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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/20/2009, 12:59 pm

LoisLane wrote:
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Yeah,Nixon talked to Mao,Reagan talked to Gorbachev,and now Obama is talking to Chavez. Bush OTOH reached out to no one. You are now free to rattle off all his foreign policy accomplishments during the last 8 years.
The U.S. actually benefited by establishing relations with Russia and China. What does anybody south of the Rio Grande River have that we can use. Cuban Cigars, taco shells, funny hats, what? All we get is more rhetoric about the hated Americans. Who needs it?

Lois,Do you treat your neighbors the same way? If they have nothing to offer you,do you treat them with an air of hostility because of it?

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In 2002, U.S. firms exported $347 million worth of agricultural products, including wheat, corn, soybeans, soybean meal, cotton, animal fats, vegetable oils, and other items to make Venezuela one of the top two U.S. markets in South America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela#Petroleum_and_other_resources
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/20/2009, 1:33 pm

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Cuba's leaders weren't even present at the conference in Trinidad, so how exactly did the President "buddy up with Fidel and Raul?"
I guess you've been away from civilization. He has had communication with The Cubans concerning relations. He was stroking those guys BEFORE the conference.Does it make you feel good when a poster has to explain everything to you? Are you that shallow?

I was just trying to decipher your post, because it didn't make any sense. Basically, Obama lifted restrictions on Cuban-Americans who want to travel to their homeland, and proposed allowing American telecommunications companies to do business in Cuba. Then, Cuba indicated that it was open to talks that included human rights and the possible release of political prisoners. That's a positve development. Most Americans would like to see normal relations with Cuba. But that's never going to happen without actions by both countries to end the standoff. The lifting of travel restrictions was a good first step, and it puts pressure on the Castro regime to respond.

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Let's see if Barry's popularity takes a hit on this latest blunder. HUGO CHAVEZ? DANIEL ORTEGA? The CASTROS?

I seriously doubt that Obama's popularity will be affected negatively by the start of a dialog with Cuba, since as I said, most Americans favor it. Shaking hands with Chavez is also a non-issue, since shaking hands with someone that you've never met is just common courtesy. I've not seen much about Ortega, other than the fact that he was in attendance and had positive things to say about Obama's approach to better hemispheric relations.


In short, Obama continues to do exactly what he promised to do during the Presidential campaign.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/20/2009, 1:55 pm

Watch Newt get his talking points about dictators destroyed.

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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/21/2009, 8:09 am

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Lois,Do you treat your neighbors the same way? If they have nothing to offer you,do you treat them with an air of hostility because of it?
If my neighbors told the neighborhood that I was a bad neighbor and they hated me because I have more than them, then yes, I'd be big enough to tell them to go to hell. What would you do? Put up with it?
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/21/2009, 8:32 am

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Lois,Do you treat your neighbors the same way? If they have nothing to offer you,do you treat them with an air of hostility because of it?
If my neighbors told the neighborhood that I was a bad neighbor and they hated me because I have more than them, then yes, I'd be big enough to tell them to go to hell. What would you do? Put up with it?

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What does anybody south of the Rio Grande River have that we can use. Cuban Cigars, taco shells, funny hats, what?
not their rhetoric.

Meanwhile President Obama made substantial progress repairing relations.....

Chavez says he will send ambassador to Washington

The Associated Press
PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad — Hugo Chavez said Saturday that he is restoring Venezuela’s ambassador in Washington, voicing hopes for a "new era" in relations after barely getting to know President Barack Obama at a regional summit.

"I think President Obama is an intelligent man compared to the previous U.S. president,"
Chavez said.
http://www.star-telegram.com/279/v-print/story/1325169.html
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/21/2009, 4:55 pm

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Watch Newt get his talking points about dictators destroyed.

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Nixon looked like he was damn near nibbling on the one guy's ear.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/23/2009, 8:33 am

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Let's see if Barry's popularity takes a hit on this latest blunder. HUGO CHAVEZ? DANIEL ORTEGA? The CASTROS? Nothing but a bunch of two bit dictators that have NOTHING, NOTHING to offer The U.S.[/b]

I guess it did take a hit after all....Upwards! Very Happy

Obama gets high marks in polls
Nearly two-thirds approve of the job the president is doing, and seven in 10 say they like Obama, the man.

By Mark Silva
5:41 AM PDT, April 23, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- Approaching his 100th day in the White House at a time of economic turmoil, President Obama holds the approval of nearly two-thirds of Americans surveyed for the job that he is performing – and seven in 10 say they like Obama, the man.

Most say they approve of the president's overall handling of the economy, while the effects of his policies remain uncertain.

Obama's job approval as president stands at 63% in a poll released this morning by the Washington-based Pew Research Center – with just 26% saying they disapprove of the way he is handling his job.

The president draws a similar rating, 64%, in a new poll conducted by the Associated Press and GfK Roper Public Affairs and Media. That survey also finds, for the first time in five years, more Americans saying the nation is headed in the right direction than those who say it is not.

The president's job approval also stands at 64% in the latest Gallup Poll daily tracking survey.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-obama-polls24-2009apr24,0,2817055.story
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/23/2009, 8:54 am

Artie60438 wrote:
LoisLane wrote:

Let's see if Barry's popularity takes a hit on this latest blunder. HUGO CHAVEZ? DANIEL ORTEGA? The CASTROS? Nothing but a bunch of two bit dictators that have NOTHING, NOTHING to offer The U.S.[/b]

I guess it did take a hit after all....Upwards! Very Happy

Obama gets high marks in polls
Nearly two-thirds approve of the job the president is doing, and seven in 10 say they like Obama, the man.

By Mark Silva
5:41 AM PDT, April 23, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- Approaching his 100th day in the White House at a time of economic turmoil, President Obama holds the approval of nearly two-thirds of Americans surveyed for the job that he is performing – and seven in 10 say they like Obama, the man.

Most say they approve of the president's overall handling of the economy, while the effects of his policies remain uncertain.

Obama's job approval as president stands at 63% in a poll released this morning by the Washington-based Pew Research Center – with just 26% saying they disapprove of the way he is handling his job.

The president draws a similar rating, 64%, in a new poll conducted by the Associated Press and GfK Roper Public Affairs and Media. That survey also finds, for the first time in five years, more Americans saying the nation is headed in the right direction than those who say it is not.

The president's job approval also stands at 64% in the latest Gallup Poll daily tracking survey.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-obama-polls24-2009apr24,0,2817055.story
Obama reminds me of the Chicago Cubs. Popular as hell, but just can't make it to the World Series. Always coming up short. I guess that's what popularity polls are for.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/23/2009, 9:34 am

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Obama reminds me of the Chicago Cubs. Popular as hell, but just can't make it to the World Series. Always coming up short. I guess that's what popularity polls are for.

And getting elected President was what? An exhibition game?
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/23/2009, 11:05 am

Artie60438 wrote:
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Obama reminds me of the Chicago Cubs. Popular as hell, but just can't make it to the World Series. Always coming up short. I guess that's what popularity polls are for.

And getting elected President was what? An exhibition game?
You can't expect a Cub's fan like Lois to know much about winning! Most Cub's fans live their entire lives without seeing the Cubs win the World Series.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/23/2009, 2:19 pm

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You can't expect a Cub's fan like Lois to know much about winning! Most Cub's fans live their entire lives without seeing the Cubs win the World Series.
Excuse me toad, but, I am NOT a Cubs fan.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/23/2009, 2:22 pm

Careful Lois, speaking badly of toads and cubbies may shackle.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/23/2009, 2:34 pm

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Careful Lois, speaking badly of toads and cubbies may shackle.
Been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt.
Besides which is worse being called a toad, or a Cubs fan? Tough call.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/23/2009, 2:39 pm

LoisLane wrote:
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Careful Lois, speaking badly of toads and cubbies may shackle.
Been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt.
Besides which is worse being called a toad, or a Cubs fan? Tough call.

I guess it would depend on if you were a toad or a cubs fan and who you are being compared to Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   4/23/2009, 5:44 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
LoisLane wrote:

Obama reminds me of the Chicago Cubs. Popular as hell, but just can't make it to the World Series. Always coming up short. I guess that's what popularity polls are for.

And getting elected President was what? An exhibition game?
Getting elected President is like the New York Yankees. You spend tons of money (more than your opponents) in a quest to win the World Series and you still come up short.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   5/15/2009, 9:46 am

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If the "Oh yeah... uh... We'll look into it" isn't anything other than paltry lip service, I'll agree with you... we're hosed.

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Report citing veteran extremism is pulled

A contentious "Rightwing Extremism" report that warned of military veterans as possible recruits for terrorist attacks against the U.S. was not authorized, has been withdrawn and is being rewritten, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told Capitol Hill lawmakers.

Well... frak me. :shakehead: I thought this was done with. As if you couldn't tell it was bullshit from the start, you certainly can now by how quickly it faded from public consciousness. They were all so concerned right up until the teabaggings stopped.

First, the basics:

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-- This bulletin was just one of several assessing various terrorism threats to our national security; because these bulletins were intended for local law-enforcement officials, they necessarily focused on domestic threats. Overseas-based threats are a completely different bailiwick and would not be part of this particular assessment, but that doesn't mean the threat is being ignored or that, for that matter, Homeland Security's ongoing focus on Al Qaeda has dropped even one iota since Janet Napolitano took over.

-- Neither O'Reilly nor Peters appear to have watched what Shepard Smith reported on Fox the day before: Namely, that the bulletin was ordered by the Bush administration, well before Obama took office, and was conducted by Bush-hired intelligence specialists.

-- York is right that the DHS was much more specific in its similar bulletin about left-wing extremists. But there's a reason for that: Far-right extremists absurdly outnumber eco-terrorists, by an exponential factor. It's easy for DHS to list ELF and a handful of other far-left groups capable of acts of terrorism because that's about all there are. On the other hand, there are over 900 hate groups in the SPLC's database, including a large number of them outfits fully capable of (in fact, some essentially built around) inflicting violence on the public. If York (and Michelle Malkin, who's made a similar claim) wanted more specifics in this bulletin, there'd have been quite a bit of ink and space wasted listing them all. If Byron wants a few, let me give him just those in New York state, where he lives. There are 25 of them there. Or just look around a little: Do the names National Socialist Movement, or National Alliance, or Stormfront, or White Aryan Resistance, or Aryan Nations ring a bell anywhere?

-- What the report says is that DHS "has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence", which is very specific language that is quite correct in what it does say -- but it doesn't say that this assessment is based on speculation about economic stresses and political anger. Rather, as anyone can assess from reading the bulletin itself throughout, it's predicated on a good deal of solid factual data regarding the activities of far-right extremists. Some of this, as we'll see, comes from FBI intelligence; and some of it from publicly available sources.

-- Finally, and most on the tip of wingnut tongues, is the claim that the report "singles out" all returning veterans as potential recruits for right-wing extremists. In reality, the report only singles out returning veterans who become active in violent hate groups.

And lets not forget that this assessment is nearly identical to the FBI's that came out during the Bush administration warning that returning veterans really are a target for recruitment, mysteriously to no fanfare whatsoever (can anyone explain that? Anyone?).

...I'm staggered. This is unbelievable. So a valid national threat assessment commissioned by the Bush administration, conducted by their own people, supported with years of data, and echoing the same warnings issued by the FBI just a year prior gets yanked because conservatives let loose a bunch of crocodile tears about "insulted veterans" in order to drum up supported for their own teabaggings. Wow. I'm at a loss... I feel ill... :barf:

DHS is seriously catowing to public opinion on this? There really was an investigation? :bangwall:

So... what now? It's been withdrawn. So to all of you that were so concerned about this, I have a few questions if you wouldn't mind. I cannot fathom the logic behind this, so please help me to understand. Was this really necessary? Was getting the report yanked, people fired, etc, the desired outcome? What do we do with the information contained therein? Is the data actually in dispute or just merely the wording? Is there a threat to national security or not? Is the conservative objection to this report nothing more than vapid semantics? And how can this report possibly be reissued in a way that conservatives won't find insulting, considering that veterans really are a target for recruitment?

Ugh... teh stoopid... it burns us.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   2/24/2010, 3:17 pm

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Ugh... teh stoopid... it burns us.

Damn funny. But that's not why I dredged up this old thread.

I read an interesting Op-Ed piece by Robert Wright at the NYT site, so f figured I'd post it here... He makes a pretty convincing argument about why Joseph Stack, the right-wing crazy who flew his plane into the IRS building in Texas, qualifies as a "terrorist."

The First Tea-Party Terrorist?

Here's an excerpt...

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In common usage, a “terrorist” is someone who attacks in the name of a political cause and aims to spread terror — to foster fear that such attacks will be repeated until grievances are addressed. Thus, Amy Bishop, the vehement Alabama tenure-seeker, wouldn’t qualify as a terrorist; she seems to have no cause larger than herself and, when she gunned down colleagues, presumably wasn’t hoping to strike fear of the untenured into the hearts of tenured faculty everywhere.

Stack, in contrast, saw himself as part of a cause, as one in a long line of fighters against tyranny. The manifesto he left behind reads, “I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. … I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be whitewashed and ignored” — at which point, God willing, “the American zombies wake up and revolt.” This man was, by prevailing semantic conventions, a terrorist.

The entire piece is definitely worth reading, for those of you who are interested.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   2/24/2010, 4:41 pm

There was never any doubt in my mind that this nut's actions constituted terrorism. If he were a Muslim the same loons that would disagree with my finding would be clamoring for him to get a one way ticket to Gitmo.

One question:What does this have to do with topic of this thread?


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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   2/24/2010, 5:41 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
One question:What does this have to do with topic of this thread?

Before the thread went off-topic, it was about the right-wingers whining about being singled out by an Intelligence Report that indicated that law enforcement agencies should not dismiss the threat posed by right wing domestic terrorists. Happy Jack in particular was all "enraged" over it, though I highly doubt that he ever read the report.

IMHO, the IRS incident is a great example of the dangers of the right wing "tea party" movement's reckless rhetoric and actions, and the warnings in that Intelligence Report now seem prescient.

So it reminded me of the debate we had early in this thread. That's the only reason that I posted it here. I'm guess I'm still used to posting info to a thread that is related to a prior discussion or as a "reminder" to other posters involved in that discussion.

I probably should have started a new thread, given the fact that the crybaby "righties" who used to post here have all run away... apparently because they were offended about being challenged.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   2/24/2010, 9:04 pm

Interesting. Conservatives were foaming at the mouth trying to make sure we called the underwear bomber a terrorist. Now we have a guy who mimicks the terrorists of 9/11 and some of them are sympathizing...

Truly dizzying. Suspect

Maybe the DHS report was pulled because it really was hitting too close to home.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   3/26/2010, 2:33 pm

Dammit. Wrong thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   3/29/2010, 10:14 pm

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Hammond man accused in militia plot to kill cops

HAMMOND | A 46-year-old Hammond man arrested over the weekend in an FBI operation targeting alleged members of an extremist Christian militia planning to kill a Michigan police officer and blow up cars of other cops in his funeral procession has contested his transfer from Indiana to Michigan, where he is charged with sedition and weapons violations.

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Piatek is one of nine suspects indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit and accused of taking part in a Christian militia group's plot to kill a police officer in Michigan, and then blow up the cars of law enforcement officials attending the funeral.

The suspects are tied to a group known as the Hutaree, and are charged with seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosive materials and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.

Boy... sure was a good thing they got that report pulled. Obviously no basis in reality whatsoever.

Thanks guys!
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   3/30/2010, 8:09 am

More links:

Militia Members Charged With Plotting To Kill Cops

The Hutaree militia and the rising risk of far-right violence

Hutaree militia arrests point to tripling of militias since 2008
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   3/30/2010, 8:24 am

And of course, conservatives come rallying to the defense of the Hutaree. And the asshat and former militia leader that's been telling everyone to throw bricks through DNC windows says this could mean war.

Stay classy! :wave:
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PostSubject: Re: Obama insults half of the country   3/30/2010, 3:52 pm

They're really toning down the rhetoric,aren't they? This seems to be their latest sign. On the plus side,at least it's easier to spell.
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