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PostSubject: The US Auto Makers   3/5/2009, 10:58 pm

OK, I already know some of you may bash me, but as like most intelligent people I have changed my mind. As some if not most of you know I have been the in the car business since March 24, 1987. It has been the life blood of my family ever since. Yes there have been real bumps in the road, and right now is no exception at all, BUT, from my contacts in the business, banks etc…., it really seems like a BK is in the cards for General Motors. I stand by my comment that the general consumer won’t buy cars from a company that has filed, but at a current SAR at 9.1-9.2 million cars, no one is buying anyway. There is a concern about the suppliers and how they can fair through this. All of the auto makers have squeezed the suppliers to a very thin margin and by most accounts can’t take the punch. If the suppliers go out, how many jobs will that cost. You have car transports, interior vendors, seat vendors, electronic vendors, etc… While I don’t really think this is the best answer, I do believe with the current economic climate, that this may be the only answer for GM to survive never mind Ford or Chrysler. Yes I know Chrysler is a private company, but they do have a market. None the less, I think it is time, and maybe with GM filing BK, maybe the labor unions will take notice. No I am not only blaming the labor unions, but they have always been a thorn to all of the auto makers. I don't know what the answer is, but it is time for the tide to turn.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 8:15 am

Hang in there. One way or another it will come back.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 8:37 am

Face wrote:
None the less, I think it is time, and maybe with GM filing BK, maybe the labor unions will take notice. No I am not only blaming the labor unions, but they have always been a thorn to all of the auto makers. I don't know what the answer is, but it is time for the tide to turn.

Face,One of the remedies would be universal health care. Health care costs are a major cost factor in almost all businesses.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 8:45 am

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Face,One of the remedies would be universal health care. Health care costs are a major cost factor in almost all businesses.

Universal health care WILL NOT cure this or any other business. It still has to be paid for, and when the government gets involved, quality goes down, and costs always seem to go up. While I gree health care costs are way too high, universal health care is not the answer.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 8:52 am

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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 12:13 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
Face wrote:
None the less, I think it is time, and maybe with GM filing BK, maybe the labor unions will take notice. No I am not only blaming the labor unions, but they have always been a thorn to all of the auto makers. I don't know what the answer is, but it is time for the tide to turn.

Face,One of the remedies would be universal health care. Health care costs are a major cost factor in almost all businesses.

I thought GM didn't pay for healthcare since turning over $bils to the union to take it over?
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 12:33 pm

Besides the health care problem, GM simply makes too many models of the same fricken' car.
For example:
2009 Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse, GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook - it's the same damn thing.
Do they REALLY need to make ALL of them?
Here's the problem: they make too many cars.
Does Honda make 4 versions of the Accord?...nope
Does Toyota make 4 versions of the Camry or 4 versions of a pickup truck?...nope.

GM's marketing strategy might have worked in the past but it sure as hell isn't going to work now.
The only way GM can survive is to downsize.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 1:48 pm

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INTERESTING...maybe the country should consider bailing them out to some degree

Nothing needs to be said... Ford, Chrysler and GM's contributions after 9/11

An interesting commentary...You might find this of interest:

'CNN Headline News did a short news listing regarding Ford and GM's
contributions to the relief and recovery efforts in New York and Washington.

The findings are as follows.....

1. Ford- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions
of the same number plus 10 Excursions to NY Fire Dept. The company also
offered ER response ! team services and office space to displaced government employees.

2. GM- $10 million to American Red Cross matching employee contributions
of the same number and a fleet of Vans, SUV's, and Trucks...

3. Daimler Chrysler-$10 million to support of the children and victims
of the Sept. 11 attack.

4. Harley Davidson motorcycles- $1 million and 30 new
motorcycles to the New York Police Dept.

5. Volkswagen-Employees and management created a Sept 11 Foundation,
funded initial with $2 million, for the assistance of the children and victims of the WTC.

6. Hyundai- $300,000 to the American Red Cross.

7. Audi- see V W

8. BMW - Nothing.

9. Daewoo - Nothing.

10. Fiat - Nothing.

11. Honda - Nothing despite boasting of second best sales month ever in August 2001

12. Isuzu - Nothing..

13. Mitsubishi - Nothing.

14. Nissan - Nothing.

15. Porsche - Nothing. Press release with condolences via the Porsche website.

16. Subaru - Nothing.

17. Suzuki - Nothing.

18. Toyota - Nothing despite claims of high sales in July and August 2001.
Condolences posted on the website .


Whenever the time may be for you to purchase or lease a new vehicle,
keep this information in mind. You might want to give more consideration
to a car manufactured by an American-owned and / or American based
company. Apart from Hyundai and Volkswagen, the foreign car companies
contributed nothing at all to the citizens of the United States

... It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparently
not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should not
forget things like this. Say thank you in a way that gets their attention....
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 2:18 pm

edge540 wrote:
Besides the health care problem, GM simply makes too many models of the same fricken' car.
For example:
2009 Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse, GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook - it's the same damn thing.
Do they REALLY need to make ALL of them?
Here's the problem: they make too many cars.
Does Honda make 4 versions of the Accord?...nope
Does Toyota make 4 versions of the Camry or 4 versions of a pickup truck?...nope.

GM's marketing strategy might have worked in the past but it sure as hell isn't going to work now.
The only way GM can survive is to downsize.

What difference does it make? They are all GM vehicles. They don't cannibalize each other. Is the problem that you find the choice too confusing?
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 3:16 pm

Robin Banks wrote:
edge540 wrote:
Besides the health care problem, GM simply makes too many models of the same fricken' car.
For example:
2009 Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse, GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook - it's the same damn thing.
Do they REALLY need to make ALL of them?
Here's the problem: they make too many cars.
Does Honda make 4 versions of the Accord?...nope
Does Toyota make 4 versions of the Camry or 4 versions of a pickup truck?...nope.

GM's marketing strategy might have worked in the past but it sure as hell isn't going to work now.
The only way GM can survive is to downsize.

What difference does it make? They are all GM vehicles. They don't cannibalize each other. Is the problem that you find the choice too confusing?

You're kidding,right? You don't see where making 4 different versions of the exact same car leads to higher production costs? For example,just having to produce 4 different brochures would not be as cost effective as producing just 1.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 4:09 pm

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What difference does it make? They are all GM vehicles. They don't cannibalize each other.

Difference is I don't see Honda & Toyota begging for your money.
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Is the problem that you find the choice too confusing?
No not at all. It's really not MY problem,it's GM's "PROBLEM."
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 4:15 pm

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... It's OK for these companies to take money out of this country, but it is apparently
not acceptable to return some in a time of crisis. I believe we should not
forget things like this. Say thank you in a way that gets their attention....

You made a good point but you also are ignoring the many thousands of jobs those companie are providing to US citizens....that money THEY make & the taxes they pay stays in the United States.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/6/2009, 9:02 pm

Difference is I don't see Honda & Toyota begging for your money.

How much did Ford get?
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/7/2009, 9:10 am

edge540 wrote:
Difference is I don't see Honda & Toyota begging for your money.

Actually Toyota just in the past week told the government in Japan, it may need help.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/7/2009, 9:14 am

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I thought GM didn't pay for healthcare since turning over $bils to the union to take it over?

I don't believe that starts yet, and that is part of the problems the big three have had with the unions in the recent talks, the companies don't have the money that they thought they would, so the big "nest egg" thtat the union was to get for health care is not going to come right away.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/7/2009, 10:13 am

Face it, the U.S. is headed for the sewer. All the pensions, outside of the Feds is depleted. The FDIC has had to borrow...Obama is not leading this country out of debt. He's destroying it worse than when it was handed over to him.

WallStreet even said he's spending too damn much money. Money we don't have. It also isn't how much, it's how he's spending it.

We're about as close as a bottomed out country can get. They keep throwing money at AIG, and the Big Three, for what? People are repairing their cars, not buying.

Even the rich dudes are hanging on to their money. Everyone is. Everyone is going to drown before Obama is done printing money. Just my opinion from what I've been reading and seeing in the news.

It's going to cost our kids, grandkids, great-grand kids dearly. I blame it all on the crooks WallStreet and the political corruption, coupled with this stupid war on religion.

Why are we throwing money at other poor nations when we can't even rebuild Katrina, or take care of our own mess.

I think the solution for government is to over-haul it. Obama added a hundred thousand more to the government payroll. We as the public, should demand that they take lie detector tests before they hold any public office. This is crap today.

When I see Obama, I see Burris. When I see Burris, I see Blago. When I see Blago, I see the whole state of Illinois running the country based on their values. (Values???? LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!)
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/7/2009, 10:18 am

By the way, Artie...Rush gives me a "Rush" when he speaks the truth and the Demos don't like it, or the Repubs....there's no difference in the parties. Either you're a crooked politician, left or right, no matter what party you're affiliated with. I have no faith in the two party system.

I've lost faith in most politicians. Well, all of them. I don't know whom to believe anymore, and I've gotten where I don't give a ratz azz anymore. They're out for themselves, and you know it, don't you?

Everything Obama preached on the campaign trail is being flashed back on tv, and it shows him now doing the opposite.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/7/2009, 3:54 pm

UrRight wrote:

Everything Obama preached on the campaign trail is being flashed back on tv, and it shows him now doing the opposite.

That's simply not true.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/7/2009, 4:02 pm

Depends on the channel, I guess. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/7/2009, 5:30 pm

BWG, you're cut and paste about contributions by auto makers is at least partially incorrect.
More accurate information can be found at:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/automakers.asp

I can't copy from the page, but you can read it yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   3/11/2009, 5:09 pm

edge540 wrote:
Besides the health care problem, GM simply makes too many models of the same fricken' car.
For example:
2009 Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse, GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook - it's the same damn thing.
Do they REALLY need to make ALL of them?
Here's the problem: they make too many cars.
Does Honda make 4 versions of the Accord?...nope
Does Toyota make 4 versions of the Camry or 4 versions of a pickup truck?...nope.

GM's marketing strategy might have worked in the past but it sure as hell isn't going to work now.
The only way GM can survive is to downsize.

I have to agree with you on this one... I look at the cars on the road and think WTF? Why so many similar types of models? It makes no sense, no wonder why they are doing poorly.

Downsizing is what they should do and restructure. No more gv't money keeping them afloat.
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PostSubject: Re: The US Auto Makers   10/29/2012, 3:21 pm

Ah Ha! So that's why I haven't been able to buy a new Rambler Damn you,Obama!

Congresswoman Accuses Obama Of ‘Harming’ Auto Company That Went Defunct In 1988
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A Republican congresswoman accused the Obama administration of promulgating regulations that are undermining job creation at an auto manufacturer that has been defunct since 1988. She was responding to a question on Monday about Mitt Romney’s dishonest claims regarding Jeep moving its production overseas.

During an appearance on MSNBC, Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) dodged a question about Romney’s debunked Jeep claims and instead attacked the Obama administration for issuing regulations that are harming workers at American Motors Corporation, a company once headed by George Romney. AMC was sold to Chrysler during the Ronald Reagan administration and its brands were then discontinued:

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CHIRS JENSING (HOST): Let me ask you about some of the things going on on the campaign trail, and there’s a controversy about Mitt Romney telling voters that jeep is going to move production to China. According to the company that’s entirely false. Is he lying about that?

BLACKBURN: Oh, well, I don’t know. I haven’t talked with with the campaign staff about that. I will say this. For workers in the auto industry, across the board, whether it is GM, whether it’s Nissan, whether it’s American Motors, individuals are very concerned about the impact of regulation that the EPA and OSHA and other federal agencies are heaping on our manufacturers.

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Since the auto rescue, GM, Ford, and Chrysler are experiencing increases in sales of 10, 13, and 14 percent, respectively. Obama’s approach, which Romney vehemently opposed, helped save as many as 1.3 million jobs and the administration’s new fuel efficiency standards and incentives included in the 2009 stimulus are driving American-made cars to be become more competitive in an international market.
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