Illegals in California - The Los Angeles Times - What's Really Costing US!

From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times



BUT THEY DEMAND IMMIGRATION REFORM, AND ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!!! I bet our national debt would go down tremendously if all were sent back. A law immediately needs to pass, no more automatic citizen if born from illegals - here, illegally. Take your kids and get the hell out of the USA!

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/18/obama-endorses-immigration-blueprint/


Even with those statistics alone posted above, in the LA Times,

Obama backs a PLAN to LEGALIZE IMMIGRANTS!

Has this POTUS checked any figures to see why our country is in dire straights? I don't know what in the world these politicians are thinking.

No other country would allow us in demanding reform while entering illegal. This is really getting out of hand...he has NO CLUE what he is doing to our country.

One other headline at the Washington Post, "Gitmo Prisoners allowed Laptops!!!"

Now we're making those hope, changey things work for terrorists?

What in the hell is the POTUS about? I'm scared for our country, and you betcha' this POTUS has no clue what the hell he's doing. Congress is a sham.

On the "President Backs Immigration, there are well over 254 comments opposing this measure.

Here is just the few I copied:

The first 3 are the best on page one:

Get ready to eat it America: 12-35 million illegals broke the law and now _you_ need to start carrying a federally mandated ID. Note to Fed: if we can't or won't deport them because there's too many, how are you possibly going to handle processing community service, fines, language tests, etc. for all of them? In other words: if we're not willing to deport them for breaking the law, well then when push comes to shove, we really aren't willing to do anything else to them either. Can't wait to see the fines waived because of financial hardship - if they can't pay, you're not going to send them home either, right? Adios America! Mark as offensive
phillich

This is just another example of the total ignorance of this socialist president and disconnected political leadership in this country. as someone who lives in a border state i am well aware of the destructive nature of the criminal Illegal aliens in my state. this is a blantant attempt by Democrats to manipulate and extort the ever growing criminal illegal alien population to support the Democratic party. look at SEIU and their attempts to register and recruit Illegal aliens. Secondly how deos a Criminal illegal alien have the right to vote in this country. Sadly the best thing that has happened to Arizona was when we got rid of Janet Napaltino who when she was our govenor had to have a figurtive gun held to her head to even aknolege that criminal illegal aliens were a major problem in our state, and no she and this socialist president are simply looking to increase democrat numbers. vote for us because we will make you citizens.

NoParty
A.) this should suprise no one. B) how much longer are the party faithful going to keep their heads in the sand and their butts up to be...well you know what word should follow that line. C) If any of the supposed Democrats who believe in America are still in his and Pelosi's camp, they are demented. D) Third World here we come!


testplot
Lindsey Graham .... R from S.C...... should have never and should not now be allowed to negotiate for the Rep's sided..... he gets duped every time.... between health care and the legalizing of all the immigrants I am afraid that our country is doomed..... before all of this is over there will be blood in the streets..... if that is what it takes then so be it ....... but we must take our country back from the progressives......ever notice how they (the progressives) all ways want things to be equal...... except ..... their piece of the pie.......but it is their piece that is always larger, has more goodies, sprinkles (if you will), that yours and mine just don't seem to get.....Lindsey is one of them he is the (wolf in sheeps clothes) S.C. has got better folks to send to DC. Remember that it was Ike that sent 12 million packing in the mid 50's..... don't mind the folks wanting a better life but it needs to legal......
zbacku


Our country is finally destroyed and it came from within. We sat on our fat butts far too long and we have lost our freedoms and liberty to a Marxist president and fascist Democrats. My children will NEVER have the freedom I had. My children and their children will be slaves to a Marxist government that will rule everything in their lives. We need to ask forgiveness to EVERY brave soul that gave their live to defend this nation against it's enemies. We forgot, that our greatest enemy is ourselves and complacency. However, the government will have to take me away in a body bag before I give up my final freedom. 'GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH"
MDWhite

Obama knows that the dems are going to take it in the shorts, so to speak, in the upcoming Nov. elections because of their "screw you" approach toward ramming health care "reform" down the throats of the American public. What's coming around the corner is a cynical, underhanded attempt to fill the void in the dwindling roster of registered dems by creating 25,000,000 new "citizens" who will owe their legalization to Obama & Co. What more can we expect from Chicago street thug and the scummy cretins he's surrounded himself with. It's beyond sad. Our country deserves far better.
libnut

Truly, if this goes through I leaving the country. There are 2 shooting a week from Mexican gangs, hospitals are broke, All the jobs are taken by illegals, yet not politician, city official or elected official is doing anything about that. Legalize the illegals? You want violence...wait and watch when this passes. The US is toast....
zipzap


Here we have a lyer and a freak working together to destroy this nation. Invest in rope.
Retreiver

What in the world are these guys getting ready to do to the children and grandchildren of Americans after they add millions more to the welfare rolls and then multitudes of millions more pouring in? We cannot provide welfare for all the people we have now and is this a blueprint for getting them ready to vote for the democrats in 2012?
chillycat

OK I get it now...that lazer beam focus on jobs ...was jobs for Mexicans...NOT jobs for Americans...for a minute there I got all confused thinking Obama actually wanted the Uinted States to do well.
strangebrew

Here is a plan that will make everyone happy. The illegal’s are breaking the law and want to become Americans. Why not write the law to say that the penalty for their crime is not being eligible to vote for 12 years in any election and a fine of $1,000.00 or so. Include in that law that all voters most have a valid picture ID to reduce the amount of fraud, this would in part be paid for by the above mentioned fines. The Dems get what they want - no more illegal’s and the Repubs get what they want - voter ID The key is the 12 year no voting rights, let the illegal’s become legal for two Senatorial periods so that they can "live the American Dream" before they can vote themselves increased welfare benefits.
FloridaPatriot2012

CLoward and Piven..your party is waiting. Do we really need any more proof about this chump. here are the FACTS 1. chump necesarally increased the cost of energy, congress says no..obama uses epa 2. chump fundamentally transforms health care. congress says no, chump uses deem and reconcile 3. chump loves people who have no money and no skills. we get a few hundred million more seiu south relocatees. 4. chump does his absolute best to destroy the american auto industry, congress says YES.. 5. chump thinks student loans are vital to health care. so he over throws that part of the economy also 6. chump decides the lives of americans in mexico are not as important as the lives in palastine.. 7. chump decided the lives of US soliders are subject to what ever international court decides to legislate an end to all war. 8. chump decides to scold isreal about peace, and gets hit in his grapefruit sized head by a stray rock...palastine. were lookin at you for that one.
crystal9154

Graham is a RHINO (Republican in Name Only), Schumer is just an a$$hole. Illegal immigrants must go! Period. If you cannot not come in the front door, you cannot come in the back door. Jobs are at stake here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TexZ

Notice it's Graham and not McCain leading the charge for the Republicrats. Must be an election year in Arizona? I hope healthcare passes by as deceitful way as is humanly possible. When Obama signs it, I pray that they go full bore towards amnesty, followed by cap n' trade and a few trillion more in spending just in time for the November elections. Clinton lost Congress by pursuing health care reform. Obama will lose every liberal/progressive advancement since FDR as the rallying cry become REPEAL! After all, why stop at repealing health care reform?
Bev5

Come one, come all! Obama and the Democrats are going to need new voters come November if they want to stay in office. I just wish the Democrats would hurry up and overload the system like they are attempting to do. I know they think it will create a country that depends on them and, in turn, make them powerful. I think it will create a country that realizes we can do it better without them. Come on, Atlas, SHRUG!
HaleMeserow

"Tamper-proof" S.S. ID cards? How dumb do they think we are?! Passports aren't tamper-proof or foolproof, and they're supposed to be the most carefully guarded documentation that exists. This is just a head fake to swell the ranks of Dem voters and welfare recipients. The mystery is why Lindsey Grahamnesty is involved. Either he's a closet Dem or he is so incredibly naive and stupid that the Dems have a special name for him. "Dufus" comes to mind. Ship 'em back! Put Mexican U.S. property owners at the head of the line to return, provided they pass a U.S. citizenship test like any other LEGAL immigrant, a psychological test, a drug test, a criminal background check, and an Al Queda sympathizer check. If they can pass through these filters, they're the kind of person we want in America. How hard is it for Congress to understand this? Oh, wait...Congressional Dems don't give a hoot about what's in America's best interests, only their own.
BWoodruff

To put undocumented workers on a path to citizenship would require changing the good moral character provisions in the Naturalization laws of our country and be a slap in the face to all immigrants who have followed the correct and legal path to immigrate.. To give between 12 to 20 millions of currently disenfranchised and exploited workers a toehold to citizenship will lead to gridlock and no reform because of the presumed large defacto addition to the Democratic party base. .to get bipartisan support, It would be better to offer renewable 3 year work authorizations in exchange for identification verification and a pledge to follow the laws of our country. After three renewals the immigrant could be given permenant residency without the citizenship option. The non forgeable biometric card is the key. Anyone apprended in the country illegally would be deported as a first offender and incarcerated upon conviction of a second offense... any employer hiring undocumented workers would be fined heavily for each worker for a first offense and a repeat offender would be subject to the same incarceration as a second offense illegal entrant.. to stop illegal immigration...take away illegal employment....and further, require anyone transferring money electronically out of the United States via bank wire or Western Union to present the biometric identity card...this might be possible by a rules process under the under the Patriot Act. Not being able to send illegally earned wages out of the country would effectively shut down further illegal immigration.

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this is a Five STAR article...every 245 comments are opposed to Obama's crap.

UrRight wrote:

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times

That's simply a lie. I'm not going to waste my time going point by point on another of your crazy allegations. Instead,anyone that's curious can go to either http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp or http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/i/illegal-aliens.htm and see for themselves.

This crap has been peddled since 2006.

Artie60438 wrote:

UrRight wrote:

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times

That's simply a lie. I'm not going to waste my time going point by point on another of your crazy allegations. Instead,anyone that's curious can go to either http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp or http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/i/illegal-aliens.htm and see for themselves.

This crap has been peddled since 2006.

So Artie, you simply refuse to acknowledge the figures and facts, and instead go to websites that support your theories?

We bitch about FREETIME not working, but re-read the facts from the LA Newspaper. Without investigations from newspapers, you can find anything on the web to support your beliefs. Argue with the LA Times, not me.

[quote="UrRight"]

Artie60438 wrote:

UrRight wrote:

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times

That's simply a lie. I'm not going to waste my time going point by point on another of your crazy allegations. Instead,anyone that's curious can go to either http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp or http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/i/illegal-aliens.htm and see for themselves.

This crap has been peddled since 2006.

So Artie, you simply refuse to acknowledge the figures and facts, and instead go to websites that support your theories?
Those websites are non-partisan. They have no dog in the hunt.

Quote :

FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in American elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was once a registered Republican. "You’d be hard-pressed to find two more apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.[23][24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snopes.com#cite_note-1

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We bitch about FREETIME not working, but re-read the facts from the LA Newspaper. Without investigations from newspapers, you can find anything on the web to support your beliefs. Argue with the LA Times, not me.

That's just it.....that list was NEVER in the LA Times. It's just an old urban legend that has been disproved many,many,times..

Says who? YOU? Fact check is just as biased as any place you want to go on the web seeking something you believe in.

Argue with the LA Times who know their true statistics in that state, published by the LA Times.

By your theory, my daughter is an expert. She can tell you those facts don't lie and she's pretty pissed off about how much they take out of her check to support the illegals. Wanna argue with a 3 degrees in political science and majors in PR relations, that does not have prejudice against anyone but is sick and tired of supporting illegals...email my daughter and argue with someone with many degrees in every angle that paid her own way but not just still paying on her college education, but paying out of her paycheck, to support these loosers.

Ask her how the crime is out there...tho she lives below that Hollywood sign. Ask her how an immigrant rammed her car, didn't have insurance....how she had to pay out of her pocket....and she just adored the POTUS...ask her how she feels now, NOW that the pinch is in.


She makes big money but can't stand the fact that she's paying for illegals to sit at home and shoot innocent people. She can't stand paying extra in taxes to cover those illegals...unless you want to run with websites and not face the facts, you have no opinion.

I say this with respect, not out of respect. It is your opinion, and this is mine. OK? The potus is not looking at the root of the problem...he's enabling the problem.

If I broke a law, any kind of law, I would be in jail as a U.S. Citizen, yet these millions of millions across the nation broke the laws and demand whatver they want, and suck teets off of Congress and Obambie........cuz they know the system...and the Demobrats need the votes to survive.

Guess what? 60% of the Americans refuse this health bill and Obambie's and his Congress are well gonna pay a price in November. All the Demos are sunk.

UrRight wrote:

Says who? YOU? Fact check is just as biased as any place you want to go on the web seeking something you believe in.

Argue with the LA Times who know their true statistics in that state, published by the LA Times.

The problem is that you never provided a link to your alleged LA Times story,did you? How come? Could it possibly be it doesn't exist because it's a proven hoax and only gullible people like yourself continue to spread it?

I've asked you before and I'll ask you again.....Please Stop Lying!

Artie60438 wrote:

UrRight wrote:

Says who? YOU? Fact check is just as biased as any place you want to go on the web seeking something you believe in.

Argue with the LA Times who know their true statistics in that state, published by the LA Times.

The problem is that you never provided a link to your alleged LA Times story,did you? How come? Could it possibly be it doesn't exist because it's a proven hoax and only gullible people like yourself continue to spread it?

I've asked you before and I'll ask you again.....Please Stop Lying!

Yeah well for the record, this BS is from an e-mail that's been going around since 2006...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

Sorry, Artie - I see that you already posted the Snopes link. As you know, not only did this not appear in the LA TImes, but the Snopes site exposes the falsehoods behind the figures.

www.latimes.com/immigration

Think what you want...the truth plays out at the end. Go to the newspaper today and read it. Screw that link..I'll give you millions of links from across the nation that is fed up with this POTUS, the corruption, the lies, the broken promises.

In fact, ask any youngster like my daughter that thought "if there's no hope, what is there"? Ask her how she feels today with working around the clock and going around the world to see how much is being taken out to support the illegals in California...ask her...I'll give you her email...she's smarter than you two combined.

With all due respect, I am not here to fight. I am stating a link that was in the LA Times today. Without newspaper reporting the facts, I don't care what you think.

It's something that is written with 254 comments that are from people that voted for Obama and are fed up. It's simply a statement that I agree with them. I don't even need to read it...the writing is on the wall.

Unlike you two, I don't vote for a "Party"; I voted for whom I thought was more vital as a POTUS. Obama didn't convince me enough, and I predicted he would take the Chicago Machine with him. He's a player; he is not a leader. He has no experience in natiional affairs.

I didn't like Bush, but I can assure you, Condelezza Rice was a real person, and was exposed and kept up to date and kept US up to date on foreign affairs. This POTUS and Clinton, with bags under her eyes, who gives the impression she is just trotting along, and can't wait for her term to end), are underscoring international relations.

No way am I convinced that she even cares anymore about her job. She said it was a 24/7 hour job, won't run again...and if you look at the bags under her eyes, how she connects with oversea officials, you can't compare her to Rice. Rice always had great relations, always reported almost daily and never had bags under her eyes.

Obama hired whomever would inform him on protocal. He has no imagination how to be a proper Leader in the USA. He relies on Chicago politicians and that's made Washington worse than you'll ever see again.

I'm simply stating my opinion and as you have the right to do. This is a discussion board, not a boxing ring. Convince me that you don't think the illegals should be removed first and their so-called USA born naturalized kids in order to allow room in the deficet to bring this bill of "REFORM" forward, that will reduce the deficit. The illegals are the ones turning the country around and down.

Unless you tackle that problem, you're just adding more to the problem...and taxpayers are not gonna be able to enable them.

He has his priorities wrong. Period.

He should have asked himself, "What is where we can cut" and that would be the illegals, enact a law right away, and deport them.

We would be able to provide REFORM after enacting and enforcing the laws on immigration. Get rid of them, and we would have plenty of money to go around. Instead, he wants us to automatically support them more, write up different languages in the public aid office, invite gangs and guns from Mexico killing innocent children, fill up our jails for a free room and board.

Get rid of that first, then let's revamp that thing he wants to ram down working Americans' throats. They are sick and tired of feeding illegals. They drained our system, he hasn't followe the law himself, so he's useless.

The illegals also send their children not knowing any English, not prepared for pre-school and then they enter our school system, slowing down the progress of children that were taught to read and write by 2 years old.

If you're gonna keep breaking and not upholding the law, and not require these illegals to go home, rwait in line and pay to return after having been required to learn English, they are not gonna be productive...they will just take up space and steal our tax money. They come here to make our country worse than where they came from.

How do they read the road signs? How do they obtain drivers' license? How do they even get to vote without a drivers' license? How do they get to use the public school system and the nerve to send their children not knowing English? How do they gain citizenship if they can't pass a Constitutional test. I remember we were not allowed to graduate from high school without passing the U.S. Constitutional test. It's absurd, yet, they get paid for sitting in a rat hole, getting fatter and fatter on food stamps, money and free medical. But LOTUS urges the nation for healthier food?\

The majority of the Mexicans are overweight. They get the food stamps, and eat greasy, Mexican food. Start with them before you point fingers at educated people, LOTUS. They make me sick in
Washington...they eat worse than the healthy majority but have the nerve to tell us how to eat.

We don't fry our chicken, we bake it. If you want your kid to eat healthy, pack their food and quit relying on schools and taxpayers to feed your kids, just because you think it is free food but you're too damn lazy to get up, make oatmeal, and pack them a healthy school lunch. My kids wouldn't touch the food they served at school.

They ate breakfast, cereal, and packed their lunches with fruit, juice, vegs and a healthy sandwich. Plus bought milk. We never exposed them to pop. I haven't met a skinny Mexican yet.

the Mexican stores only carry 100% milk, no diet pop. and nothing but greasy food. It's alright to indulge once in awhile, but I think the POTUS' wife should look at how every one practically fires food in LARD....bacon grease...etc., in their own culture.

Now we need POTUS' LOTUS to tell people what common sense shoul be?
Are true responsible parents that dumb to be have to be told by gov't what to feed your kid? I can't believe how stupid they are in Washington.

Illegals are the root of all all that's gone wrong in our nation.

We are a nation divided because of them, and the Demos/Repos that count on those illegals to vote illegally for them. All they care about is votes, pensions, seats, pensions, being re-elected.

They don't care that the way they lead right now is to allow them to slow down our own kids, hold up the classroom because they don't understand English, and costs us more by just being here, sucking off the taxpayers' teets.

UrRight wrote:

With all due respect, I am not here to fight. I am stating a link that was in the LA Times today. Without newspaper reporting the facts, I don't care what you think.

Repeating the same lie over and over isn't going to make it come true. There is NO link,there never was. You're a liar!

UR - my son doesn't like most of the school lunches either, but I don't brag about his being picky. You sound really racist saying all Mexicans are fat. It's amazing the number of kids that come to school that have been the only one awake at their house that morning - not too many of the ENL kids in the situation, but a lot of others.