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Scorpion

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PostSubject: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    6/22/2011, 3:44 pm

Isn't this special?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110621/ap_on_re_us/us_planned_parenthood_indiana

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INDIANAPOLIS – Thousands of low-income Planned Parenthood of Indiana patients were left fending for themselves Tuesday to pay for birth control, breast exams, Pap tests and other medical services while a court battle continued over a new state law that eliminated the organization's Medicaid funding.

Planned Parenthood began turning away Medicaid patients who couldn't pay for its medical services Tuesday, one day after private donations that had paid those patients' bills ran out.

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Planned Parenthood sued the state May 10, arguing that the de-funding measure is unconstitutional and violates federal law.

The Obama administration said in a June 1 letter that the state's new Medicaid plan cutting funding for Planned Parenthood violated federal law. The Justice Department filed a brief last week supporting Planned Parenthood's request for an injunction.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Walton Pratt has given the state until Friday to respond to that brief.


Another fine example of what happens when Republicans are in power. You know, the Democratic Party does a lot of things that I'm not always thrilled about, but the Democrats would never defund an organization as important as Planned Parenthood, especially for purely ideological reasons. I know I've said it before, but it bears repeating... Obeisance to their rabid ideologies is what makes the Republicans unsuitable to govern.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    6/22/2011, 3:58 pm

I cringe at the stupidity of wingnuts who think this is a good idea. Lots of the usual comments like "not with my tax dollars"! always follow up articles like you posted. Who do these idiots think is going to end up paying for unplanned pregnancies born to mothers on medicaid or for the care of someone who ends up with an undiagnosed cancer because they couldn't afford to get a pap smear or a mammogram?

Reminds me of this old commercial,whose logic of preventive maintenance still holds true.....

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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/1/2011, 1:48 pm

Federal Judge Orders Kansas to Restore Planned Parenthood Funding
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This is what's going to happen in state after state where the Republican Party is passing illegal and/or unconstitutional legislation to suppress women's rights: Judge orders Kansas to restore funding to Planned Parenthood.

The "party of fiscal responsibility" has wasted enormous amounts of money and time on these laws. It's the clearest illustration of the GOP's true agenda, which has very little to do with the economy or government spending, and very much to do with radical right wing social engineering.

A federal judge ordered that funding for Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri be restored immediately, after a new state law stripped it of funding for non-abortion activities.

A provision in the Kansas budget prioritized family planning funding for clinics that did not perform abortions over those clinics that did, meaning that the region's Planned Parenthood clinics would go un-funded for the majority of their services. The group would lose an estimated $330,000 in funding per year under the new regulation.

Earlier this month, when the lawsuit between Planned Parenthood and the state began, the state had requested permission to deliver monthly reimbursement payments to Planned Parenthood instead of the usual quarterly lump sum the clinic receives.

U.S. District Judge J. Thomas Marten ruled Tuesday evening that the state would have to continue funding Planned Parenthood and that they would do so on the previous quarterly schedule. Without the funding, Planned Parenthood said that their clinics in Hays and Wichita would be unable to provide services beyond this week.

Marten wrote in Tuesday's order (PDF) that the status quo between the state and Planned Parenthood must be restored, including the payment schedule. Reimbursements "would have the effect of undermining the plaintiff's ability to maintain its current level of services."

"The court finds no injury to the defendants in maintaining the prior payment schedule, as they will be providing funding in a manner consistent with prior practice between the parties, and to an organization which has consistently provided satisfactory family planning services," the order continued.

The state had previously refused to pay any taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood this month, and had in fact reappropriated the money that the clinics usually received elsewhere. The Kansas Department of Health and Environment shifted $204,000 to the Sedgwick County health department's non-abortion family planning services program.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/2/2011, 5:25 pm

[quote="Scorpion"]
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INDIANAPOLIS – Thousands of low-income Planned Parenthood of Indiana patients were left fending for themselves Tuesday to pay for birth control, breast exams, Pap tests and other medical services ....
These "other medical services" of which they speak - why are these services not named or described?
Just axin'.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/2/2011, 6:21 pm

[quote="happy jack"]
Scorpion wrote:

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INDIANAPOLIS – Thousands of low-income Planned Parenthood of Indiana patients were left fending for themselves Tuesday to pay for birth control, breast exams, Pap tests and other medical services ....
These "other medical services" of which they speak - why are these services not named or described?
Just axin'.
Here are a list of services they provide with funding from the government.
Pelvic Exam and Pap Test

Colposcopy and Cryotherapy Screenings

LEEP Procedure

HPV Vaccine

Breast Exam

Birth Control Methods

Pregnancy Testing and Options Counseling

Sexually Transmitted Infection Testing and Treatment
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/2/2011, 7:35 pm

[quote="sparks"]
happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:


These "other medical services" of which they speak - why are these services not named or described?
Just axin'.[/b]
Here are a list of services they provide with funding from the government.
Pelvic Exam and Pap Test

Colposcopy and Cryotherapy Screenings

LEEP Procedure

HPV Vaccine

Breast Exam

Birth Control Methods

Pregnancy Testing and Options Counseling

Sexually Transmitted Infection Testing and Treatment
Aren't you omitting one of the services?
C'mon, we're all adults here - you can say it.
Hey, let's pretend we're at Woodstock!
Gimme an A.... gimme a B.... gimme an O ....
What's that spell?
What's that spell?
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/2/2011, 9:16 pm

happy jack wrote:

[b]Aren't you omitting one of the services?
C'mon, we're all adults here - you can say it.
Hey, let's pretend we're at Woodstock!
[i]Gimme an A.... gimme a B.... gimme an O ....
What's that spell?
What's that spell?
We have gone over this multiple times. Federal funding is not used for that.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/2/2011, 9:40 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:

Aren't you omitting one of the services?
C'mon, we're all adults here - you can say it.
Hey, let's pretend we're at Woodstock!
[i]Gimme an A.... gimme a B.... gimme an O ....
What's that spell?
What's that spell?
We have gone over this multiple times. Federal funding is not used for that.
Of course it isn't.
We all know that money for abortions comes out of a separate big sack of cash with a big dollar sign on it, exactly like the one all of our Social Security money is kept in.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/3/2011, 7:43 am

[quote="happy jack"]
sparks wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Here are a list of services they provide with funding from the government.
Pelvic Exam and Pap Test

Colposcopy and Cryotherapy Screenings

LEEP Procedure

HPV Vaccine

Breast Exam

Birth Control Methods

Pregnancy Testing and Options Counseling

Sexually Transmitted Infection Testing and Treatment
Aren't you omitting one of the services?
C'mon, we're all adults here - you can say it.
Hey, let's pretend we're at Woodstock!
Gimme an A.... gimme a B.... gimme an O ....
What's that spell?
What's that spell?
Why are you so concerned with trying to control what women do with their bodies? I believe the government’s authority stops where the individual’s skin starts.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/3/2011, 12:53 pm

sparks wrote:

Why are you so concerned with trying to control what women do with their bodies?
I couldn't care less what women do with their own bodies. What concerns me is when they suck other peoples' bodies through vacuum hoses, causing them to become dismembered.


http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/22week/01_22.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/3/2011, 2:00 pm

happy jack wrote:
sparks wrote:

Why are you so concerned with trying to control what women do with their bodies?
[b]I couldn't care less what women do with their own bodies. What concerns me is when they suck other peoples' bodies through vacuum hoses, causing them to become dismembered.
If you want to discuss abortion start a thread about it instead of trying to drag this thread off-topic.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/3/2011, 4:20 pm

Artie60438 wrote:

If you want to discuss abortion start a thread about it instead of trying to drag this thread off-topic.

Planned Parenthood and abortion are inextricably linked.
Be quiet.
Go away.


http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion-4260.asp

There are two kinds of abortion in the U.S. — in-clinic abortion and the abortion pill.
Abortions are very common. In fact, more than 1 out of 3 women in the U.S. have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old.
If you are pregnant, you have options. If you are trying to decide if abortion is the right choice for you, you probably have many things to think about. Learning the facts about abortion may help you in making your decision. You may also want to learn more about parenting and adoption.
If you are under 18, your state may require one or both of your parents to give permission for your abortion or be told of your decision prior to the abortion. However, in most states you can ask a judge to excuse you from these requirements. Learn more about parental consent for abortion.
Only you can decide what is best for you. But we are here to help. A staff member at your local Planned Parenthood health center can discuss abortion and all of your options with you and help you find the services you need.

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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/3/2011, 4:43 pm

happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:

If you want to discuss abortion start a thread about it instead of trying to drag this thread off-topic.

[b]Planned Parenthood and abortion are inextricably linked.
Be quiet.
Go away.
Nowhere in Scorpion's post is abortion mentioned. The discussion has centered on basic preventive health services being denied to women who need it as a result of wingnuts denying funding. Start a new thread about it if you wish to discuss it but please stop disrupting this one.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/3/2011, 10:17 pm

Yeah. Well for the record, Planned Parenthood won their request for an injunction in late June and resumed serving Medicaid patients.

Indiana Planned Parenthood seeing Medicaid patients

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U.S. District Judge Tanya Walton Pratt’s Friday ruling blocked parts of a tough new abortion law and granted Planned Parenthood of Indiana’s request for an injunction on the state’s move to defund the organization. The decision sides with federal officials who said states cannot restrict Medicaid recipients’ freedom to choose their health care provider or disqualify Medicaid providers merely because they also offer abortions.

I probably should have posted an update.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/3/2011, 10:25 pm

Artie60438 wrote:

Nowhere in Scorpion's post is abortion mentioned.
Planned Parenthood is synonymous with abortion.

Artie60438 wrote:
The discussion has centered on basic preventive health services being denied to women who need it as a result of wingnuts denying funding.
If "basic preventive health services" were all that Planned Parenthood offered, I don't believe anyone would object to federal funding of the organization.

Artie60438 wrote:
Start a new thread about it if you wish to discuss it but please stop disrupting this one.
No, thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/4/2011, 1:21 am

Banning abortions doesn't actually stop abortions. You know this, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/4/2011, 2:43 am

Heretic wrote:
Banning abortions doesn't actually stop abortions. You know this, right?
Yes, I know that.
But I also know that:
Criminalizing murder doesn't stop murder.
Criminalizing armed robbery doesn't stop armed robbery.
Criminalizing drunk driving doesn't stop drunk driving.
We have to start somewhere, though, don't we?

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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/4/2011, 8:33 am

Heretic wrote:
Banning abortions doesn't actually stop abortions. You know this, right?
He still hasn't even grasped the simple fact that federal funds don't go towards them.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/4/2011, 12:45 pm

Jack, you seem to equate abortion with murder. I don't believe that way - until the fetus can live outside its mother's body, it's not life, just potential life.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/5/2011, 4:53 am

I think this is what is more in store, for the future, since other states have previously joined this faulty new system, that in the long run will now send thousands of people to the ER. Why? No doctor will join this system, leaving people that normally would go to Walgreen's "clinic", or other clinics for a majority of "minor" cuts, bruises, simple preventive care, to avoid making an appt. but no one accepts the new version of Medicaid, because IL was too incompetent to plan ahead before implementing such a "cost-saving" plan.

Very few doctors have signed on to this Aetna Family Plan, and refuse to do so, and what was not broken, is now broken, sending thousands to hospital emergency rooms, which is defeating the purpose of what they thought would be a cost-cutting plan. So, medicaid people who had a primary doctor under managed care, had to chose a doctor over 50 miles away, or they chose it for you, and you will be lucky to wait less than three months or six months before you get in. The clinics that joined of course, have a stake in this, and are mostly religious clinics and no real doctors, but nurse practitioners who pretend to know more than they do, and usually ship you to UofC downtown, which is just about the only hospital that accepts this new version.

Hat's off to the dumbest thing ever called, "Reform". I suggest those politicians be forced to accept someone else appointing a doctor fifty miles away, and make sure you call first to get approval before you hit the doctor or ER if you are having a heart attack. Otherwise, the bill won't get paid. Read on:


http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/ct-met-medicaid-managed-care-20110826,0,6553592.story
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/5/2011, 5:03 am

On planned parenthood: Rubbers are free. Take responsibility for yourself. If it's pap smears, etc., what did people do back in the '70s?
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/5/2011, 8:29 am

Died of undiagnosed cervical cancer?
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/5/2011, 3:24 pm

UrRight wrote:
.... what did people do back in the '70s?
Went to discos and boogie-oogie-oogied all night long.
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/5/2011, 3:30 pm

KarenT wrote:
Jack, you seem to equate abortion with murder. I don't believe that way - until the fetus can live outside its mother's body, it's not life, just potential life.
Here's some "potential life" that could quite probably have survived outside the mother's body.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/dc/c006sm.jpg
Feel better?
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PostSubject: Re: Planned Parenthood stops seeing Medicaid patients    9/5/2011, 4:14 pm

So what was the reason for that abortion? Was it to save the life of the mother? Does that even matter to you?

Without any context, posting photos of "abortions" is meaningless. For all we know, this could be a stillbirth.

Besides, you're ignoring the fact that the vast majority of abortions take place before the fetus is viable. You've made it clear in prior discussions that you even consider a zygote to be a "baby." Of course you're entitled to your religious beliefs, but calling a zygote a "baby" is just ridiculous, in my view.

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