprehensive sex education were 60 percent less likely to get pregnant or get someone else pregnant. And in 2007, a federal report showed that abstinence-only programs had “no impacts on rates of sexual abstinence.”

But 37 states require sex education that includes abstinence, 26 of which require that abstinence be stressed as the best method. Additionally, research shows that abstinence-only strategies could deter contraceptive use among teenagers, thus increasing their risk of unintended pregnancy.

For example, take the states with the highest and lowest teen pregnancy rates. Mississippi does not require sex education in schools, but when it is taught, abstinence-only education is the state standard. New Mexico, which has the second highest teen birth rate, does not require sex ed and has no requirements on what should be included when it is taught. New Hampshire, on the other hand, requires comprehensive sex education in schools that includes abstinence and information about condoms and contraception.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/10/461402/teen-pregnancy-sex-education/

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In yet another concrete example of how the right ignores reality in favor of harmful ideology, the latest statistics for teen pregnancy in the United States show a clear trend: traditionally red states that push abstinence only have the highest rates of teen pregnancy.

The most “religious” states are the ones that consistently have the worst rates of teen pregnancy. Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, West Virginia and so on, nine of the top ten states for teen pregnancy are in the Bible Belt (New Mexico is the outlier but they don’t require sex ed at all, with the same lousy results).
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/11/red-state-fail-abstinence-only-education-leads-to-highest-rates-of-teen-pregnancy-in-the-country/

Uh huh
The FACT that nine out of ten states that push abstinence only have the highest rates of teen pregnancy means nothing to you.

Ignoring all reality and in a state of denial, poor jack has turned into The Black Knight

edge540 wrote:

jack, jack, jack:
I'm afraid that's game, set, match and get some ice for that lump on your forehead from that rake. Your silly "defend your methodology" straw man is really_really pathetic.

He's an embarrassment to trolls worldwide.

Another republican jackass who can't keep his foot out of his mouth:

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Michigan Senate Candidate Calls Lilly Ledbetter Pay Equity Law A ‘Nuisance’: ‘It Shouldn’t Be The Law’
By Alex Seitz-Wald on Apr 13, 2012
At a campaign event yesterday, former GOP congressman and current Senate candidate Pete Hoekstra said the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 should not be law because it interferes with job creation. The law has been in the news lately after presumed GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney hedged on his support for it earlier this week. But Hoekstra, who is running against Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), was clear.

When an attendee asked Hoekstra if he would “work to repeal” the law — which empowers women to hold employers accountable for pay discrimination — Hoekstra replied, “It shouldn’t be the law“

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/13/464399/hoekstra-ledbetter/?mobile=nc

and it gets better:

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Romney Campaign Enlists GOP Women Who Opposed Equal Pay Bills To Attack Obama
By Josh Israel on Apr 11, 2012
As part of its bizarre strategy of blaming President Obama for the GOP’s “war on women,” the Romney campaign released statements today from two Republican Congresswomen, Reps. Mary Bono Mack (R-CA) and Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA). The statements correctly note that women have been hit particularly hard by job losses in recent years, but misleadingly lay the blame for those losses on Obama, just as Romney himself has been doing recently.

“Mitt Romney supports pay equity for women and, as president, will do what President Obama has not — implement pro-growth economic policies that will allow women and all Americans to finally get back to work,” wrote McMorris Rodgers. “Women in the Obama economy are facing hardships of historical proportions,” added Bono Mack. “Simply put, women cannot afford four more years of Barack Obama.”

But their concern for pay equity and women in the workplace must be a recent development. Both congresswomen voted against the landmark Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 — which empowers women to seek restitution for pay discrimination — and both voted against the proposed Paycheck Fairness Act, which would have made it easier for women to fight pay inequality.

This morning, the Romney campaign refused to say during a conference call whether Romney supports the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the first law that President Obama signed. The campaign later scrambled to assert that Romney “supports pay equity” and “is not looking to change current law.”
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/11/462671/romney-women-pay-equity/

happy jack wrote:

edge540 wrote:

Uh huh
The FACT that nine out of ten states that push abstinence only have the highest rates of teen pregnancy means nothing to you.

What is the cultural makeup of the majority of the pregnant teens in those states?
What is the ethnic makeup of the majority of the pregnant teens in those states?
What is the racial makeup of the majority of the pregnant teens in those states?
Are the majority of these teens from single-parent households?
Are you discounting all of those factors and laying the blame solely on the method of sex education being used in those states?

Minorities make up 57% of US teen births. Sorry, I don't have a state by state breakdown to prove your point, that's up to you. I would guess that the cultural makeup of the majority of the pregnant teens in all the states is the same.

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Non-Hispanic black youth, Hispanic/Latino youth, American Indian/Alaska Native youth, and socioeconomically disadvantaged youth of any race or ethnicity experience the highest rates of teen pregnancy and childbirth. Together, black and Hispanic youth comprise 57% of U.S. teen births in 2010.

http://www.cdc.gov/TeenPregnancy/AboutTeenPreg.htm

jack, here's the bottom line:
Abstinence only education doesn't work. Period. You agree? yes? no?

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The United States ranks first among developed nations in rates of both teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. In an effort to reduce these rates, the U.S. government has funded abstinence-only sex education programs for more than a decade. However, a public controversy remains over whether this investment has been successful and whether these programs should be continued. Using the most recent national data (2005) from all U.S. states with information on sex education laws or policies (N = 48), we show that increasing emphasis on abstinence education is positively correlated with teenage pregnancy and birth rates. This trend remains significant after accounting for socioeconomic status, teen educational attainment, ethnic composition of the teen population, and availability of Medicaid waivers for family planning services in each state. These data show clearly that abstinence-only education as a state policy is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S. In alignment with the new evidence-based Teen Pregnancy Prevention Initiative and the Precaution Adoption Process Model advocated by the National Institutes of Health, we propose the integration of comprehensive sex and STD education into the biology curriculum in middle and high school science classes and a parallel social studies curriculum that addresses risk-aversion behaviors and planning for the future.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0024658

Conservatives hate facts.
If you think that the cause and effect is not related in any way to the style of sex education than why on earth do you support the teaching of a comprehensive sex education program?
Why are you so liberal on this issue?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/opinion/sunday/having-an-abortion-when-no-one-called-me-a-slut.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

No One Called Me a Slut

By SUSAN HEATH
Published: April 14, 2012

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This is a story of how it used to be:
It’s 1978, five years after Roe v. Wade. I’m 38, I have four sons — the oldest is 17, the youngest is turning 12. I’m at school, getting a B.A., and I’m loving it.
I’m about two and a half months pregnant.
I don’t want this child.
I have a family, a large family. I love my children with a passion, but I don’t want any more. I know this with absolute certainty. I’ve got other things to do,

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Shop-Vac the little bastard right out of me.
I've got other things to do.

Thanks for sharing that enlightening story, Jack.