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Robin Banks

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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   2/20/2009, 12:05 pm

The USDA disagrees:

"the recent USDA report concludes that at current prices sugarcaneand sugar beets-to-ethanol would be profitable in the United States, many factors — especially the domestic price of sugar and the government’s energy policies — will affect the future commercialization of sugar-to-ethanol in the U.S. USDA Chief Economist Keith Collins said at the release of the USDA report: “At some point in the future it may be worthy of commercial development. Technologically, it’s possible."
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   2/20/2009, 12:35 pm

Don't dismiss Garbage to Ethanol, either.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   2/20/2009, 2:33 pm

remember sludge to methane as well
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   2/24/2009, 6:50 pm

Here is a very informative site about hydrogen basics.
http://www.fuelcells.org/hydrogen/basics.html
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   2/25/2009, 10:59 am

Fuel cells are only one option for hydrogen use. There are others as well.

I believe that American ingenuity will find more ways to use hydrogen and other fuels in the near future.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   2/25/2009, 11:30 am

Robin Banks wrote:
Fuel cells are only one option for hydrogen use. There are others as well.

I believe that American ingenuity will find more ways to use hydrogen and other fuels in the near future.
If you look at the site, they explain hydrogen already in use. Very informative, and some stuff I did not know.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   2/25/2009, 12:40 pm

Oh yeah, it's very interesting. By the way, good to have you back.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   2/25/2009, 5:51 pm

Robin Banks wrote:
Oh yeah, it's very interesting. By the way, good to have you back.
Thankxxx
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   6/13/2009, 6:01 pm

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Home hydrogen. Fuel cells have powered space flight for decades, and auto companies hope they'll soon be ready for cars. In a decade or two, they should be commonly available for the basement, says Tom Drennen, an associate professor at Hobart and William Smith Colleges and coauthor of Pathways to a Hydrogen Future. "There's a lot of efficiency in generating electricity where it is used," he says.

Fuel cells generate electricity through a chemical process that combines hydrogen and oxygen. When the inputs are pure, the only side products are water and heat in a process that's long been perfected. "What's not perfected is getting the fuel, the hydrogen, to them," says Branko Terzic, a Deloitte consultant on energy policy.

A few Japanese companies have installed experimental models in homes that run off natural gas. An added device strips hydrogen from the gas to fuel the cells, which generate electricity and hot water. A smaller slice of American homes have gas service, limiting that approach here. Converting natural gas also produces greenhouse gases. But the process is still less polluting than traditional electrical generation. "And nothing's wasted getting it to the home," Drennen says.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/business/technology/2009/03/18/5-future-technologies-that-will-slash-home-energy-use.html?PageNr=2
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   6/13/2009, 8:02 pm

Robin Banks wrote:
Oh yeah, it's very interesting. By the way, good to have you back.

Agreed. To both you and Lois.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   7/14/2009, 6:09 pm

OK nay sayers, jump on...
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Turkish students at Sakarya University have built a hydrogen car that gets 1,336 mpg. Well, sorta.

Called the SAHİMO, the vehicle’s current range is about 353 miles on a quarter gallon of fuel (568 kilometers on 1 liter). It travels such an obscene distance with so little fuel due to the vehicle’s uber-light weight: it weighs only 240 pounds (110 kilograms). The car’s made up of 90-percent carbon fiber.

I assume the size and weight limit it to holding only a liter of fuel. I couldn’t verify this as their site is in Turkish and mine is a little rusty.

The SAHMO won third most efficient vehicle in Europe’s 26th Shell Eco Marathon. And their next goal is to conquer the inaugural 2009 Global Green Challengee–an evolution of the World Solar Challenge competition in Australia–this October. About twenty electric, hybrid, alternative fuel and low emission production and prototype vehicles will compete in the race.

Melemez, a fourth-year student in the engineering department at Sakarya University, says “We are hoping to raise our record from 568 kilometers on one liter of hydrogen up to a full 1,000 kilometers on one liter, and we believe we can do it.”

A 3,000 kilometer trek across the Australian Outback on just 3 liters is quite ambitious but I really hope they can pull it off.

But before you think about running out and buying one, the car did cost $170,000 to build.

The 40-member group that developed the SAHIMO hydrogen car is the Sakarya University Advanced Technologies Implementation Group (SAITEM). Today’s Zaman reports that the team hopes to work on a non-piloted aircraft next and is already trying to get support from Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI).
http://gas2.org/2009/07/13/students-build-hydrogen-vehicle-that-gets-1336-mpg/
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/4/2009, 8:10 am

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Van Jones: "What about our immigrant sisters and brothers? What about people who've come here from all around the world who we're willing to have out in the field with poison being sprayed on them because we have the wrong agricultural system, and then we're willing to poison them and poison the earth to put food on our table but we don't want to give them rights and we don't want to give them dignity and we don't want to give them respect. We need to get down on our knees and thank these Native American communities but also the Latino community, Asian community and every other community that's willing to come here and help is out because we obviously need some help. We need some wisdom from some place else because what we've come up with where don't make no sense at all. ...

"This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don't stop there! Don't stop there! We're gonna change the whole system! We're gonna change the whole thing! [...] And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what? Renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth! Give them the wealth! Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/4/2009, 8:26 am

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Van Jones: "What about our immigrant sisters and brothers? What about people who've come here from all around the world who we're willing to have out in the field with poison being sprayed on them because we have the wrong agricultural system, and then we're willing to poison them and poison the earth to put food on our table but we don't want to give them rights and we don't want to give them dignity and we don't want to give them respect. We need to get down on our knees and thank these Native American communities but also the Latino community, Asian community and every other community that's willing to come here and help is out because we obviously need some help. We need some wisdom from some place else because what we've come up with where don't make no sense at all. ...

"This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don't stop there! Don't stop there! We're gonna change the whole system! We're gonna change the whole thing! [...] And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what? Renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth! Give them the wealth! Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt.
Two questions. First, why are you posting copyrighted material without a link?
Second question, after you edit this post and provide a link, are you going to share your thoughts about what Van Jones wrote?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/4/2009, 9:01 am

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LoisLane wrote:
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Van Jones: "What about our immigrant sisters and brothers? What about people who've come here from all around the world who we're willing to have out in the field with poison being sprayed on them because we have the wrong agricultural system, and then we're willing to poison them and poison the earth to put food on our table but we don't want to give them rights and we don't want to give them dignity and we don't want to give them respect. We need to get down on our knees and thank these Native American communities but also the Latino community, Asian community and every other community that's willing to come here and help is out because we obviously need some help. We need some wisdom from some place else because what we've come up with where don't make no sense at all. ...

"This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don't stop there! Don't stop there! We're gonna change the whole system! We're gonna change the whole thing! [...] And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what? Renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth! Give them the wealth! Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt.
Two questions. First, why are you posting copyrighted material without a link?
Second question, after you edit this post and provide a link, are you going to share your thoughts about what Van Jones wrote?
Dry up, toad...
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/4/2009, 9:10 am

LoisLane wrote:
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Van Jones: "What about our immigrant sisters and brothers? What about people who've come here from all around the world who we're willing to have out in the field with poison being sprayed on them because we have the wrong agricultural system, and then we're willing to poison them and poison the earth to put food on our table but we don't want to give them rights and we don't want to give them dignity and we don't want to give them respect. We need to get down on our knees and thank these Native American communities but also the Latino community, Asian community and every other community that's willing to come here and help is out because we obviously need some help. We need some wisdom from some place else because what we've come up with where don't make no sense at all. ...

"This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don't stop there! Don't stop there! We're gonna change the whole system! We're gonna change the whole thing! [...] And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what? Renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth! Give them the wealth! Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt.

Thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/4/2009, 11:12 am

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LoisLane wrote:
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Van Jones: "What about our immigrant sisters and brothers? What about people who've come here from all around the world who we're willing to have out in the field with poison being sprayed on them because we have the wrong agricultural system, and then we're willing to poison them and poison the earth to put food on our table but we don't want to give them rights and we don't want to give them dignity and we don't want to give them respect. We need to get down on our knees and thank these Native American communities but also the Latino community, Asian community and every other community that's willing to come here and help is out because we obviously need some help. We need some wisdom from some place else because what we've come up with where don't make no sense at all. ...

"This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don't stop there! Don't stop there! We're gonna change the whole system! We're gonna change the whole thing! [...] And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what? Renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth! Give them the wealth! Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt.

Thoughts?
I'll wait until after this weekend, after he gets the ax...
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/6/2009, 10:12 am

LoisLane wrote:
Heretic wrote:
LoisLane wrote:
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Van Jones: "What about our immigrant sisters and brothers? What about people who've come here from all around the world who we're willing to have out in the field with poison being sprayed on them because we have the wrong agricultural system, and then we're willing to poison them and poison the earth to put food on our table but we don't want to give them rights and we don't want to give them dignity and we don't want to give them respect. We need to get down on our knees and thank these Native American communities but also the Latino community, Asian community and every other community that's willing to come here and help is out because we obviously need some help. We need some wisdom from some place else because what we've come up with where don't make no sense at all. ...

"This movement is deeper than a solar panel! Deeper than a solar panel! Don't stop there! Don't stop there! We're gonna change the whole system! We're gonna change the whole thing! [...] And our Native American sisters and brothers who were pushed and bullied and mistreated and shoved into all the land we didn't want, where it was all hot and windy. Well, guess what? Renewable energy? Guess what, solar industry? Guess what wind industry? They now own and control 80 percent of the renewable energy resources. No more broken treaties. No more broken treaties. Give them the wealth! Give them the wealth! Give them the dignity. Give them the respect that they deserve. No justice on stolen land. We owe them a debt.

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I'll wait until after this weekend, after he gets the ax...
Ooopps, told ya!
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/6/2009, 10:25 am

We grow our own food?

I thought the gov't is paying farmers NOT to farm.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/6/2009, 10:33 am

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We grow our own food?

I thought the gov't is paying farmers NOT to farm.
The government STILL hands out subsidies to tobacco growers...even though they try to tax it out of existence...and these people want to go into the health care business? YIKES
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/6/2009, 11:05 am

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UrRight wrote:
We grow our own food?

I thought the gov't is paying farmers NOT to farm.
The government STILL hands out subsidies to tobacco growers...even though they try to tax it out of existence...and these people want to go into the health care business? YIKES

Thank the Republicans.....

Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner actually handed out checks from the tobacco industry on the floor of the House to fellow Congressmen in 1995 when they were considering a bill to end a tobacco subsidy.
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Windfall For Big Tobacco Will Cost American Taxpayers $500 Million

Statement By Matthew L. Myers, President Campaign For Tobacco-Free Kids

Washington, DC - The cigarette companies and Senator Mitch McConnell (KY) are at it again. At a time when serious and thoughtful proposals are needed to address the real problems facing tobacco farmers, Senator McConnell recently inserted a provision into the Agriculture Appropriations bill that will use $500 million of U.S. taxpayer dollars to buy up hundreds of tons of surplus burley tobacco leaf. According to industry sources, the big cigarette companies are planning to buy this tobacco from the Government at a steep discount that will give them hundreds of millions of dollars in windfall savings.

While Senator McConnell says this government purchase of surplus burley leaf is designed to help U.S. tobacco farmers, it actually does more to bail out the big cigarette companies who caused this crisis by turning their backs on American farmers and using increasingly large amounts of foreign instead of American-grown tobacco in the cigarettes they sell. The cigarette companies should be held directly responsible for creating the large surplus inventories of American-grown tobacco and for causing the enormous problems that many small U.S. tobacco farmers currently face. Instead, the McConnell provision rewards the companies by selling them taxpay
http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/Script/DisplayPressRelease.php3?Display=308
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/6/2009, 11:11 am

I said government...not Democrat or Republican...they then want to bring their hypocrisy to the health care industry...No thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/6/2009, 11:14 am

LoisLane wrote:
LoisLane wrote:
Heretic wrote:
Thoughts?
I'll wait until after this weekend, after he gets the ax...
Ooopps, told ya!

So... Thoughts on the quotes above?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/6/2009, 11:18 am

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I said government...not Democrat or Republican...they then want to bring their hypocrisy to the health care industry...No thank you.

Which is why I took the time to point out the error in your allegation. Don't try and include Democrats when in fact it's republicans that cause the problems.

Republicans are always whining about how Gov't doesn't work after they are the ones who screw things up.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/6/2009, 11:40 am

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LoisLane wrote:
I said government...not Democrat or Republican...they then want to bring their hypocrisy to the health care industry...No thank you.

Which is why I took the time to point out the error in your allegation. Don't try and include Democrats when in fact it's republicans that cause the problems.

Republicans are always whining about how Gov't doesn't work after they are the ones who screw things up.
Democrat Congress...Tobacco Subsidy...Still Exists, doesn't it? Now, where was that error, gramps?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of Fuel and Energy Technology   9/6/2009, 11:48 am

LoisLane wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
LoisLane wrote:
I said government...not Democrat or Republican...they then want to bring their hypocrisy to the health care industry...No thank you.

Which is why I took the time to point out the error in your allegation. Don't try and include Democrats when in fact it's republicans that cause the problems.

Republicans are always whining about how Gov't doesn't work after they are the ones who screw things up.
Democrat Congress...Tobacco Subsidy...Still Exists, doesn't it? Now, where was that error, gramps?

Couldn't do anything about it when Bushbaby was in charge. Heretic asked you a question. Plan on answering it?
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