The Immigration Law in AZ....

http://www.reuters.com/article/comments/idUSTRE63O21720100425

One cop summed it up best:

Look LIBS, I’m a cop IN Arizona. Nothing will change. We don’t go profile hispanics now, and we won’t just because of this law. It will not change the way we do business. When we come across illegals now, we call border patrol. If border patrol takes longer than 20 minutes to get to me and handle I have to let them go. Now we will be able to take action without border patrol. That’s it. We stop people for traffic violations and crimes, not skin color. What’s the big deal anyway? You’re already required to carry your driver’s license when you drive, and green card and border crosser card holders are already REQUIRED to have them in possession at all times. Nothing changes except what what we do after we have already stopped them for some other legal reason. And for the LIBS that will respond that AZ cops are racist and dirt, keep in mind, we have A LOT of Hispanic officers that support this law. Quit over reacting.

Now I'm gonna hear how Reuters is worse than CNN which is worse than Fox...but I'm gonna take a cop's word over these illegals.

I wish this would pass in all the states. Sheriff Brown said, less crime, less free-bees, less naturalized citizen, less people in line at ERs' and more jobs for us. Not his exact words, but darn, he is right. It must be awful in AZ and Texas that it's come to this. Five requests by the AZ gov, all ignorned and I admire her more than the POTUS that ignores problems at home. You only see him campaigning and attending MINERS' funerals, as if he is in "touch". Then we have Al Sharpton flying to AZ to condone the illegals where we have no money for our own kids born here by generations that went by the rules. The USA is screwed up until we find fit leaders...if you think they are bad now...wait until you find less than 50 percent graduate nationwide from H.S. but still get in, because of their "dads or moms". That's what is wrong with America. I hate to see it go, but unless they call the troops back (WWII took less time), we're doomed from unsecured borders. We'll no longer be America. You can see it already...illegals demanding rights while breaking laws.

So sorry you came here illegally and had a family that a stupid law allowed them to become natural citizens. Repeal the law, pack them home. If they are so proud of their heritage...stay where you came from. I'm personally sick of seeing squat parts of towns/cities slapped with Mexican signs that make the neighborhood look like Tiquana. Go back where you came from. My corner store gave me food poisoning...from homemade dip....God knows how long it was in there...Hammond care? Hell no. Say good-bye to another nice little store you try to patronize but get sick because you don't know when they made the stuff.

And when they leave, inspectors, make sure they take those slapped on signs with them. Otherwise, I'll paint the windows black. jUST KIDDING.

I think I've seen 7 stores come and leave on one corner since 2005.

My question is...would you be able to walk in ANY country, including MEXICO, and DEMAND what they DEMAND from our country?

In Mexico, you would get thrown in the slammer. Here, they can kill a Rancher protecting his own property. And don't think for a minute it is just Mexico...we have Cuba coming in, we have people swarming from Poland through Canada...and I am not prejudiced - just follow the damn rules. We need our country confined, and take our troops out of foreign countries, and let the cartels kill each other.

Protect our borders, we wouldn't have these problems. The problems are, they invaded us from South America, through Mexico, and on and on it goes. We can't afford to fight for other countries when our own is in dire needs. What part of illegal do they not know?

Where is the POTUS when something this critical happens in our own nation?

We're protecting more people overseas while we had more mass-murder/drug-related deaths in one week last week, than they did in Afghanistan. Stop it, pull out, tell the world to deal with their own problems, and kick these illegals who have no right to protest, back to Mexico, and send the bill for expenses.

Do something - don't give us an "image" of your philosophies, Obama, show us your walk that you talk. Back AZ up, and enforce it in all states, we can't afford them. Not medically, not anything, not to mention the violence. What's it take to wake you up without your wife rubbing that rubber duckie?

Here are just a couple of comments out of thousands, that I agree with:




Apr 25, 2010 8:29pm EDTSo, the protestors are demanding Obama help them resist and break state law, which is consistent with federal law. And Obama is more than happy to help!

(sarcasm) nice!

JustAGuy Report As Abusive Apr 25, 2010 8:39pm EDTThe signs the women are holding up in the above picture should say “We have special rights” as all US woman do have them….

WhoCaresFU Report As Abusive Apr 25, 2010 8:40pm EDTI am 100% Cuban-American. My father came to the U.S. from Cuba when he was 13 years old, legally. It’s shameful to see so many of my fellow hispanics cry racism over this bill. The only people that stand to be hurt are those here illegally, as they should be. Illegal immigrants bring our country down not because of their race, but because of how they use our services but don’t pay into the system, how they distort the costs of labor, how they spread foreign beliefs and ideals throughout our great nation. I am proud of my Cuban culture and heritage, and I practice and celebrate it, but within the context of the American culture. America gave me opportunity, Cuba did not. Socialism is a perfect example of a belief being brought to us by foreigners, an un-American belief spreading throughout America. We need to sympathize with these people? I do, and there are millions of other people throughout the world equally or more desrving of our sympathy as well. Can we take them all in? Should we? Is it my responsibility to support the child of another? Do we make it OK to let the poor person rob and steal (break the law) because he is poor? We welcome anyone that wants to come here and partake in the blessings of America, but when you come to our house, you got to follow the house rules…

The_Capitalist Report As Abusive Apr 25, 2010 8:42pm EDTwhat these folks don’t seem to get is that,if you are here IL-legally, you HAVE NO RIGHTS. there is no country in the world, including mexico, where you can just waltz in and say that you live there now without going through a legal procedure. it is long past time to crack down and send all illegals back to their countries of origin. if they want to come back, they can apply to do so LEGALLY.

I've said enough. I've lived through it...when my landlady was sent away (in Hegewisch) I took care of that house, cleaned her stuff out, her renter aboves' stuff, and did a lot of cleaning. A kind-hearted Mexican man re-did the place, putting in a lot of sweat and tears.

Only to land illegals from Mexico that once they met me, tried to sell me shoes, underwear, etc. The floors were re-done, every room was repainted, things were fixed up. When I met them, they immediately tried to sell me shoes, underwear, etc., and within two weeks, mattresses strewn all over the place including bedroom furiture in my landlady's house she inherited from her mom. A year later, the place was boarded up, along with the house next door that was bought by black people.

Apparently, they did not get along, and threw garbage outside the window into each others' yards.

The houses have been boarded up for 6 years or maybe 5. No one paid their rent...and a once, well kept neighborhood, where I mowed the grass, pulled the weeds, kept my landlady in check, and you could eat off our floors...those houses are now boarded up. Weeds overtook her once beautiful lawn and flowers.

Businesses are gone.. once a Polish-pride neighborhood....I had to change banks to keep from going there. We need to close all the borders. The girl who got pregnant by a guy with tons of money, he found out he wasn't the father of the two girls. She's still living with him, now in Hammond in the projects by Hohman Avenue over the bridge from Stracks. She gets to collect child support from the state while he makes 32.00 an hour at work and belongs to a gang. (Hearsay, but I believe it.....). The girl can't read past 2nd grade, and her whole family is using her name on 106th and Torrence, Mexicans to collect welfare, as if she lives with them. Oh, I'll be turning them in, give me time.

I'm not done yet.



Apr 25, 2010 9:27pm EDTBigotry and hatred? Yes, if feeling that every nation should have respected boundaries and sovereignty is bigotry and hateful, then yes if that is your definition then the law is based on bigotry and hatred. If after waiting in line patiently for over 5 years, learning English and American history and government and laws, treasuring the time that the Judge swears you in and you are given the American naturalization papers, but people all around you cut in line and you feel angry? Is that bigotry and hatred? If it is then I am proudly a Bigot and filled with hatred. Get in line like the rest of us legal, LEGAL, that is L-E-G-A-L immigrants, or get your asses arrested, kicked out of the U.S.A. and forever banned from applying. What is it obout the English language word ILLEGAL that gives so many people problems understanding it? If they can’t understand such basic English they should not be here in the first place. The only amnesty should be given is that if you are out of the country before you get arrested you may apply like the rest of us LEGAL U.S. Immigration citizenship applicants , I believe the wait is worth it and makes you appreciate this great country!


Afterburner Apr 25, 2010 9:30pm EDTWhat Arizona should do is offer illegals a free bus ride and $100 cash for a ride to White House, Capital Building and Times Square, and front door of NYT. Drop thousands of illegals off at the entrances of the centers of power and see how the VIPs like to have the illegal problem dumped on their doorstep.

UncleSam101 Apr 25, 2010 9:31pm EDTLet’s get rid of the illegal running America.

UncleSam101 Report As Apr 25, 2010 9:48pm EDTI’ve lived in Central Phoenix since 1969 and have seen the city be at certain times be over-run with ILLEGAL ALIENS.

They mostly come from MEXICO but there are many others from Central or South America.

They overwhelm the emergency rooms, belong to street gangs and commit the worst types of crime, drive crappy cars without the mandatory insurance, blast their “music” at all hours, have big beer parties several nights a week leaving a hundred empty Budweiser cans scattered around the neighborhood and that’s just for starters.

Now Rep Gutierrez from the corrupt state of illinois sticks his nose in our business and says he doesn’t like it.
Tuff noogies – go back to to your own corrupt state and clean that up.

Then the purple lipped keynan pipes in and tells us we need reform….right on barry. Show us that you’re a US born citizen and we’ll talk about it.
Why’d you spend >$1,000,000 to hide your birth records? What ‘cha covering up?


Activist Garcia from Tucson – so this is unconstitutional and racist?? ILLEGAL CRIMINAL TRESPASSERS HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! And any time its convienient, the lefties pull out their favorite buzzwords. Ramon’s is now calling us racists. Well guess what Ramon? When the brown or black or white or yellow or pink or purple people do bad things then we get to call them names. It’s called FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Check out the U. S. Constitution. That one’s right is up there in the front.


Way to go Gov Brewer and Sheriff Arpaio.
Keep up the good work! Patriots like you are doing what the federal government should be doing.

And, what do you suppose would happen if WE did this in Mexico?

This is why I refuse to eat refried beans...it reminds me of you know what.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36778647/from/RSS/

What PART do they not understand? The cops are NOT going to do anything different, except if you are found without your green card, license, as we are required to carry registration, license, and what-not, you are committing a crime. If you don't carry it with you, then you need to fear.

If you don't carry all the above, including insurance on your car/vehicle, you are subjected to the same laws as a naturalized citizen. We go to jail...you guys just need a green card and quit your drug trafficiting.

In Chicago Heights, IL alone, it carries a heavy weight detail of everyday crime. All are almost illegals, drugs found, no registration, no insurance, no green card, expired/revoked license. My god, go HOME. At least they don't bother you there. We need our USA back. NOW, not later. Joliet has the same problem when it comes to illegals. Now they are shooting innocent kids in what was once nice neighborhoods. Slapping signs in Spanish, no English on corner stores, or even bigger stores. Go home and fertilize your food with your "refried beans". Go!!!!!

I have a lot of Hispanic, Italian, Polish, Mexican friends. But they all speak English, abide by the rules and their parents did what was right.

Go home, and kill each other. Just don't do it here.

Well, outside of Hammond or FreeTime , obviously, nothing arouses this board. Adios!

UrRight wrote:

Now I'm gonna hear how Reuters is worse than CNN which is worse than Fox...

No. What you're going to hear is that random commenters on any news site are totally irrelevant.

Any commenter can claim that they are an officer of the law. There is no reason to believe that this commenter is actually a cop. I find it especially ironic that you accused me of being a troll, yet you blindly accept the opinion and "credentials" of commenters from any source at all?

I guess as long as you agree with them, it's OK.

Here is the link to the actual article from Reuters...

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63O21720100425

I think the new Arizona law is a good one - bet it will be hard to enforce.

You know this is a bad law when even immigration wingnut in chief Tom Tancredo says "it's too radical"....
AZ Immigration Law Goes Too Far For Tom Tancredo

Quote :

Former Congressman Tom Tancredo -- the same guy who said we should send the president back to Kenya and said a Supreme Court nominee is part of the "Latino KKK" -- said this weekend that the new Arizona immigration law goes a little too far.

"If I had anything to say about it, we'd be doing it in Colorado," Tancredo told Denver news station KDVR. But, he said, "I do not want people here, there in Arizona, pulled over because you look like should be pulled over."

KarenT wrote:

I think the new Arizona law is a good one - bet it will be hard to enforce.

Yeah. Well IMHO, it's a poorly thought out solution to the problem. There are so many things wrong with it that frankly, I don't even know where to start...

But here's some food for thought. If you were an undocumented immigrant, would you report any crime that you witnessed to the police? What would be your options if your daughter was raped, even if she was an American citizen? Would you even feel comfortable reporting that to the authorities?

Should we treat people who have been here for 30 years (illegally) and paid their taxes the same way that we treat a drug smuggler or a criminal who is here illegally?

As I understand it, this law also makes it a crime to even help someone who is undocumented. What's a priest or a doctor supposed to do if any Hispanic person asks for help? Check their papers? If they don't have them, should they turn the person over to the authorities? Should we prosecute the clergy and medical professionals if they don't?

We had a chance to fix this problem permanently when President Bush and many in Congress urged the passage of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill. But the same people who now claim that the Federal government refuses to deal with the problem opposed immigration reform and killed the Reform Bill.

Scorpion wrote:

As I understand it, this law also makes it a crime to even help someone who is undocumented. What's a priest or a doctor supposed to do if any Hispanic person asks for help? Check their papers? If they don't have them, should they turn the person over to the authorities? Should we prosecute the clergy and medical professionals if they don't?

Both Clergy and Doctors can refuse to help in any investigation. Under current law, Doctors cannot reveal any information on a patient without consent. Clergy of course can exercise their rights as well. Neither profession are compelled to say anything.

What part of "ILLEGAL" don't you understand, Scorp?

It's a federal law...AZ has a half million illegals. The rancer known to feed them...and help them..the cartel killed. Many police/border controllers got slain trying to protect AZ.

what you probably don't know is that the gov. of AZ wrote five letters after calling, speaking to the POTUS that they needed at least 8.000 National Guards there; it was getting out of hand. None of her 5 letters requesting help were answered by the Chicago-Machine POTUS.

there is a Federal law out there. The difference is...in AZ as in any state, if you arrest an illegal for a traffic violation, discover they don't have a right to even be in this country, in AZ, instead of holding the illegal, costing more money for FEDS to deport them, they now have a right to deploy them right away. Nothing else changes.

If there is a half-million illegals in AZ, and your state is number two in kidnappings, killings, and home invasion because of lax border controls, what would you do...just sit there and wait for the POTUS to enact and address a serious problem? Most are senior citizens living there. They by-God, killed a rancher knowing he fed them, despite the fact he knew it was wrong. He was human.

The best thing I quoted was how if all 50 states enacted this same thing...which we should, we would be able to cut out the Spanish to English kids that enter pre-K or K. We would get rid of the cartels that are now evading our country...22,000 people in Mexico have been killed because of the cartels.

What part do people not understand? Should we allow the Muslims, the Jews, the Turkeys the Cubans, everyone that wants to live in America just come here and demand their "rights" when we can't even get them, paying into the system?

I admonish the POTUS for not even leading in everything he claimed he would do. He leaves it to the dogs...and goes on TV saying he "hopes they do a good job". What a POS POTUS.

Can you imagine if we went to Mexico, demanded their resorts, the rights to live there, pay no taxes, expect them to pay our way? You can't ever go to any country without hanging on to those passports, visas, etc. Here in the U.S. ? They are demoralizing our nation, and they are asking for the rights we so long fought for. Cross the border from Mexico you are entitled? Try it the other way around, and find yourself behind bars.

I beg you to read the SouthStar.com everyday, and the HeraldNews.com, and read the police blotters. All ILLEGALS without drivers' license, insurance, and registration. Busted, cuz they can't read English or know the rules of the road.

Never in my life have I read so many illegals being arrested for causing accidents, driving drunk, no insurance, no registration, no license...even in Joliet.

You want that? Then agree with those idiots that multiply like cockroaches.

We need to band together in the USA like the teabeggers did, and let our politicians (mostly crooked anyway), that "NO MORE!" No more having babies here, that naturalize them. If the parents are not legal, the kid isn't. Then send them home and send the bill to the POTOMexico.

They are draining our resources. Imagine how much we will save in insurance, car insurance, because they can't even get a driver's license. Imagine how much we will save in welfare, medical and food stamps. It's our way out. If the FEDS won't do it....the states should have a back-bone like AZ.

AZ asked for help, got crap from Obama. Then the media picks up on "racial" crap. I don't care if you are from Sweden...if you don't have your papers, get the hell out. I get thrown in jail if I don't show a license...what makes this group come to America and claim the same rights without following the laws?

Last night (it was on the news), an ambulance was trying to maneuver through a protest crowd, and a car was in the way in AZ. The cops ultimately turned their lights on, pulling the car over so the ambulance could go through. Everyone with a license in America knows that is what you do...pull over in the right lane or shoulder, allowing cops, ambulances, etc., through. The car finally pulls over...and the cop on tv said, normally, you stay in your car..but this driver "got out and ran". The hood popped up...there were nine illegals inside the vehicle but two in the trunk." This is an everyday occurance....

We asked for 8,000 National Guard units to help us, he said..."that's all we wanted". "We're #2 in the U.S. with illegals kidnapping, killing, drug infestation, cartels and etc." All we're asking for is help. We are not profiling..." We're doing just exactly what we always have been doing, except the problem has gotten out of hand....all we want is more help."

And you wonder why every city is ridden with gangs, huh, people? All 50 states should shun the POTUS and tell him "we can handle it ourselves!" Look at the police blotters in Chicago Heights...100% Mexican/Latino violators driving around with no insurance, no registration, no license...no green card. Why? Cuz they are illegal. What's it costing us? Unbelievable amount of money for child welfare, incarnation, etc.

Then look at the HeraldNews.com...same problem...many on the east side of Joliet consist of illegals...but they wait in line for food stamps, free food, and what not. Not a word of English can you hear.

I'm totally sick of it, and I'm going to find a way to get every state in this USA involved in enforcing the Federal law.

The state law AZ enacted enables them to deport them right away, not waiting for FEDS to show up. Hit it on, straight on.

They are the ones taking America away from us. 22,000 people got killed in Mexico over drugs, and it's spilling in over AZ...you have a beef with that?

Scorpion wrote:

KarenT wrote:

I think the new Arizona law is a good one - bet it will be hard to enforce.

Yeah. Well IMHO, it's a poorly thought out solution to the problem. There are so many things wrong with it that frankly, I don't even know where to start...

But here's some food for thought. If you were an undocumented immigrant, would you report any crime that you witnessed to the police? What would be your options if your daughter was raped, even if she was an American citizen? Would you even feel comfortable reporting that to the authorities?

That's a stupid comment....they get free rides even when they are not raped. Most read at second grade level, hook up with a guy that makes $32.00 an hour, and still claim child support. I have proof. I also have proof of an ex-neighbor living in the projects in Hammond, collecting SSA Disability, while she was collecting 700 a month in child support...her turn will come. There's a whole lot of shitz out there you don't know about. I know..The girl who lives with the iron worker that had two different kids by two different fathers...lives off the father and with the father in the HUD bldg. He's also a gang-banger....but what the heck, we need to support that gal, and the family on 106th and Torrence Avenue that uses her as living there instead of where she really lives. Medicaid paid for her deliveries and the real fathers have nothing to do with her. Sigh..

Should we treat people who have been here for 30 years (illegally) and paid their taxes the same way that we treat a drug smuggler or a criminal who is here illegally? YES! Once discovered, go home, see the above statement. They have children that multiply like cockroaches.
As I understand it, this law also makes it a crime to even help someone who is undocumented. What's a priest or a doctor supposed to do if any Hispanic person asks for help? Check their papers? If they don't have them, should they turn the person over to the authorities? Should we prosecute the clergy and medical professionals if they don't?

No, treat them as human beings, but give them a plane ticket back home, and NO citizenship for the kid born in the USA, if the parents are illegal. That will end the big bills from Medicaid!

We had a chance to fix this problem permanently when President Bush and many in Congress urged the passage of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill. But the same people who now claim that the Federal government refuses to deal with the problem opposed immigration reform and killed the Reform Bill.

Yeah, well, now is the time to "FIX IT". People are fed up. The number of illegals are tremendous. Unless you love the gang-banging, paying for Medicaid, food stamps, housing vouchers...go ahead and complain...but they just broke news yesterday that two big shots with big businesses got arrested in (HeraldNews.com) for hiring illegals, withdrawing 9.800 a month thinking the IRS wouldn't get suspicious, because it was under 10,000.00, paying under the table to illegals to clean out warehouses for them. Guess who lost? Both - the two big shots lost their firms, and the illegals are under indictment to be deployed. There are so many comments on that story - mostly reflecting how true citizens would have stood in line for those jobs....but the two butt-heads thought they were saving money by hiring illegals and paying less and no taxes.

Now they are out of business, and that shows you why Americans are fed up. We need those jobs...we need those taxes paid out of paychecks. If you want a link, I'll post it...right now...I'm pizzed off as hell. You can see the news on the www.suntimes.com. If that will make it easier for you. I'm sick of people worshipping the POTUS, and stuff like this happens right under his nose, and off to Iowa he goes...and he always comes back so "disappointed" in what Congress comes up with....for anything. My theory is...he's too stupid to know how to relate to them without a speech writer or teleprompter. He is not smart enough to be a POTUS and doesn't want to reveal it. It's all rehearsed speach when he talks. It's not from the heart. At least former POTUS' any of them, spoke from the heart, with intelligence, without a teleprompter, to show their true-blue colors, even if they mispelled potatoes.

This POTUS is all about being sight-seeing. Hasn't a clue on nothing. NOTHING. My daughter could run the world better.

With the questions you asked, Scorpion, I believe you are an ILLEGAL! Otherwise you wouldn't be asking those questions. Illegal means you are illegal. The only difference now, is, you may not have the same priviledges you enjoyed before.

Priests have nothing to do with anything. Law enforcement...once you make a tiny mistake in driving, we now have a right to ask for your green card or whatever. You gotta be an illegal.

If a cop pulls you over because you don't know the rules of the road, couldn't pass cuz you didn't learn English, apply legally, and were so stupid as to not know to pull to the right or left to allow emergency vehiles pass (even cops pursuing someone, or helping someone on the side of the road), and you get chased after to clear the way, the cop finds you running when you are to stay in your seat, and then finds 9 illegals sitting in the vehicle, and 2 in the trunk, you want sympathy?

Go to Mexico where you can drive 20 Hunchos in the back of the van and get away with a few falling off from too much Tequila or a couple of shots from a gun. Go back! We don't want to live like YOU! Scorp...obviously, you have a streak of illegalness in you. I can see right through your posts.

When you are legal, America welcomes you. When you are here illegally, and demand rights we don't even get...go back home and live with your gov't. And try and make your country like America, otherwise, you would not have this problem.

You can't live with the gangbangers, yet you produce them and bring them here? Go home.

UrRight wrote:

With the questions you asked, Scorpion, I believe you are an ILLEGAL! Otherwise you wouldn't be asking those questions. Illegal means you are illegal. The only difference now, is, you may not have the same priviledges you enjoyed before.

Are you out of your freaking mind? Scorpion beats you to a pulp on every single one of your nutty claims and your response is that he's an illegal? Scorpion knows more about the Constitution and government in general than you could ever hope to. I hope you will rethink your accusation and apologize. Tom Tancredo and now Arizona Senate candidate Marco Rubio who's a die hard conservative both oppose this law and share his position. You think they're illegals too?

UrRight wrote:

With the questions you asked, Scorpion, I believe you are an ILLEGAL! Otherwise you wouldn't be asking those questions. Illegal means you are illegal. The only difference now, is, you may not have the same priviledges you enjoyed before.

I really don't care what you "believe." First you accuse me of being a troll, and now you accuse me of being an "illegal?" Give me a frickin break!

The simple fact of the matter is that there are roughly 12 million undocumented immigrants in this country. While I agree that the situation is unacceptable, IMHO, it's just not possible or desirable to round up 12 million people and throw them out of the country.

BTW, your constant denigration of children of "illegals" born in this country is clearly at odds with the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html

Quote :

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

If a person is born here, they are a citizen.

I was just messin' with ya, Scorp!

Here is what illegal aliens have caused in California:

Thu Mar 18, 2010 09:40 pm PDT Report Abuse
From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

Arizona doesn't want the same problems and ACTUALLY WANTS TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE.

Scorpion wrote:

We had a chance to fix this problem permanently when President Bush and many in Congress urged the passage of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill. But the same people who now claim that the Federal government refuses to deal with the problem opposed immigration reform and killed the Reform Bill.

It's the usual hypocrisy I've come to expect from the teabagger crowd.

Ed Brayton wrote:

Amusingly, the conservatives love giving the police the power to ask anyone they want for their papers -- a rather haunting and creepy practice reminiscent of the old Soviet Union -- while simultaneously screaming about wanting "smaller government."

Classy.

I'm all for reform, but this simply isn't practical (and possibly unconstitutional). It will most likely flood the courts with lawsuits alleging racial profiling and discrimination at the same time citizens sue police depts for not enforcing the new law. Since this virtually ensures that illegals will be even less willing to talk to the police, it will hinder criminal investigations, prosecutions, and even the reporting of crimes. Since illegals are less likely to commit crimes than citizens, this doesn't seem to be very cost effective.

I'm reminded of an article I posted back on the Times board, one that detailed what was essentially an underground railroad funded by corporations in order to smuggle their cheap labor into the country. I still thank that the best way to try and fix this would be to destroy the demand for cheap, illegal labor.

UrRight wrote:

I was just messin' with ya, Scorp!

Here is what illegal aliens have caused in California:

Thu Mar 18, 2010 09:40 pm PDT Report Abuse
From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

Arizona doesn't want the same problems and ACTUALLY WANTS TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE.

You never get tired of regurgitating the same old nonsense that has been proven to be mostly fiction,do you?
List of Facts and Figures about Illegal Immigration-Mostly Fiction!

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Summary of the eRumor:
The eRumor claims to have a list of alarming facts about Illegal immigration.
The Truth:
Illegal immigration is a significant issue for Americans and deserves attention, but whoever authored this eRumor did not help his or her cause. Most of the figures are either difficult to prove or don't match known facts. Some seem to be fabricated. A couple actually proved their point even better than the statistics quoted.

Some versions say the figures are from the Los Angeles Times (which is not true). Others say they are statistics from the FBI (which is not true either).

One of the challenges with this topic is that illegal immigrants are somewhat invisible to statistics. They are living underground and the best figures about illegal immigrants are mostly based on deductions from those who are either in professional positions working with immigrant issues or doing research on immigration. None of the estimates should be considered the last word on illegal immigration and the figures we found sometimes varied widely.

Your Money for Immigration Overhaul
April 28, 2010 - 12:55 AM | by: William La Jeunesse
Comprehensive immigration reform and "pathway to citizenship" are Washington-speak for legalizing the roughly 12 million illegal immigrants currently living in the United States. And at a time of high unemployment and mounting federal debt, one important component is the legislation's impact on the federal budget.

According to studies from both the left and the right, an estimated 40 percent to 60 percent of illegal immigrants don't have high school diplomas, compared to about 15 percent of American adults. Illegal immigrants typically work in low-wage careers, such as housework, food service, gardening and construction, earning roughly $15,000 to $30,000 a year.

In some cases, those wages would qualify them for social welfare programs like food stamps, Medicaid and refundable tax credits -- programs that you don't need to pay federal income tax to qualify for.

CLICK HERE FOR TAX CALCULATOR ON IMMIGRATION

The latest immigration bill hasn't been scored yet by the Congressional Budget Office, but many of the components are similar to those in the failed 2007 immigration bill, which would have cost an estimated $30 billion over five years, including $20 billion for enforcement measures. The CBO also said the 2007 bill would have added $15 billion to the federal deficit.

FoxNews.com's latest taxpayer calculator estimates how much someone in your income range would have paid on average under the 2007 bill.

People earning under $15,000 would have paid an estimated $1.27 over five years. The same average for those making $30,000 to $50,000k would be $48. The bill would have cost Americans bringing home $100,000 to $200,000 an average of $365 over five years, or $73 a year.

Staffers and sources on Capitol Hill say that, like the 2007 bill, the latest legislation would require citizenship applicants to learn English and pay a fine, but it also may contain a "touch back" provision – in which people would go to their home countries to register but would be allowed to "wait in line" while working in the U.S. with visas.

The conservative Heritage Foundation says comprehensive immigration reform will cost U.S. taxpayers much more -- about $90 billion a year, once low-skilled immigrants are fully legalized. The organization says these immigrants will receive an average of $3 to $4 in benefits for every $1 paid in taxes.

“If you are adding millions and millions of very poorly educated people into the welfare system, into Social Security and Medicare, you are going to have a huge expansion of government costs,” says Robert Rector, a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation.


This should have been first on the list for Obama; tackling the costs of healthcare by reforming and ordering all illegals out of the country.

There would be less spent on tax credits, child-care, medicaid, food stamps. That would bring the actual figures down quite a bit on what is actually spent on covering even illegals with a work permit.

Then use those figures to proceed with the health care reform.

They are a drain on our country. I personally know someone (a long ago friend of my son) who is here illegally, and somehow he got a job in South Holland at a manufacturing place. That's great, except he doesn't have a soc. sec. number. so bought one.

Meanwhile he has a baby girl by another illegal. She the mother, is living in HUD housing, but is on drugs, has a criminal record, and the baby girl was found in the middle of the street and was taken away from her by the father and his illegal family.

The family now receives vouchers for a home, food stamps, WIC. public aid, food stamps and medicaid. Even though the father makes at least 15.00 an hour. That was like 4 years ago when I last saw either of them.

Plus, now he qualifies for a tax break, for working while having the kid; grammaw gets paid by the state to babysit. How is that good?

It cost more to even allow them to work here on a working visa. No other country will allow you to even walk without your papers. So why are we stalling on this? Racial profile? Hell, it's illegal. no matter what race you are. No other country puts up with this. If our gov't was so smart, they'd get to the root of why medical is so sky high and that involves free medical for people that do not have a right to drive without a license, speak English so they can read the signs on the road, etc.,

I could go on and on. Just read the crime reports from Joliet and Chicago Heights, IL. Almost a page full of illegals driving without insurance, license, and registration. All because they don't use turn signals, can't read one-way street signs, and they also usually get found with drugs. If they wanted to really raid a city full of illegals...start with Chicago Heights, then move over to Sauk Village, then check out Joliet, then swarm E.C. We all know they exist in Chicago, a cesspool.

My source for the above article: www.foxnews.com almost every news channel. People are over reacting about this "law". 99% is already Federal. The one percent allows the cops to automatically deport them, rather than wait for the FEDS to come in a timely manner. When the FEDS didn't show up, the arrest was for nothing.

All it is the same thing we go through when we get pulled over for a traffic violation....except if they recognize or see an unusual number of people in the car, or suspect they are illegal and caught in the act of crime, they have a right to ask for papers.

You can't even go on a beach in Mexico without carrying your papers. Go home you illegals...

If you think this is so bad...what about those hikers that accidently crossed the border in Iran or Korea, wherever it is? They're still in jail a year later. So we're accused of being "tough". That's why our country is not secure - we have these gang-bangers killing anybody for any reason.

Bill Would Prevent Mortgage Fraud by Illegal Aliens
Thursday February 18, 2010
A U.S. Congressman from Texas has just introduced a bill intended to prevent mortgage fraud by illegal aliens.
The Mortgage E-Verify Act, introduced by Rep. Kenny Marchant (R, Texas 24th), would require that the identity of all applicants for new or modified mortgages held by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac or insured by the FHA, be confirmed through the E-Verify program of the Department of Homeland Security.

"My bill will potentially save millions by cutting down on fraudulent claims from illegal immigrants and protect taxpayers from subsidizing the restructuring or renegotiation mortgages of illegal immigrants," said Rep. Marchant in a press release.

Marchant cites Treasury Department data showing that incidents of mortgage fraud increased an estimated 1,411 percent from 1997 to 2005. "Furthermore, two-thirds of fraud reports in the last decade are due to falsified statements on loan documents," he noted. "My bill would curb these abuses and protect the taxpayers."


There was a major case in Nevada where a mortgage company branch manager conspired to manufacture and submit false employment and income documentation for borrowers, most of whom were illegal immigrants. Fifty-eight of the 233 fraudulent FHA loans totaling $6.2 million have, not surprisingly, gone into default, costing HUD nearly $2 million. The branch manager was found guilty on 32 counts of submitting false information to HUD, and one count of conspiracy. -- U.S. Rep. Kenny Marchant press release.

The FBI defines mortgage fraud as "a material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission relied upon by an underwriter or lender to fund, purchase, or insure a loan."

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2010/02/18/bill-would-prevent-mortgage-fraud-by-illegal-aliens.htm

I suppose you'll argue with this gov't site, Artie.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/

Other countries don't come near the tolerance of what the USA puts up with!

April 28, 2010
Categories:Envoys,Hillary Clinton ,Iran,Secretary of State,United Nations,White House.Clinton to meet families of hikers held by Iran
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will meet with the families of three American hikers being held by Iran at the State Department today.

The families of Shane Bauer, 27, Joshua Fattal, 27, and Sarah Shourd, 31, are also going to meet with White House officials, including the National Security Council's Dennis Ross and Puneet Talwar, an administration official confirmed.

The meetings come as the families of the detained hikers are working with the U.S. government and international leaders to step up public calls for Iran to release them and as top U.S. and Iranian officials are due to attend a month long international nonproliferation conference in New York.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki is leading an Iranian delegation that will participate in a review conference on the Non-Proliferation Treaty convening in New York next week and last most of the month of May. Clinton will speak at the opening of the NPT Review Conference next week.

On Wednesday, South African retired Archbishop and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Desmond Tutu also called on Iran to release the three former University of California Berkeley students, who were detained by Iranian authorities last July after accidentally wandering over the border while hiking in northern Iraq.

Swiss diplomats who were allowed to meet with the three in Tehran's Evin prison last week reported that Shourd and Bauer are suffering from serious medical problems and depression. Their Iranian lawyer has never been allowed to meet with them, reports said.

Iranian officials have said they will try the hikers for being spies but have not charged them. U.S. officials have said the accusation is baseless.

"These three Americans -- innocent tourists in Iraq’s Kurdistan region when they were detained on July 31, 2009 -- have been unjustly held for almost nine months without formal charges or access to legal representation," Clinton said last week. "We ask the Islamic Republic of Iran to release these three Americans and allow them to go home and be reunited with their families."

Last week the White House and Clinton stepped up calls for Iran to immediately release all Americans being held in Iran, as well as to provide information about former FBI agent Robert Levinson, who went missing after a meeting on Kish Island in 2007 while investigating cigarette smuggling for a private firm.

Levinson's wife told POLITICO that she and her family desperately hope that Levinson will be released and will be able to walk their daughter down the aisle at her upcoming wedding.

"I am my family absolutely believe that Bob is alive," Christine Levinson told POLITICO by email. "The FBI continues to actively help us search for Bob, a wonderful husband and father. Our daughter is getting married this fall and it is our greatest hope that Bob will be home to walk her down the aisle."


So, you're in favor of illegals, while these three innocent people can't accidently cross an invisible line?

We should be as strict as they are...otherwise we wouldn't have the economic crunch that we have. You can't talk about "health reform" without getting rid of the illegals that cause the manipulated status of health reform.

They are the cause of the greatest amount spent on healthcare, and the working families that are citizens end up paying. So you favor that?

You also favor the way they shoot and kill, drag drugs in the USA?

You favor those two hispanics that hit those successful young 20 yr olds with baseball bats by or under a viaduct, without even asking for their purses...and the one has a rap sheet as long as a mile...yet he's illegal...so it makes it ok to bring these scumbags in to destory the American dream?

I am so sick of this country and the way they kiss butt with the illegals, it just makes me want to puke. They need to get rid of them to find out exactly how much we are saving in health care, then do the reform.

John Hopkins Hospital was visited by a CNN Medical Expert...they charge a 21% overhead cost to a heart attack victim. Going across state line, she found out, they tacked on 187% if you had a heart attack their. In PA, it was an astomical tack on fee of 387%....it was just on CNN. The thing is...the states are not regulated, so Feds need control over hospital fees because John Hopkins Hospital had still a successful rate. Because it was mandated by the state that they could only add 21% to overhead costs.

It all is looped together. Do you think an immigrant, shot three times cares if he has insurance? Hell no...but the rest of us have to pay for it.

We need signs in the hospital, "We will treat you regardless of whether you have insurance or not...just show us that you are a US Citizen". Watch how fast they go back to Mexico or any other country they came from.

We're being pounced on, and illegally pounced on by illegals.

UrRight wrote:

The state law AZ enacted enables them to deport them right away, not waiting for FEDS to show up. Hit it on, straight on.

No, that's not correct. Arizona can't deport anyone.

Key provisions of Arizona immigration legislation

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- Makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally by specifically requiring immigrants to have proof of their immigration status. Violations are a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500. Repeat offenses would be a felony.