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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/7/2011, 8:42 pm

happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:

If you want to start a topic about abortion,then please start a new topic. This part of the discussion was about Republican hypocrisy at it's finest.....folks who claim to care about "poor black children" and then support a political party who does everything it can to reduce any opportunities to make their lives easier.

[b]Here is the first post on this thread.
If you would care to start a thread about "Republican hypocrisy at its finest", please do.

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According to the authors of Freakonomics, the reason crime has dropped so dramatically is because of a change in demographics of children born in the US. It turns out the the group most likely to become violent criminals are children who are born to poor,uneducated,unmarried teenage mothers lacking the resources and desire to raise children. The unintended consequence of Roe vs. Wade is that legalized abortion has made the US a much safer place to live.
It might be a good idea for you to actually read the Freakonomics article. It deals with 4 factors that may have had an effect on crime and 6 factors that didn't. Nowhere does it address the morality of abortion or whether it's right or wrong nor did Sparks address those issues. The issue they explore is whether Roe v Wade had an effect on crime.
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/8/2011, 4:41 am

Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:

If you want to start a topic about abortion,then please start a new topic. This part of the discussion was about Republican hypocrisy at it's finest.....folks who claim to care about "poor black children" and then support a political party who does everything it can to reduce any opportunities to make their lives easier.

Here is the first post on this thread.
If you would care to start a thread about "Republican hypocrisy at its finest", please do.

sparks wrote:
According to the authors of Freakonomics, the reason crime has dropped so dramatically is because of a change in demographics of children born in the US. It turns out the the group most likely to become violent criminals are children who are born to poor,uneducated,unmarried teenage mothers lacking the resources and desire to raise children. The unintended consequence of Roe vs. Wade is that legalized abortion has made the US a much safer place to live.
It might be a good idea for you to actually read the Freakonomics article. It deals with 4 factors that may have had an effect on crime and 6 factors that didn't. Nowhere does it address the morality of abortion or whether it's right or wrong nor did Sparks address those issues. The issue they explore is whether Roe v Wade had an effect on crime.
[b]It's a pretty fair bet that we will see crime rise as the Right's attacks on Planned Parenthood result in more unwanted pregnancies and less access to prenatal care.
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/8/2011, 6:51 am

Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:

If you want to start a topic about abortion,then please start a new topic. This part of the discussion was about Republican hypocrisy at it's finest.....folks who claim to care about "poor black children" and then support a political party who does everything it can to reduce any opportunities to make their lives easier.

Here is the first post on this thread.
If you would care to start a thread about "Republican hypocrisy at its finest", please do.

sparks wrote:
According to the authors of Freakonomics, the reason crime has dropped so dramatically is because of a change in demographics of children born in the US. It turns out the the group most likely to become violent criminals are children who are born to poor,uneducated,unmarried teenage mothers lacking the resources and desire to raise children. The unintended consequence of Roe vs. Wade is that legalized abortion has made the US a much safer place to live.
It might be a good idea for you to actually read the Freakonomics article. It deals with 4 factors that may have had an effect on crime and 6 factors that didn't. Nowhere does it address the morality of abortion or whether it's right or wrong nor did Sparks address those issues. The issue they explore is whether Roe v Wade had an effect on crime.





This is the topic I was addressing - from the very first post - when you accused me of changing the subject.

sparks wrote:
According to the authors of Freakonomics, the reason crime has dropped so dramatically is because of a change in demographics of children born in the US. It turns out the the group most likely to become violent criminals are children who are born to poor,uneducated,unmarried teenage mothers lacking the resources and desire to raise children. The unintended consequence of Roe vs. Wade is that legalized abortion has made the US a much safer place to live.
Also, I'm not talking about the morality of abortion itself. I'm talking about the morality - or lack thereof - involved in killing babies so that they won't kill you fifteen or twenty years from now. I guess that is a liberal's idea of self-defense.
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/8/2011, 7:54 am

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[b]Also, I'm not talking about the morality of abortion itself. I'm talking about the morality - or lack thereof - involved in killing babies so that they won't kill you fifteen or twenty years from now. I guess that is a liberal's idea of self-defense.
Another idiotic baseless rant. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/8/2011, 8:02 am

If you want to start a topic about abortion,then please start a new topic. This part of the discussion was about Republican hypocrisy at it's finest.....folks who claim to care about "poor black children" and then support a political party who does everything it can to reduce any opportunities to make their lives easier.

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Another idiotic baseless rant. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/8/2011, 8:06 am

happy jack wrote:
If you want to start a topic about abortion,then please start a new topic. This part of the discussion was about Republican hypocrisy at it's finest.....folks who claim to care about "poor black children" and then support a political party who does everything it can to reduce any opportunities to make their lives easier.

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Another idiotic baseless rant. Rolling Eyes
I forgot to add Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/8/2011, 8:23 am

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I forgot to add Sleep
Dreaming of a naked Mayor McDermott again, are you?
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/10/2011, 8:21 am

happy jack wrote:
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I forgot to add Sleep
Dreaming of a naked Mayor McDermott again, are you?
Your response is pretty revealing,Happy. You think that opposing abortions makes you morally superior, but you continue to reveal how morally bankrupt you are.
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/10/2011, 12:26 pm

sparks wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:

I forgot to add Sleep
Dreaming of a naked Mayor McDermott again, are you?
Your response is pretty revealing,Happy. You think that opposing abortions makes you morally superior, but you continue to reveal how morally bankrupt you are.
Could you please explain how I am "morally bankrupt"?
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/10/2011, 4:37 pm

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It's a pretty fair bet that we will see crime rise as the Right's attacks on Planned Parenthood result in more unwanted pregnancies and less access to prenatal care.
sparks:

Could you please outline the process by which crime rises as a result of less access to prenatal care?
Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/10/2011, 7:26 pm

happy jack wrote:
sparks wrote:
It's a pretty fair bet that we will see crime rise as the Right's attacks on Planned Parenthood result in more unwanted pregnancies and less access to prenatal care.
[b]sparks:

Could you please outline the process by which crime rises as a result of less access to prenatal care?
Thanks.
Is using Google too complicated for you? This took me about 5 seconds........
Study: Nurse visits during pregnancy linked to daughters' reduced criminal behavior years later
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Girls whose mothers were visited at home by nurses during pregnancy and the children's infancy are less likely to enter the criminal justice system before age 19 than their counterparts whose mothers were not visited, reports a study in the January issue of Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine (Vol. 164, No. 1).
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/11/2011, 12:47 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
sparks wrote:
It's a pretty fair bet that we will see crime rise as the Right's attacks on Planned Parenthood result in more unwanted pregnancies and less access to prenatal care.
sparks:

Could you please outline the process by which crime rises as a result of less access to prenatal care?
Thanks.
Is using Google too complicated for you? This took me about 5 seconds........
Study: Nurse visits during pregnancy linked to daughters' reduced criminal behavior years later
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Girls whose mothers were visited at home by nurses during pregnancy and the children's infancy are less likely to enter the criminal justice system before age 19 than their counterparts whose mothers were not visited, reports a study in the January issue of Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine (Vol. 164, No. 1).
One study, thirty years ago, with only 400 subjects?
If that is your idea of proof, then it's a bit flimsy, to say the least.
Have there been follow-up studies to corroborate this?
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/11/2011, 1:05 pm

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One study, thirty years ago, with only 400 subjects?
If that is your idea of proof, then it's a bit flimsy, to say the least.
Have there been follow-up studies to corroborate this?
I proved the point. If you have any studies that would indicate that one was in error or that pre-natal care has no effect on the outcome of childen's lives and psychological health,then I suggest you post them.

Until then.....it's ME 1...You 0
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PostSubject: Re: Why have crime rates been dropping in the US for 20 years?   7/12/2011, 3:27 am

happy jack wrote:
One study, thirty years ago, with only 400 subjects?
If that is your idea of proof, then it's a bit flimsy, to say the least.
Have there been follow-up studies to corroborate this?

Please... "skeptics" have cited less when it comes to AGW, but you have no problem swallowing that ridiculous conspiracy as gospel.

But anyway... it's an industry standard. The nurse home visitation program reduces rates of neglect and abuse, and reducing the rates neglect and abuse has a documented effect of lowering crime going back decades. "Flimsy" research, this ain't.
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