Nancy Pelosi's Harvest Mouse

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It's just the same old shit....no change here!

The Washington Times wrote:: Wednesday, February 11, 2009
Stimulus has $30M to save Pelosi's harvest mouse

House Republicans are challenging Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the massive stimulus spending bill contains no pet projects after uncovering in the bill more than $30 million for wetlands conservation in her San Francisco Bay area district, including work she previously championed to protect the salt marsh harvest mouse.

"This sounds like spending projects that have been supported by a certain powerful Democrat in the past," said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Minority Leader John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican.

"It certainly doesn't sound like it will create or save American jobs," he said. "So can Speaker Pelosi explain exactly how we will improve the American economy by helping the adorable little" critter?

A spokesman for Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, said the claim was "fabricated" by Republicans.

"The speaker nor her staff have had any involvement in this initiative. This is yet another contrived partisan attack," Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said. "Restoration is key to economic activity including farming, fisheries, recreation, and clean water."

The criticism of hidden pet projects, or earmarks, in the economic rescue comes as Capitol Hill leaders rush to finalize a roughly $800 billion package in closed-door negotiations. President Obama boasts the stimulus plan contains no earmarks since Congress technically did not use the earmark process for lawmakers to request and drop in specific spending items.

However, much the legislation was written behind closed doors and Republicans question how the projects were chosen.

Congressional leaders are currently hurrying to reconcile the Senate's $838 billion bill and the House-passed $819 billion version by Mr. Obama's weekend deadline, and the Democratic leaders vowed to keep lawmakers in Washington through next week's planned Presidents Day recess if they don't get the job done in time.

As they barter over what tax cuts and spending to keep and which to cut, the negotiators are not expected to touch scores of spending items criticized by Republicans.

Some of those items that Republicans are calling earmarks include $200 million for clean-burning power plant in Mattoon, Ill., and $750 million for the National Computer Center and $500 million for the National Institute of Health offices, both located in Maryland.

Other spending questioned by Republicans, and not considered on the chopping block, are $275 million for flood prevention, $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges and libraries and $650 million for the digital TV converter box coupons.

The list goes on: $1 billion for administrative costs and construction of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration office buildings, $100 million for constructing U.S. Marshals office buildings, and $1.3 billion for NASA, including $450 million tagged for science.

Then there is the $300 million for hybrid and electric cars for the federal government, which include golf carts for federal workers to tool around in.

"One of the proudest boasts of Democrats supporting their trillion-dollar spending plan is that it doesn't contain earmarks," Mr. Steel said. "But it seems like powerful Democrats will still find a way to bring home the bacon.

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A spokesman for Mrs. Pelosi said Republicans "fabricated" the claim.

Quote :: "The speaker nor her staff have had any involvement in this initiative. This is yet another contrived partisan attack," Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said. "Restoration is key to economic activity, including farming, fisheries, recreation and clean water."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/

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Artie60438 wrote:

A spokesman for Mrs. Pelosi said Republicans "fabricated" the claim.

Quote :: "The speaker nor her staff have had any involvement in this initiative. This is yet another contrived partisan attack," Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said. "Restoration is key to economic activity, including farming, fisheries, recreation and clean water."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/

Actually, this has been a "pet" project of hers for many years.....

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BigWhiteGuy wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

A spokesman for Mrs. Pelosi said Republicans "fabricated" the claim.

Quote :: "The speaker nor her staff have had any involvement in this initiative. This is yet another contrived partisan attack," Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said. "Restoration is key to economic activity, including farming, fisheries, recreation and clean water."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/

Actually, this has been a "pet" project of hers for many years.....

If you look at Nancy Pelosi's website, you will see that she has made this statement concerning the environment.
Protecting the environment is vital to protect the health of all Americans, particularly our children. Democrats are fighting for cleaner air, cleaner water, and preservation of our natural resources, understanding that what we do today has an impact on future generations of Americans. We stand up for fair policies that protect America’s environment while allowing for economic opportunity—priorities that can work together.
I think it's time for the Republicans to be reminded once again that they lost the election and that Americans want clean air and water. It's time for the Republicans in Congress to quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill and get this package passed. To quote our President,You Republicans won't get it done by listening to Rush!

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Gotta love it.
First, your Messiah says (regarding lobbyists), ... "and when I am President, they won't find a job in my White House."
Then, it turns out that he really meant to say, 'Well, maybe a few, but not a whole lot, OK, guys?'

It is claimed that there is no pork in this bill.
Then, it turns out that what they really meant to say was, 'Well, maybe there's some pork, but not a lot.'
And your response is:

sparks wrote:: ... quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill

So, sparks, I'll make you a deal - you stop lying, we'll stop quibbling.
'kay?

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sparks wrote:

BigWhiteGuy wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

A spokesman for Mrs. Pelosi said Republicans "fabricated" the claim.

Quote :: "The speaker nor her staff have had any involvement in this initiative. This is yet another contrived partisan attack," Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said. "Restoration is key to economic activity, including farming, fisheries, recreation and clean water."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/

Actually, this has been a "pet" project of hers for many years.....

If you look at Nancy Pelosi's website, you will see that she has made this statement concerning the environment.
Protecting the environment is vital to protect the health of all Americans, particularly our children. Democrats are fighting for cleaner air, cleaner water, and preservation of our natural resources, understanding that what we do today has an impact on future generations of Americans. We stand up for fair policies that protect America’s environment while allowing for economic opportunity—priorities that can work together.
I think it's time for the Republicans to be reminded once again that they lost the election and that Americans want clean air and water. It's time for the Republicans in Congress to quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill and get this package passed. To quote our President,You Republicans won't get it done by listening to Rush!

BUT, The stimulus is about jobs, NOT the environment. She is "OFF TOPIC"....

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BigWhiteGuy wrote:

sparks wrote:

BigWhiteGuy wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

A spokesman for Mrs. Pelosi said Republicans "fabricated" the claim.

Quote :: "The speaker nor her staff have had any involvement in this initiative. This is yet another contrived partisan attack," Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said. "Restoration is key to economic activity, including farming, fisheries, recreation and clean water."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/

Actually, this has been a "pet" project of hers for many years.....

If you look at Nancy Pelosi's website, you will see that she has made this statement concerning the environment.
Protecting the environment is vital to protect the health of all Americans, particularly our children. Democrats are fighting for cleaner air, cleaner water, and preservation of our natural resources, understanding that what we do today has an impact on future generations of Americans. We stand up for fair policies that protect America’s environment while allowing for economic opportunity—priorities that can work together.
I think it's time for the Republicans to be reminded once again that they lost the election and that Americans want clean air and water. It's time for the Republicans in Congress to quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill and get this package passed. To quote our President,You Republicans won't get it done by listening to Rush!

BUT, The stimulus is about jobs, NOT the environment. She is "OFF TOPIC"....

Protecting the environment creates jobs. Here in NW IN, hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent installing pollution control equipment at our steel mills,refineries and generating stations.

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GREEN JOBS RESTORING THE LAND— ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION THAT FIGHTS GLOBAL WARMING

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sparks wrote:: Protecting the environment creates jobs. Here in NW IN, hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent installing pollution control equipment at our steel mills,refineries and generating stations.

Not exactly money well spent....those industries are in the crapper.

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sparks wrote:: I think it's time for the Republicans to be reminded once again that they lost the election and that Americans want clean air and water. It's time for the Republicans in Congress to quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill and get this package passed. To quote our President,You Republicans won't get it done by listening to Rush![/b]

Then you may be first in line to buy a HOPE BOND.....anyone who thinks this stimulus package will work is a sucker. Japan tried the same thing eight times, until they decided to do tax cuts instead. The tax cuts are what worked, not buying TV's and toasters.

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BigWhiteGuy wrote:

sparks wrote:: Protecting the environment creates jobs. Here in NW IN, hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent installing pollution control equipment at our steel mills,refineries and generating stations.

Not exactly money well spent....those industries are in the crapper.

Most of the industrial base of NW IN is doing fine. BP is in the middle of a 4 Billion dollar expansion, one of the largest projects in the entire country. Lever Bros. continues to invest in their N. Hammond plant and the Cerestar plant is a major producer of corn starch. Safety Kleen is in the midst of a multi-million dollar expansion and Nipsco is racking in the money as usual. The steel industry is in the midst of a downturn but steel has always been a cyclical business.Praxair is also adding to their production facilities. Those examples clearly disprove your assessment that all industry in NW IN are "in the crapper".

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BigWhiteGuy wrote:

sparks wrote:: I think it's time for the Republicans to be reminded once again that they lost the election and that Americans want clean air and water. It's time for the Republicans in Congress to quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill and get this package passed. To quote our President,You Republicans won't get it done by listening to Rush![/b]

Then you may be first in line to buy a HOPE BOND.....anyone who thinks this stimulus package will work is a sucker. Japan tried the same thing eight times, until they decided to do tax cuts instead. The tax cuts are what worked, not buying TV's and toasters.

Hey, where do I sign up to git me one a them Hope Bonds?

Guest

happy jack wrote:

BigWhiteGuy wrote:

sparks wrote:: I think it's time for the Republicans to be reminded once again that they lost the election and that Americans want clean air and water. It's time for the Republicans in Congress to quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill and get this package passed. To quote our President,You Republicans won't get it done by listening to Rush![/b]

Then you may be first in line to buy a HOPE BOND.....anyone who thinks this stimulus package will work is a sucker. Japan tried the same thing eight times, until they decided to do tax cuts instead. The tax cuts are what worked, not buying TV's and toasters.

Hey, where do I sign up to git me one a them Hope Bonds?

Pro'ly the same place you'd be able to pick up your carbon credits... Rolling Eyes

Hey pick me up a couple, I'll catch ya when you get back! Wink

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Ohhmama wrote:

happy jack wrote:

BigWhiteGuy wrote:

sparks wrote:: I think it's time for the Republicans to be reminded once again that they lost the election and that Americans want clean air and water. It's time for the Republicans in Congress to quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill and get this package passed. To quote our President,You Republicans won't get it done by listening to Rush![/b]

Then you may be first in line to buy a HOPE BOND.....anyone who thinks this stimulus package will work is a sucker. Japan tried the same thing eight times, until they decided to do tax cuts instead. The tax cuts are what worked, not buying TV's and toasters.

Hey, where do I sign up to git me one a them Hope Bonds?

Pro'ly the same place you'd be able to pick up your carbon credits... Rolling Eyes

Hey pick me up a couple, I'll catch ya when you get back! Wink

OK, but ya owe me fer gas money.

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sparks wrote:: Most of the industrial base of NW IN is doing fine. BP is in the middle of a 4 Billion dollar expansion, one of the largest projects in the entire country. Lever Bros. continues to invest in their N. Hammond plant and the Cerestar plant is a major producer of corn starch. Safety Kleen is in the midst of a multi-million dollar expansion and Nipsco is racking in the money as usual. The steel industry is in the midst of a downturn but steel has always been a cyclical business.Praxair is also adding to their production facilities. Those examples clearly disprove your assessment that all industry in NW IN are "in the crapper".

And here's another plan to piss away a lot of money on a LOST CAUSE.....

The Times wrote:: Stimulus could help airport land Mexican airline

BY KEITH BENMAN
kbenman@nwitimes.com
219.933.3326 | Thursday, February 12, 2009
Gary/Chicago International Airport wants to kick-start its plans to attract international carriers and cargo by landing $8 million in federal stimulus money to expand its terminal.

The expansion would include the building of a customs and immigration facility, which was put on hold last year, according to airport director Chris Curry.

"It's important for people to understand we are still out there and a competitor in the Chicago aviation market," Curry said after Thursday's airport authority meeting.

The airport is seeking an additional $60 million in stimulus money to relocate the EJ&E Railway line, which is blocking expansion of its main runway.

Plans to expand the terminal were put on hold last year when it became clear funding would be difficult to obtain.

If the airport can get stimulus money to expand the terminal, it also would restart its effort to win designation as a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility, Curry said.

The airport is not alone in seeking federal stimulus money. Communities in Lake, Porter, and LaPorte counties are submitting a total of $1.5 billion in requests for stimulus funding.

The U.S. House and Senate are expected to pass the $789 billion stimulus bill Friday, and President Obama wants to sign it on Monday.

The airport already is working with the office of U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh to obtain stimulus money, Curry said.

Details on exactly how the money will flow to localities is still sketchy, but he expects the Indiana Department of Transportation and Federal Aviation Administration also will be involved.

Mexican carrier Viva Aerobus' application with the U.S. Department of Transportation to fly into Gary remains active, Curry said. That application was filed in March of last year but remains on hold.

In preparation for expanding the main runway, the airport recently completed a $14.8 million project to bury NIPSCO power lines that block the flight path to a lengthened runway.

That project came in $2.86 million under budget, airport engineer Ken Ross reported Thursday. Some 27,000 feet of high-voltage cable serving steel mills was buried and a new substation erected off Chicago Avenue.

How could we possibly benefit by expanding the Gary Airport terminal, and expanding the runway? Isn't this like the "Bridge to Nowhere"? Let's call it the "Flight to Nowhere".....

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sparks wrote:: Protecting the environment creates jobs. Here in NW IN, hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent installing pollution control equipment at our steel mills,refineries and generating stations.

Taking them one at a time:
1. The steel industry in Northern Indiana is DEAD. China and Japan have taken care of that.
2. BP is owned by a foreign company. What we spend here goes over there.
3. NIPSCo hasn't built ONE new unit since Wheatfield, in the 70's. Nuclear power in Indiana is out of the question.
What does protecting the environment have to do with stimulating the economy? Do you even have a clue? How many HOPE BONDs are you going to buy?

Guest

happy jack wrote:

Ohhmama wrote:

happy jack wrote:

BigWhiteGuy wrote:

sparks wrote:: I think it's time for the Republicans to be reminded once again that they lost the election and that Americans want clean air and water. It's time for the Republicans in Congress to quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill and get this package passed. To quote our President,You Republicans won't get it done by listening to Rush![/b]

Then you may be first in line to buy a HOPE BOND.....anyone who thinks this stimulus package will work is a sucker. Japan tried the same thing eight times, until they decided to do tax cuts instead. The tax cuts are what worked, not buying TV's and toasters.

Hey, where do I sign up to git me one a them Hope Bonds?

Pro'ly the same place you'd be able to pick up your carbon credits... Rolling Eyes

Hey pick me up a couple, I'll catch ya when you get back! Wink

OK, but ya owe me fer gas money.

I'll catch ya when you get back! Smile

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BigWhiteGuy wrote:

sparks wrote:: Protecting the environment creates jobs. Here in NW IN, hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent installing pollution control equipment at our steel mills,refineries and generating stations.

Taking them one at a time:
1. The steel industry in Northern Indiana is DEAD. China and Japan have taken care of that.

Really? Apparently someone forgot to tell the STEEL COMPANIES that they are dead. NW IN is the largest steel producing area in the US. For the week endind 2/7/2009, 340,000 TONS of raw steel were produced in NW IN. Since you made your incorrect assertion 12 hours ago, steelworkers produced about 25,000 tons of steel.From here.

BigWhiteGuy wrote:

It doesn't sound like economics is your strong suit. The Profits BP makes return to Britain. The wages they pay and capital investments they make stay here.

BigWhiteGuy wrote:: 3. NIPSCo hasn't built ONE new unit since Wheatfield, in the 70's. Nuclear power in Indiana is out of the question.

That doesn't stop them from investing money to install pollution control equipment on the plant. They are finshing a $300 million upgrade at Wheatfield.]From here. You are also ignoring the similar multi-million dollar investments Stateline generating has made in their plant.

BigWhiteGuy wrote:: What does protecting the environment have to do with stimulating the economy? Do you even have a clue?

This 1.9 Billion dollar investment in wind farms looks like a good start to me. Now that we have elected a President who understands we can't DRILL our way out of our imported oil addiction,we will see policies which will create more investments like this.
If you are looking for clues, I suggest you look at my response to your erroneous claims in this post. It will give you some insight into how to embarrass a poster by proving that they don't have their facts straight. I will welcome any future opportunities to point out your lack of credibility. Sincerely,Sparks

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sparks wrote:: If you are looking for clues, I suggest you look at my response to your erroneous claims in this post. It will give you some insight into how to embarrass a poster by proving that they don't have their facts straight. I will welcome any future opportunities to point out your lack of credibility. Sincerely,Sparks[/b]

Just because YOU say my claims are erroneous reinforces my belief that you Obamaites are obsessive. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows the steel industry in this country is gone. Refineries in the U.S., gone. And slobbering all over NIPSCo because they are installing government mandated scrubbers is crazy. They would not have installed any scrubbers IF they didn't have to. Just taking your money and laughing.

As far as hinging the economy on wind farms in Lake County, let me ask you. WHERE? Not practical. Wake up and smell the coffee. Face it, hydrogen fuel cells WILL be the technology that turns it around. Hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the entire Universe. Wind and solar are not dependable.

Case closed.

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You know, BWG, I wonder if anyone has considered what will happen if millions of wind turbines are built. If you remove energy from the wind on a large scale, will it affect the climate? Seems possible to me.

I agree with you about hydrogen, and I am aware of a new technology for hydrogen generation on board vehicles that will virtually eliminate concerns about hydrogen use.

By the way, the technology is being developed by a private company WITHOUT government assistance. If there is a market for technology, someone will develop it. Hopefully the owner of the company will make more than $3 million a year.

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Admin wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Gotta love it.
First, your Messiah says (regarding lobbyists), ... "and when I am President, they won't find a job in my White House."
Then, it turns out that he really meant to say, 'Well, maybe a few, but not a whole lot, OK, guys?'

It is claimed that there is no pork in this bill.
Then, it turns out that what they really meant to say was, 'Well, maybe there's some pork, but not a lot.'
And your response is:

sparks wrote:: ... quit quibbling about provisions of the Stimulus bill that account for less than four one-thousands of a percent of the total of the bill

So, sparks, I'll make you a deal - you stop lying, we'll stop quibbling.
'kay?

.004% of $789B is roughly $30mil. No lies there.

Where in sparks post did he condemn pork in the stimulus bill? Did he make a prior post to that effect?

You know, I'm having a REALLY tough time finding where sparks could have lied. Nancy Pelosi may have lied. Barack Obama may have lied. But I just can't see where sparks lied.

Since I may be missing something, I'd like for you to show me where sparks lied. If I don't hear from you in 48 hours, take your time. You can send me a PM sometime in the next month.

-Admin

Poor phrasing on my part. I didn't mean to imply that sparks himself lied - I was speaking of Messiah apologists in general (or, as I like to refer to them - liars).

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BigWhiteGuy wrote:

sparks wrote:: If you are looking for clues, I suggest you look at my response to your erroneous claims in this post. It will give you some insight into how to embarrass a poster by proving that they don't have their facts straight. I will welcome any future opportunities to point out your lack of credibility. Sincerely,Sparks[/b]

Just because YOU say my claims are erroneous reinforces my belief that you Obamaites are obsessive. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows the steel industry in this country is gone. Refineries in the U.S., gone. And slobbering all over NIPSCo because they are installing government mandated scrubbers is crazy. They would not have installed any scrubbers IF they didn't have to. Just taking your money and laughing.

As far as hinging the economy on wind farms in Lake County, let me ask you. WHERE? Not practical. Wake up and smell the coffee. Face it, hydrogen fuel cells WILL be the technology that turns it around. Hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the entire Universe. Wind and solar are not dependable.

Case closed.

Actually, I backed up my claims with links while your erroneous opinions are just that,your opinions. Now you are claiming that because hydrogen is plentiful, it will make become a viable fuel source? The fact is that hydrogen sucks as a viable way to power cars.
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/guest/22087/
Would you buy a car that costs 10 times as much as a hybrid gasoline-electric, like the Prius? What if I told you it had half the range of the hybrid? What if I told you most cities didn't have a single hydrogen fueling station? Not interested yet? This should be the deal closer: what if I told you it wouldn't have lower greenhouse-gas emissions than the hybrid?
Other than the traditional media, which is as distracted by shiny new objects as my 16-month-old daughter, nobody should get terribly excited when a car company rolls out its wildly impractical next-generation hydrogen car. Too many miracles are required for it to be a marketplace winner.
Electric cars--and plug-in hybrid cars--have an enormous advantage over hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles in utilizing low-carbon electricity. That is because of the inherent inefficiency of the entire hydrogen fueling process, from generating the hydrogen with that electricity to transporting this diffuse gas long distances, getting the hydrogen in the car, and then running it through a fuel cell--all for the purpose of converting the hydrogen back into electricity to drive the same exact electric motor you'll find in an electric car.
The total power-plant-to-wheels efficiency with which a hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle is likely to utilize low-carbon electricity is 20 to 25 percent--and the process requires purchasing several expensive pieces of hardware, including the electrolyzer and delivery infrastructure. The total efficiency of simply charging an onboard battery with the original low-carbon electricity, and then discharging the battery to run the electric motor in an electric car or plug-in, however, is 75 to 80 percent. That is, an electric car will travel three to four times farther on a kilowatt-hour of renewable or nuclear power than a hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle will.
As I said before,it is a pleasure to expose the fact that your posts are full of hot air.

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sparks wrote:: Actually, I backed up my claims with links while your erroneous opinions are just that,your opinions. Now you are claiming that because hydrogen is plentiful, it will make become a viable fuel source? The fact is that hydrogen sucks as a viable way to power cars.
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/guest/22087/
Would you buy a car that costs 10 times as much as a hybrid gasoline-electric, like the Prius? What if I told you it had half the range of the hybrid? What if I told you most cities didn't have a single hydrogen fueling station? Not interested yet? This should be the deal closer: what if I told you it wouldn't have lower greenhouse-gas emissions than the hybrid?
Other than the traditional media, which is as distracted by shiny new objects as my 16-month-old daughter, nobody should get terribly excited when a car company rolls out its wildly impractical next-generation hydrogen car. Too many miracles are required for it to be a marketplace winner.
Electric cars--and plug-in hybrid cars--have an enormous advantage over hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles in utilizing low-carbon electricity. That is because of the inherent inefficiency of the entire hydrogen fueling process, from generating the hydrogen with that electricity to transporting this diffuse gas long distances, getting the hydrogen in the car, and then running it through a fuel cell--all for the purpose of converting the hydrogen back into electricity to drive the same exact electric motor you'll find in an electric car.
The total power-plant-to-wheels efficiency with which a hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle is likely to utilize low-carbon electricity is 20 to 25 percent--and the process requires purchasing several expensive pieces of hardware, including the electrolyzer and delivery infrastructure. The total efficiency of simply charging an onboard battery with the original low-carbon electricity, and then discharging the battery to run the electric motor in an electric car or plug-in, however, is 75 to 80 percent. That is, an electric car will travel three to four times farther on a kilowatt-hour of renewable or nuclear power than a hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle will.
As I said before,it is a pleasure to expose the fact that your posts are full of hot air.

I'm talking hydrogen fuel cells to power vehicles, homes, and industry. The technology is there, we just have to phase it in.
If you plug in a car to power it every 60 miles, you are an idiot. It would cost more than gasoline. Check your NIPSCo bill.

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Actually you are off-base in this case, Sparks. Your citation is technically correct for the case of a hydrogen fuel cell but there are alternatives to fuel cell technologies. A hydrogen hybrid internal combustion engine has been demonstrated that is extremely efficient and will be rolled out next year. It will be available as a retrofit for existing vehicles.

So, hydrogen does not "suck" as a fuel. Fuel cell technology sucks for vehicles.

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Robin Banks wrote:: Actually you are off-base in this case, Sparks. Your citation is technically correct for the case of a hydrogen fuel cell but there are alternatives to fuel cell technologies. A hydrogen hybrid internal combustion engine has been demonstrated that is extremely efficient and will be rolled out next year. It will be available as a retrofit for existing vehicles.

So, hydrogen does not "suck" as a fuel. Fuel cell technology sucks for vehicles.

The problem with hydrogen as a fuel are the inefficiences inherent in manufacturing hydrogen, transporting it and storing it in yet to be constructed fueling stations,regardless of the means of propulsion. Until you post a link to back up your claim, it is nothing more than a claim. Toyota and General Motors have both dismissed hydrogen as a viable option for powering cars and will be marketing electric vehicles within the next two years.