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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 10:38 am

It's not now?
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 10:40 am

How about the military? Has the Government screwd that up too? How about the FDA,the highway system?
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 11:07 am

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How about the military? Has the Government screwd that up too? How about the FDA,the highway system?
See, I knew this "debate" would go this way...especially once this jerk put his two cents in...
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 11:21 am

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How about the military? Has the Government screwd that up too? How about the FDA,the highway system?

See, I knew this "debate" would go this way...especially once this jerk put his two cents in...

No answer for those examples,are there Lois? Thus this debate ends the way it always does,,with you on the losing end. Thanks for the laugh :rolfcry:
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 12:21 pm

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LoisLane wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
How about the military? Has the Government screwd that up too? How about the FDA,the highway system?

See, I knew this "debate" would go this way...especially once this jerk put his two cents in...

No answer for those examples,are there Lois? Thus this debate ends the way it always does,,with you on the losing end. Thanks for the laugh :rolfcry:
Why do I waste my time...typical "head up Obama's ass" response...GFY Art
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 1:10 pm

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Artie60438 wrote:
LoisLane wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
How about the military? Has the Government screwd that up too? How about the FDA,the highway system?

See, I knew this "debate" would go this way...especially once this jerk put his two cents in...

No answer for those examples,are there Lois? Thus this debate ends the way it always does,,with you on the losing end. Thanks for the laugh :rolfcry:
Why do I waste my time...typical "head up Obama's ass" response...GFY Art

Hahaha. Here's a few more examples to chew on.....

Army Corps of Engineers
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
FBI
Commodity Futures Trading Commission
National Transportation Safety Board
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)
Federal Bureau of Prisons
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
National Park Service
National Weather Service
Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Patent and Trademark Office

Care to find fault with any of the above Federal Government agencies?
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 1:40 pm

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How can you possibly speak of your childhood favorably after growing up in such an evil, evil, socialist nation? Malta must be a clone of Nazi Germany by this time, like Glenn Beck and the townhallers have been warning us...
Ever been there? Then shut up!

So a national healthcare plan isn't a move towards becoming the next Nazi Germany or socialism contrary to what the conservative media claims. That's what I've been saying! Thanks for clearing that up. Razz Glad to see you'll be shouting down such ridiculous conservative hyperbole when you see it, too. 👋
So, I guess your tactic is to bait me into a debate, and let an asshole like Artie add his shit...unbelievable. Read my signature line. It pertains to the low lives on this board.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 4:00 pm

LoisLane wrote:
Heretic wrote:
LoisLane wrote:
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How can you possibly speak of your childhood favorably after growing up in such an evil, evil, socialist nation? Malta must be a clone of Nazi Germany by this time, like Glenn Beck and the townhallers have been warning us...
Ever been there? Then shut up!

So a national healthcare plan isn't a move towards becoming the next Nazi Germany or socialism contrary to what the conservative media claims. That's what I've been saying! Thanks for clearing that up. Razz Glad to see you'll be shouting down such ridiculous conservative hyperbole when you see it, too. 👋
So, I guess your tactic is to bait me into a debate, and let an asshole like Artie add his shit...unbelievable.

I believe it was your very own words that started this debate
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So the fact that I was born and raised in Malta is grounds for bottom dwellers like yourself to attempt to use it against me? I doubt it. I am proud of where I came from. In fact, I visit there every other year.
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Read my signature line. It pertains to the low lives on this board.

If you hate the posters here so much,why don't you just leave? You rarely contribute anything significant,and lately all you do is launch personal attacks.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 5:23 pm

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If you hate the posters here so much,why don't you just leave? You rarely contribute anything significant,and lately all you do is launch personal attacks.
As long as my presence on this board irritates you, I will continue to post, until the day you convince the Admin to permanently ban me. (and we all know that you posses the authority to do so, given the fact that you can monitor who is online and who is not) You are just an angry person, and I would be offended if I had ever met you, black, white, green, or purple...You say I contribute NOTHING on this board, but once I post something, you jump right on it with both feet. For some reason, some white lady must have really pissed you off. Either accept the fact that I am on this board or else go away yourself. I actually despise the thought of your being.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 7:51 pm

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Artie60438 wrote:
If you hate the posters here so much,why don't you just leave? You rarely contribute anything significant,and lately all you do is launch personal attacks.
As long as my presence on this board irritates you, I will continue to post, until the day you convince the Admin to permanently ban me. (and we all know that you posses the authority to do so, given the fact that you can monitor who is online and who is not)

I can?Shocked What other magical powers do I posess?

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You are just an angry person, and I would be offended if I had ever met you, black, white, green, or purple.

I'm not the one who's losing their temper and resorting to name calling,you are.
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You say I contribute NOTHING on this board, but once I post something, you jump right on it with both feet.

Yeah,because usually you're dead wrong.

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For some reason, some white lady must have really pissed you off.

What on earth does race have to do with anything and why do you constantly inject it?

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Either accept the fact that I am on this board or else go away yourself.

No problem. We need a pinata.

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I actually despise the thought of your being.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/2/2009, 10:45 pm

LoisLane wrote:
So, I guess your tactic is to bait me into a debate. . .

Yes, because simply trying to engage you in a discussion isn't working.

LoisLane wrote:
. . . and let an asshole like Artie add his shit...unbelievable.

What? Suspect I "let" him post? How, and be as specific as possible, can I stop another poster on this board from posting?

LoisLane wrote:
Read my signature line. It pertains to the low lives on this board.

Check out the video in mine. It's far more worthwhile.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/3/2009, 6:18 pm

Gallup 8/31-9/2/09 Approve 55 Disapprove 39 Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/3/2009, 6:58 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/3/2009, 8:22 pm

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Keep believing in Santa Claus. In fact,ask the lunatic morons that kept believing in Zogby during the 2008 election,despite my frequent warnings that it was bogus,how that turned out? :rolfcry:

It's a joy for me watching wingnut kooks who are doing everything they they can to further their party's destruction, desperately cling to a right wing pollster,out there on a limb all by himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/5/2009, 1:06 pm

Wow. I checked Gallup today, and Obama is back to a 55-38 job approval rate for the period 9/1-3/09.

http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm#Gallup

That's exactly where he was at the beginning of August (8/1-3/09)... and if you look at the trending for the month, the numbers sure look legitimate. IMHO, this is really pretty amazing, given the fact that August was a pretty rocky month for the President. It will be interesting to see if these numbers hold up during the run-up to the big address to Congress on Wednesday.

If he hits a "home run" on Wednesday, his numbers are likely to go up even more. Of course, if he "strikes out," I suspect we will see his job approval rate dip below 50% for the first time in his Presidency. But if the past is any guide, Obama will seize the moment and reclaim the momentum on the Health Care Insurance Reform debate.

As I've said before, it's a big mistake to underestimate Barack.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/7/2009, 12:12 pm

Oh my: New Zogby poll shows Obama’s approval at … 42%

The Zogby Poll wrote:
It’s not quite as bad as it looks, but it’s plenty bad. Since last month, he’s down 13 points among Democrats, nine points among liberals, and 18 points among voters 18 to 29.

No public option, no peace?


He’s actually up slightly among likely voters in the last 10 days — coincidentally, while he’s been on vacation and off the television screen — but it’s the monthly trend that’s an eye-popper. Doesn’t this foretell a shift left, to win back Democrats, when he finally returns to D.C.? He’s already lost any little amount of trust conservatives and right-leaning independents might ever have had in him; just too much government, too soon, and no compromise “health-care co-op” is going to change that. All it’ll do is leave the left feeling they can’t trust him either, which means no money or organization next year and no one except wary centrists even somewhat pleased with health care. The smartest available move, it seems increasingly to me, is to push for a public option, make the left happy, and then throw the full weight of your propaganda machine into convincing centrists before the midterms that government health care is a genius idea. Sure, it’ll mean sacrificing a few Blue Dog seats to the GOP next year, but it looks like that’s a fait accompli anyway. And even if Republicans take back the House, they won’t have a veto-proof majority (or even control of the Senate) that they’d need to repeal ObamaCare, so the deed will be done. If you’re Barry O, you might as well get what you want, keep part of the public excited about you, and take your chance.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/7/2009, 5:05 pm

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Oh my: New Zogby poll shows Obama’s approval at … 42%

Zogby? You're kidding,right? Zogby is the biggest joke in the polling community and everyone knows it but you. Interactive polls,which is what you're quoting, are worthless because they can easily be freeped. Zogby was completely discredited during the 2008 elections when they were found to be conducting a push poll.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   9/14/2009, 12:49 pm

Anyone know why thread hasn't been updated? I do! Laughing

President Obama Job Approval

Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread
RCP Average 8/29 - 9/13 -- 52.0 44.4 +7.6
ABC News/Wash Post 9/10 - 9/12 1007 A 54 43 +11
Rasmussen Reports 9/11 - 9/13 1500 LV 52 48 +4
Gallup 9/11 - 9/13 1547 A 53 40 +13
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   12/2/2009, 9:39 am

Good explanation as to how Rasmussen arrives at their results..
Why Is Rasmussen So Different?
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   1/2/2010, 2:11 pm

Wingnuts who are basing their hopes on Rasmussen are eventually going to be in for a very rude awakening...

Rasmussen vs The Rest
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   1/3/2010, 3:20 pm

Nate Silver,who IMO,is one if not the best polling interpreter in the business,explains Rasmussen's often misleading polls in detail...

Is Rasmussen Reports Biased? by Nate Silver @ 11:53 AM

Here's a terrific example..

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Likewise, Rasmussen recently produced a poll in which they purported to describe the Democratic health care plan to their respondents. Several other pollsters have found that support for the plan increases when it is actually described to respondents, but Rasmussen showed no such increase. However, the second sentence in their description reads:

The plans before Congress would prohibit people from choosing insurance plans with lower premiums and higher deductibles.

I don't particularly know where this comes from; Rasmussen claims that its questions came from a 'summary of the legislation provided by the New York Times', but such a depiction of the health care policy appears nowhere in the New York Times article. But there it is in the Rasmussen survey, where it appears to be designed to build a relationship in the respondent's mind between the Democratic plan and higher premiums.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   1/3/2010, 6:05 pm

Honestly, Artie - who gives a crap about any poll? It means crap. Who cares? We can't base success on a few selective people answering any damn poll, nor confirm any poll exists.
Wasting your time trying to prove Obama is above or below a certain percentage is no comparison unless they ask EVERY American how they feel. Screw the polls. Get on a good subject, and quit trying to defend the POTUS.
He's the only one that can prove whether the majority approves of him or not. Nothing you can do to make him look any fancier. He has to do his job. Screw any poll. It's just stupid.
Like Wall Street. One day it's up, the next day, down. Who gives a crap?

Doesn't make you believe just because they go up a few points, they won't go down (WallStreet!)!
Mainstreet is all I give a hoot about. Screw the POTUS and his lavish lifestyle..his teleprompter. his guys telling him what to say or do, and his lack of leadership. Whether he's white/ black / half white and black, an Indian, I don't care...how he's handling this country after taking so many vacations, makes me wonder if we even have a damn president.

It's golf, bowling, off to here and there, buying a damn dog, when he was given one, his written speeches by someone else, his lack of concern for safety in our country...his priority is vacationing at this point..where all I can see. If he was a Republican, I'd say the same thing about him. Screw the polls, cuz, eventually his true colors will show before the year 2010 ends. It will show America he based his campaign on false premises.He got there like a snake, and he's no different than any other guy that would have gotten there.

That's the change...snake or snake oil. He knew how to charm his way to the White House. I'm surprised he didn't demand they paint it black.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   1/9/2010, 4:07 pm

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Honestly, Artie - who gives a crap about any poll? It means crap. Who cares? We can't base success on a few selective people answering any damn poll, nor confirm any poll exists.
Wasting your time trying to prove Obama is above or below a certain percentage is no comparison unless they ask EVERY American how they feel. Screw the polls.

Yeah, well it's simply not necessary to ask "every" American "how they feel." Properly conducted polls are actually quite accurate, especially when viewed over time. They are based on sound statistical models that are widely accepted by those who understand the mathematics.

Comparing scientifically conducted polling to stock market fluctuations is an "apples to oranges" comparison, and attempting to make such a comparison is quite frankly ludicrous.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   1/9/2010, 7:41 pm

Yeah, so as in the past, has any poll even if it's Ransomonia doing it...what does it do,but try to impress upon American's nationwide a few select, made the poll? For every poll out there, there's another one against or for it. Kinda stinks if you sink your teeth in pollls.
I get lots of forms to fill out and return for the Repo's and the Demo's. I tell them the same thing...what I believe should be done, and quit wasting your freaking time asking me what I know as a voter, what a politician can do to make things better. Quit wasting the postage..they know damn well what their platform was before I voted. Why waste time sending me surveys, just act on your freaking promises. Remember how Obambie swore 18 times on his campaign trail that the healthbill would be exposed as negotions went on on CNN? Another freaking Rudy Clay with the bling. Another Al Sharpton with the bling. Another Jesse Jackson with the Bling..another Louis Farrakhan with the bling. Once they get their bling, you're just a wink in their blink of bling. They screw their own folks.

I would not be surprised at all if Obama is impeached within the next year. Don't ask me why; I just "feel" it. Just like I feel very insecure with him being POTUS, I feel we will get attacked big time within the next year. Why? Cuz he flucked up having parties the first year. Golf, vacations, town halls, the Olympics for Chicago...ignoring every other important aspect to keep the country safe. The guy is a partier, and his wife is too. Grammaw watches the kids, so it's one great big, happy party every WEDS. night. It's about clothes. It's about working out...it's about planting a garden that probably fed people for one week in the White House that I'm really surprised they didn't paint it black or brown by now..it's all about vacations, celebrities, you name it, they have it.
Point is, if you are elected based on promises, keep them. That's why you were elected. If you need to spend millions after a major election to know what I feel, why not look at who I voted for and why? That's my point. Career politicians/liars suck.
Bring back our jobs to the USA so we CAN buy USA. Fluk the other countries. We made them rich, now we owe them. How screwed up is that?
The wars...oh my gosh. I thought war was about freedom...not about a bunch of kooks killing over religion. Let them kill each other, keep our money at home, and enhance security..allow them to fight the 200 year war over religion. If they think they are gonna go to heaven for killing...let them go to heaven. Why should we be involved in religious beliefs? Why should we be interested in rebuilding their little rat-holes over religious wars? Why should we give weapons, send back those a holes we captured to the very country they came from, only to return to terrorism? What the hell makes sense in all this?
We got in the hole spending blood, money, what not over Bush. We had Obama lying to us during his campaign, deceiving the young kids into thinking he was some kind of savior. They're too young or naive to think that this dork even knows what he's talking about.

I laughed at him when he came out the other day on the news with a stern look on his face, pretending he's a leader. He was told to LOOK stern. He was freaking golfing, so were the very people hired to protect our country....vacationing at Christmas..as if it wasn't viable to go before a camera and give that stern look from Hawaii.
His wife and kids are splshed on magazine covers. The guy takes golf more seriously than war, enemies...plane bombers...too important to fly home to address the problem, approach it, and make Americans feel safer flying during the holidays. Nope, his holiday was more important. Selfish, if you ask me.

This guy doesn't take our nation seriously. It pisses me off when my Uncle walked for two weeks in below zero weather, first to enter the Nazi camp to free the Jews. My dad had to shoot a Jap to get his foxhole;...this piece of SB-POTUS doesn't have a clue what war is like, fighting in a war, risking your life, etc.
Which tells me this whole world is nuts. We need to get the hell out of over there, and tell them to kill each other. We have no threats from them if we pull out. They don't want us in there. As long as we stay in there, yes, there will be attempts to "get even". I don't call that a war. I call it "Politics" and he isn't qualified to be a POTUS. Or an a-hole. A-hole is too generous of a title.
For the first time in two years, from campaigning to getting elected, POTUS goes on TV after golfing thru his Hawaii vacation, trying to impress the nation that he's damn serious finally...(eyebrows were frowning, mean look on his face, etc., you get it!) finally trying to portray he's the "one responsible for the nation's safety). Great job. Who coached you to finally narrow those eyebrows and give a snarky look. I don't know body language like an expert, but I can smell one that was coached.


He couldn't fool me. He was coached. He was told what to say. He has no mind of his own when it comes to leadership. I wish to hell McCain on behalf of those that know better, would pay a visit to POTUS' office and advise him. Not the tax-dodger, a guy who survived a real war, a guy who knows about what our country is up against. A guy who doesn't take fifteen thousand vacations since January 2009.
I rest my case. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Mayor Daley, the whole crew from Chicago - the ghosts left behind...well, those that went forward, brought Chicago with. Dumb-butts. I'll give you ten years and Chicago will resemble East St. Louis.
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PostSubject: Re: Beware of Rasmussen "Presidential Approval Index"   1/14/2010, 12:27 pm

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Yeah, so as in the past, has any poll even if it's Ransomonia doing it...what does it do,but try to impress upon American's nationwide a few select, made the poll?

Yeah, well I would try to answer this, but I don't have my Palin --> English dictionary handy.
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