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Yes, I know it looks like the Constitution is a dead document now but some of us still like it.

The Constitution is not dead, it remains the law of our land as promised. But it has been set aside, hidden and ignored while they've set up a second jurisdiction, a corporate system, which looks amazingly like our own. They're stealing our country, TAKE it back! By ANY means necessary!

I see you, Mirage, have seen through the Matrix. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around. What do you see? Business people, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, posters on this message board. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy.

You do understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on that corrupted system, that they will fight to protect it.

If you are not one of us, you are one of them.

Artie60438 wrote:

Mirage wrote:

You know the wingnuts keep saying how they won the election. Granted. But that is not license to circumvent the Constitution. And I wonder if they would have said the same thing if they lived in Nazi Germany when Hitler got voted in. Well hey, he won the election!

Wait, you say, this isn't Nazi Germany. Neither was Germany until after the election.

Godwins Law. Game Over! :dyno:

Looks more like Quirk's Exception to me, Artie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage

It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized codicil that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful (this is sometimes referred to as "Quirk's Exception").

This is why the notion of creating a new homeland, if you will, that will follow the true intent of the Constitution is becoming more attractive. Until 2009 I would have never entertained such a thing but in a mere 3 months of this President and Congress being in office in addition to past erodings of the Constitution I'm seeing the writing on the wall.

As I have been saying, and as you allude to, these degradations of liberty are not so obvious to all. While you probably don't share my expressed concerns about the Antichrist what you see as a trend I see as the explanation. The enemy of my enemy, as it were.

If US citizens were being more vocal in their opposition, were it abundantly clear that they wish to vote these leaders out of their plans at the earliest given opportunity, were there more reason to be hopeful that the opposition voices would be heard it would all be a different situation. But the apathy of America over what is happening frightens me to no end. What will be, will be but that doesn't mean we must surrender liberty without a fight of one sort or another. So if we fight to resist the current trends or flea to a new Republic reflecting the ideals we love and cherish to do nothing at all and just hope for a resolution is foolish and cowardice.

It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread.

Except when it's neither arbitrary or an unfair comparison.

Here Mirage. I'll give you another chance to point out what, if anything is incorrect in this post. Let's see if you can answer without mentioning Hitler this time.

Mirage wrote:

So he won an election. Big whoop. And a lot of people wish they could have that vote back.

There is no evidence of that. In fact, all the polls show that the number of people who approve of what the President is doing far exceeds the number who voted for him.

Mirage wrote:

That didn't mean every voter was giving a mandate to push this country further into socialism and ruin of the US dollar.

Socialism! Socialism! Give it a break, Mirage. I can tell you this much. If you're representative of the GOP in this country, the Republican Party is in bigger trouble than I ever imagined. The GOP isn't going to get anywhere crying "Socialist" at every opportunity.

Mirage wrote:

They believed his myth of tax cuts. They believed the myth he would get them good permanent jobs. IMO most just believed a lie. Well most except the part of corporate American that contributed greatly to Dem campaigns and in turn benefited from a big payback with taxpayer money that we have to print up and borrow to pay back.

The middle class tax cut "myth" is already a reality. And it's just laughable that you blame a President whose been in office a little more than 60 days for everything that's gone wrong with the economy in this country. It's especially ludicrous since the current economic crisis began well before the election.

Mirage wrote:

Why if anything you could argue that corporate America bought the election for Obama and many of the Dems by giving him enough money to buy campaign spots a plenty so as to brainwash the American electorate. So how is that the same as voting a mandate for socialism and more government restrictions? I ask you!

So corporations conspired to put Obama into office? Man, you sure do like conspiracies, don't you? The fact is that Obama raised more money through direct donations from the general public than any other Presidential candidate in history.

The proposed restrictions are required to ensure the continued viability of our economic system. You act as if there is no economic crisis. Guess what? There is a crisis. And we need to take steps to get it under control and make certain that it never happens again. It's time for pragmatic solutions to the problem. Knee jerk ideology doesn't "feed the bulldog."

Mirage wrote:

This is why the notion of creating a new homeland, if you will, that will follow the true intent of the Constitution is becoming more attractive. Until 2009 I would have never entertained such a thing but in a mere 3 months of this President and Congress being in office in addition to past erodings of the Constitution I'm seeing the writing on the wall.

Exactly how has Obama "eroded the Constitution?" You need to be specific, if you're advocating revolution or secession.

Mirage wrote:

As I have been saying, and as you allude to, these degradations of liberty are not so obvious to all. While you probably don't share my expressed concerns about the Antichrist what you see as a trend I see as the explanation. The enemy of my enemy, as it were.

So you're saying that Obama should be removed from office, forcibly if necessary, because you believe that he is the Anti Christ? I didn't think it was possible, but you've outdone yourself once again, Mirage.

Mirage wrote:

If US citizens were being more vocal in their opposition, were it abundantly clear that they wish to vote these leaders out of their plans at the earliest given opportunity, were there more reason to be hopeful that the opposition voices would be heard it would all be a different situation. But the apathy of America over what is happening frightens me to no end.

Once again. it has nothing to do with "apathy." A clear majority of the American people support the steps this President is taking.

Mirage wrote:

What will be, will be but that doesn't mean we must surrender liberty without a fight of one sort or another. So if we fight to resist the current trends or flea to a new Republic reflecting the ideals we love and cherish to do nothing at all and just hope for a resolution is foolish and cowardice.

Again, you have to be specific if you're advocating drastic steps. If you don't, you look like a lunatic. And I gotta tell ya, the Anti Christ stuff doesn't help your argument at all.