Gun Control

Pediatricians take on gun lobby – carefully

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To pediatricians, gun control is a public health issue, not a political one. But they're treading a fine line, and they know it.

The American Academy of Pediatrics has begun a renewed push to try to get Congress to pass gun control measures, sending more than 100 pediatricians to Capitol Hill earlier this month. But others who have taken on the issue over the past decade have a warning for them: they can run afoul of the National Rifle Association and other pro-gun groups that are quick to paint anyone who advocates for gun control as a political extremist.

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Gun advocacy groups have moved to discredit the AAP, which represents 60,000 doctors who have voted overwhelmingly to support some gun measures. One was set up specifically to do this – the Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership (DRGO). “DRGO is a nationwide network of 1,400 medical doctors, other health care professionals, scientists, and others who support the safe and lawful use of firearms for any legitimate purpose,” the group says on its website.

Founded by the pro-gun-ownership Second Amendment Foundation, DRGO says the the AAP and the American Medical Association are “motivated by deep-seated prejudice against gun owners.” “DRGO’s mission is to expose the poor medical scholarship -- and the anti-gun bias behind it -- held out as truth by organized medicine and medical journalism,” the group says.

The NRA has sponsored legislation to stop pediatricians from asking parents about guns in the home -- something that really puzzles doctors who routinely ask about other safety issues, such as using car seats and wearing helmets while riding bikes.

A federal judge struck down Florida’s 2011 law that forbade doctors to ask about guns in the home, but the NRA has sponsored similar legislation in Alabama, North Carolina, West Virginia, Minnesota, and Oklahoma.

Not surprising. The one thing the NRA and their ilk are not concerned about is saving lives.

happy jack wrote:

Yes, this should work wonders.
Moron.

http://now.msn.com/toy-gun-exchange-held-at-california-elementary-school

California elementary school holds a toy gun buyback

Charles Hill, principal of Strobridge Elementary School in Hayward, Calif., isn't a fan of toy guns or the effect he believes they have on kids. "Playing with toy guns, saying 'I'm going to shoot you,' desensitizes them, so as they get older, it's easier for them to use a real gun," he said. That's why, last Saturday, Hill organized a toy gun trade-in program at his school. In exchange for their faux firearms, kids could get free books and a shot at a new bike.

The moron here is you
You deliberately left out the last line of the story...

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As part of the safety-themed event, police officers and firefighters also came in to talk to the kids.

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

The moron here is you
You deliberately left out the last line of the story...

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As part of the safety-themed event, police officers and firefighters also came in to talk to the kids.

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The last line of the story does nothing at all to negate the underlying stupidity of believing that a toy gun buyback program accomplishes anything whatsoever, other than making some idiot feel good about himself for engaging in an entirely futile gesture.

So according to your idiotic theory the police and firefighters that showed up are idiots too,right?
Like I said...The moron here is you

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

The moron here is you
You deliberately left out the last line of the story...

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As part of the safety-themed event, police officers and firefighters also came in to talk to the kids.

[b]
The last line of the story does nothing at all to negate the underlying stupidity of believing that a toy gun buyback program accomplishes anything whatsoever, other than making some idiot feel good about himself for engaging in an entirely futile gesture.

So according to your idiotic theory the police and firefighters that showed up are idiots too,right?
Like I said...The moron here is you

The police and firefighters showing up serves an actual purpose.
The toy gun buyback serves no purpose whatsoever.
Except to an idiot.
And I see that you're all in favor of it.
'nuff said.

Kansas law thrusts Iowa insurer into gun debate

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A new Kansas law allowing gun owners to carry weapons in public buildings, including schools, has thrust a major Des Moines-based insurer into the national gun control debate.

The EMC Insurance Cos. insures 85 percent to 90 percent of all Kansas school districts and has refused to renew coverage for schools that permit teachers and custodians to carry concealed firearms on their campuses under the new law, which took effect July 1. It's not a political decision, but a financial one based on the riskier climate it estimates would be created, the insurer said.

Unlike the GOP, the insurance industry isn't able to ignore the statistics on gun control, global warming, abortion/contraception/women's healthcare, etc. and remain a profitable business.

Heretic wrote:

Kansas law thrusts Iowa insurer into gun debate

Unlike the GOP, the insurance industry isn't able to ignore the statistics on gun control, global warming, abortion/contraception/women's healthcare, etc. and remain a profitable business.

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So another conservative utopia is threatened by, of all things, the very corporations that they vow we should treat as gods. When you have to turn a profit, you see, you tend to look on these things with a rather colder eye than the conservative legislators who demand the thing merely as ideological stance; sorry, state lawmakers, but the Free Market ain't buying it. The Free Market, in its infinite and infallible wisdom, has determined that arming schoolteachers is a measurably bad idea. By the transitive property of Corporate Awesomeness, this means conservatives now have to drop that idea and come up with something less freaking insane.

Sigh. You have to be at least a little intrigued by the notion that all the public disapprobation in the world can't seem to stop these little episodes of far-right insanity, but if one of the big American corporate sectors figures it's going to cost them some money, all bets are off.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/08/1222063/-Conservative-guns-in-schools-plan-runs-afoul-of-the-insurance-industry

Heretic wrote:

Kansas law thrusts Iowa insurer into gun debate

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A new Kansas law allowing gun owners to carry weapons in public buildings, including schools, has thrust a major Des Moines-based insurer into the national gun control debate.

The EMC Insurance Cos. insures 85 percent to 90 percent of all Kansas school districts and has refused to renew coverage for schools that permit teachers and custodians to carry concealed firearms on their campuses under the new law, which took effect July 1. It's not a political decision, but a financial one based on the riskier climate it estimates would be created, the insurer said.

Unlike the GOP, the insurance industry isn't able to ignore the statistics on gun control, global warming, abortion/contraception/women's healthcare, etc. and remain a profitable business.

This puts conservatives into a real quandary because it forces them to choose between two of their core principles,the invisible hand of the free market or their love of the Second
Amendment.

Other than the fact that it makes them look like idiots, we have found another good reason for these morons to not wear their pants around their thighs.



http://homicides.suntimes.com/2013/07/02/man-running-away-from-gunman-killed-on-south-side/


Man running away from gunman killed on South Side


Posted July 2, 2013, 8:41 a.m. by Sun-Times Media Wire | 3 Comments

A gunman shot and killed an 18-year-old Morgan Park man whose pants apparently slipped down and slowed his attempt to flee.

Stephon Wright, of the 10800 block of South Racine, was sitting in a parked vehicle with two females in the 10400 block of South Green when a man in a passing car opened fire on the group about 8 p.m., authorities said.

After the initial blast of gunfire, the gunman exited his car and Wright and the two women ran in different directions, police said.

As Wright tried to run, his pants slipped down, according to a source. He was shot in the leg and collapsed to the ground as he wrestled with his pants, the source said. The gunman then shot Wright in the head before fleeing, according to the source.

Wright was taken to Roseland Community Hospital where he was pronounced dead at 8:30 p.m., according to the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office.

Alcohol & Power Tools...A bad mix,but a better outcome than a gun...
Neighbor attacks friend with chainshaw: 'They had a couple of words'

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Preston Smith was sitting outside in his Washington Heights home, drinking with a friend of more than 40 years, when the two "had a couple of words" and the friend came at him with a chainsaw, according to family and police.

Smith, 55, was badly cut on his hand and rushed to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he was undergoing surgery today in hopes of saving his fingers, according to his mother Mildred Smith.

"You can't tell him that it's going to be all right," she told reporters.

Preston and the friend were in the backyard in the 1000 block of 103rd Street when they got into an argument around 2 a.m. today, police said.

"He said they were just out there," Mildred Smith said. "One, they were drinking. And he was getting ready to leave and they had a couple of words. He went and sat in his car and he (the neighbor) came out of his backyard with a chainsaw."

Asked why the neighbor attacked her son, Mildred Smith said, "He didn't say. He just said they had a couple of words."

If the perpetrator had a gun instead of a chain saw it's very likely that Preston Smith would be dead.

OOPS: Senator Who Advocates Arming Teachers Accidentally Shoots Teacher with Rubber Bullet

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A state senator who is advocating for arming teachers in the aftermath of the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, accidentally shot a teacher with a rubber bullet during a training course, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reports.

Arkansas Sen. Jeremy Hutchinson (R) recently participated in “active shooter” training and mistakenly shot a teacher who was confronting a so-called bad guy. The experience gave Hutchinson “some pause” but failed to shake his confidence in the plan.

“The ideal would be to have a trained resource officer in every school,” Hutchinson told the paper. “The state and school districts can’t afford that.”

Yeah,so lets just arm yamheads like this idiot  What could possibly go wrong?

Iowa grants permits for blind residents to carry guns in public

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Here’s some news that has law enforcement officials and lawmakers scratching their heads:

Iowa is granting permits to acquire or carry guns in public to people who are legally or completely blind.

For freedom. Without restriction.

Here's to hoping that Jesus and the Constitution turn said individuals into blind, gun wielding ninjas a la the Book of Eli when they decide to "stand their ground" vs what they perceive as a threat. And here's to hoping you or your children aren't in the vicinity if they don't.

America. Totally not gun crazy. At all.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/09/2589881/3-year-shot-dead-yellowstone-congress-permits-guns-parks/
Another victim of the NRA's campaign to increase gun violence.
For the first time since 1978, someone has died of a gunshot wound in Yellowstone National Park. And for the first time since 1938, the victim was a child, a 3-year-old Idaho girl who shot herself with her father’s handgun this weekend, only three years after Congress legalized guns in national parks.

sparks wrote:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/09/2589881/3-year-shot-dead-yellowstone-congress-permits-guns-parks/
Another victim of the NRA's campaign to increase gun violence.
For the first time since 1978, someone has died of a gunshot wound in Yellowstone National Park. And for the first time since 1938, the victim was a child, a 3-year-old Idaho girl who shot herself with her father’s handgun this weekend, only three years after Congress legalized guns in national parks.

Sparks,Despite what misleading,propaganda spouting, loony tune gun psychos would like us to believe,that precious 3 year old child would still be alive if guns were still banned in National parks.  No gun = No death.

Heretic wrote:

Iowa grants permits for blind residents to carry guns in public

Stephen Colbert weighs in...

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

sparks wrote:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/09/2589881/3-year-shot-dead-yellowstone-congress-permits-guns-parks/
Another victim of the NRA's campaign to increase gun violence.
For the first time since 1978, someone has died of a gunshot wound in Yellowstone National Park. And for the first time since 1938, the victim was a child, a 3-year-old Idaho girl who shot herself with her father’s handgun this weekend, only three years after Congress legalized guns in national parks.

Sparks,Despite what misleading,propaganda spouting, loony tune gun psychos would like us to believe,that precious 3 year old child would still be alive if guns were still banned in National parks.  No gun = No death.

Someone prone to unsafe gun handling could likely also be prone to disregarding laws prohibiting guns in a national park.

No matter how many "weasel words" you use, that statement is nothing more than pure speculation.

happy jack wrote:

Scorpion wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

sparks wrote:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/09/2589881/3-year-shot-dead-yellowstone-congress-permits-guns-parks/
Another victim of the NRA's campaign to increase gun violence.
For the first time since 1978, someone has died of a gunshot wound in Yellowstone National Park. And for the first time since 1938, the victim was a child, a 3-year-old Idaho girl who shot herself with her father’s handgun this weekend, only three years after Congress legalized guns in national parks.

Sparks,Despite what misleading,propaganda spouting, loony tune gun psychos would like us to believe,that precious 3 year old child would still be alive if guns were still banned in National parks.  No gun = No death.

Someone prone to unsafe gun handling could likely also be prone to disregarding laws prohibiting guns in a national park.

No matter how many "weasel words" you use, that statement is nothing more than pure speculation.

Of course it's nothing more than speculation, as is the statement to which I was responding:

Despite what misleading,propaganda spouting, loony tune gun psychos would like us to believe,that precious 3 year old child would still be alive if guns were still banned in National parks.  No gun = No death.

Um, no.  That's not speculation.  That's undeniably true.  No gun = No death is pretty definitive. If the gun wasn't taken to the park, then the child wouldn't have been killed.

Saying "Oh well. he would have brought the gun in anyway" is really a stretch, Jack.