Beware of Zogby Polls

You're going to hear today about a Zogby poll claiming that Obama's approval is at 50%. I recall last election the wingnuts all popping the champagne corks about Zogby because his numbers showed a close race,around 2% I believe. For weeks I posted material that proved his polls just couldn't be trusted to be accurate,and in the end I was proved right.

This case is no different,since reputable polls like Real Clear Politics and Pollster.com show him at around 60%.
Here's an example of just how far off he was in last years election predictions..

Artie60438 wrote:

You're going to hear today about a Zogby poll claiming that Obama's approval is at 50%. I recall last election the wingnuts all popping the champagne corks about Zogby because his numbers showed a close race,around 2% I believe. For weeks I posted material that proved his polls just couldn't be trusted to be accurate,and in the end I was proved right.

This case is no different,since reputable polls like Real Clear Politics and Pollster.com show him at around 60%.
Here's an example of just how far off he was in last years election predictions..

Again with the polls? Who cares. Did you ever look at the D J I A or the S & P? That is the approval rating you should be concerned with.

LoisLane wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

You're going to hear today about a Zogby poll claiming that Obama's approval is at 50%. I recall last election the wingnuts all popping the champagne corks about Zogby because his numbers showed a close race,around 2% I believe. For weeks I posted material that proved his polls just couldn't be trusted to be accurate,and in the end I was proved right.

This case is no different,since reputable polls like Real Clear Politics and Pollster.com show him at around 60%.
Here's an example of just how far off he was in last years election predictions..

Again with the polls? Who cares. Did you ever look at the D J I A or the S & P? That is the approval rating you should be concerned with.

My main purpose was to head off Mirage before he went and posted it as fact

Btw,the Dow is up over 1200 points in the last 2 weeks.

My poll is bigger than your poll.

good one :rolfcry:

60% Artie?? What the hell happened to the 80% you were bragging about not so long ago??

Ohhmama wrote:

60% Artie?? What the hell happened to the 80% you were bragging about not so long ago??

Republicans started drinking the wingnut kool-aid again. You expected the 80% to last forever? LOL Show me any Presidency where that happened? 60% is damn good considering the problems we're facing as a result of what he inherited from Bush.

Artie60438 wrote:

LoisLane wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

You're going to hear today about a Zogby poll claiming that Obama's approval is at 50%. I recall last election the wingnuts all popping the champagne corks about Zogby because his numbers showed a close race,around 2% I believe. For weeks I posted material that proved his polls just couldn't be trusted to be accurate,and in the end I was proved right.

This case is no different,since reputable polls like Real Clear Politics and Pollster.com show him at around 60%.
Here's an example of just how far off he was in last years election predictions..

Again with the polls? Who cares. Did you ever look at the D J I A or the S & P? That is the approval rating you should be concerned with.

My main purpose was to head off Mirage before he went and posted it as fact

Btw,the Dow is up over 1200 points in the last 2 weeks.

Too late. I think people already know Obama and his cronies are running the country into the ground even without reading the poll numbers.

Mirage wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Btw,the Dow is up over 1200 points in the last 2 weeks.

Too late. I think people already know Obama and his cronies are running the country into the ground even without reading the poll numbers.

Then why are his poll numbers even higher than the 53% of people who voted for him?

HUH???

60% of the 53% who voted for him, think he's doing a good job.

Ohhmama wrote:

HUH???

60% of the 53% who voted for him, think he's doing a good job.

No,those are national polls.

Wait! Then why are his poll numbers even higher than the 53% of people who voted for him? To hear you discuss it one would think Obama won by a commanding majority, not a mere 3%.

Setting the polls aside I recall that prior to the election I heard many people speak well of Obama and looking forward with hope. Now when I bring up his name to strangers they get a weird look on their faces and grumble something and then try to change the subject. One might start to think they wished they could have that vote back. :rolfcry:

Mirage wrote:

Wait! Then why are his poll numbers even higher than the 53% of people who voted for him? To hear you discuss it one would think Obama won by a commanding majority, not a mere 3%.

No, Obama won by 7%, not 3%. He got 53% of the vote, while McCain got just 46%. That's the biggest percentage popular vote margin of victory since the first president Bush beat Dukakis in 1988. Obama beat McCain by almost 10 million votes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2008#Grand_total

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

Once again, you could have easily checked the results before you posted incorrect info. There's nothing at all unusual about a popular President who has poll numbers that are higher than his actual vote totals. Most Americans think that Obama is doing a good job, and the polls simply reflect that fact.

Most Americans tend to rally behind a new President and wish him well. What most Americans don't do is tear down everything he does, accuse him of being the Anti Christ, call him a socialist, say that he is the leader of conspiracies, or engage in any of the other disgusting, unfounded character assasination that we've seen in your recent posts.

Once again, you could have easily checked the results

Oh please! He stated the number and I went with that. But talk about splitting hairs. The point is that I'm pretty sure there's at least 7% who have voter's remorse already, which is the point.

If he doesn't like being accused of being the Antichrist, a socialist (which he OBVIOUSLY is from his actions thus far already), he shouldn't act like it. I don't recall calling him the leader of conspiracies but he obviously is involved in a few. The AIG conspiracy to name one.

So please spare us with the unfounded cries. More people are getting wise to the con job every day.

Mirage wrote:

Once again, you could have easily checked the results

Oh please! He stated the number and I went with that. But talk about splitting hairs. The point is that I'm pretty sure there's at least 7% who have voter's remorse already, which is the point.

You're "pretty sure?" Based on what? Your anecdotal conversations with "strangers? Give me a frickin' break!

Mirage wrote:

If he doesn't like being accused of being the Antichrist, a socialist (which he OBVIOUSLY is from his actions thus far already), he shouldn't act like it.

IMHO, only a lunatic would accuse Obama of being "the Antichrist." That's really all I need to hear. It's simply not possible for me to take a person who believes that our President is the Antichrist seriously.

If you're truly interested in the AIG situation, then here's a thread where we discussed it. You obviously need to read it again.

https://nofree.forumotion.com/nation-world-f11/insurance-giant-aig-to-pay-165-million-in-bonuses-t579.htm#10093

You're "pretty sure?" Based on what? Your anecdotal conversations with "strangers? Give me a frickin' break!

It's as good as many polls. At least as good as an informal poll.

Actually, isn't the opinion of strangers where polls come from?

IMHO, only a lunatic would accuse Obama of being "the Antichrist."

Your opinion is noted. I don't think so much of the Obama apologists myself, especially when they can express no fault in the man whatsoever.

If you're truly interested in the AIG situation

Like I said before, looks like the coverup is worse than the crime. It's not going away!

Mirage wrote:

You're "pretty sure?" Based on what? Your anecdotal conversations with "strangers? Give me a frickin' break!

It's as good as many polls. At least as good as an informal poll.

Actually, isn't the opinion of strangers where polls come from?

No offense,and with all due respect,you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Reputable polling is a science in itself based on the study of statistics. For example,just the way the questions are framed can influence and skew the results.

Like Scorpion has said,Do some research before you stick your foot in your mouth.

And yet the professionals can indeed be wrong. Sometimes it is questionable as to why they went wrong, especially when the results favor the party paying for them.

Still, scientific or not when enough unrelated people express an opinion there's a good chance that's how they really feel no matter how a crafted survey may or may not be accurate within parameters.

Put another way the results of a number of polls would seem to be no more accurate than randomly talking to strangers. Just ask President Gore or Hillary Clinton.

Mirage wrote:

And yet the professionals can indeed be wrong. Sometimes it is questionable as to why they went wrong, especially when the results favor the party paying for them.

Well sure they can be wrong. Zogby is a perfect example. Reputable polls are another story and were pretty close on their 2008 election predictions.

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Still, scientific or not when enough unrelated people express an opinion there's a good chance that's how they really feel no matter how a crafted survey may or may not be accurate within parameters.

Not if the questions are phrased wrong.

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Put another way the results of a number of polls would seem to be no more accurate than randomly talking to strangers. Just ask President Gore or Hillary Clinton.

Did you forget that Gore actually won the popular vote? Hillary's lead vanished as the primary campaign went on and unless you can document otherwise the polls were accurate.

Mirage wrote:

And yet the professionals can indeed be wrong. Sometimes it is questionable as to why they went wrong, especially when the results favor the party paying for them.

Yeah. Well we're not talking about polls commissioned by the Democratic party so your ramblings are completely irrelevant.

Mirage wrote:

Still, scientific or not when enough unrelated people express an opinion there's a good chance that's how they really feel no matter how a crafted survey may or may not be accurate within parameters.

This statement is based upon absolutely no evidence whatsoever. I've formally studied polling and sampling methods extensively and scientific polling is remarkably accurate, especially when you look at the trends in the numbers over time.

Mirage wrote:

Put another way the results of a number of polls would seem to be no more accurate than randomly talking to strangers. Just ask President Gore or Hillary Clinton.

I could add more, but Artie pretty much answered this absolutely ridiculous contention in his post. For once, why not just admit you're frickin' wrong? All of us are wrong from time to time. Just admit it and move on.