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PostSubject: Planet Of The Humans   Planet Of The Humans Empty4/22/2020, 11:09 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Planet Of The Humans   Planet Of The Humans Empty4/23/2020, 11:37 am

Haven't watched it yet but I may have to. The responses are pretty negative.  They're critical of his representation of renewables, but almost all of them ignore our doomed reliance on growth.

Growth is religion, and untouchable. And I wrote that before hitting the 50 minute mark with the guy essentially explaining it.

Here's one review from the Guardian.  Michael Mann's been active on Twitter attacking it; he's linked to several others. Nearly all are critical of the representation of renewables, but all are ignoring what seems to be the movie's main point: "normal" is killing us, and switching to renewables to continue as normal is no solution at all. The disconnect is as fascinating as it is terrifying.  I'll  post more reviews as I come across them and see any of them even acknowledge that point, let alone offer a rebuttal.

Bartlett's presentation will never not be relevant (starting at 12:52):


Even in the middle of a fucking pandemic, so few of us still have any understanding of the exponential function.


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PostSubject: Re: Planet Of The Humans   Planet Of The Humans Empty4/23/2020, 11:57 am

Bill McKibben had this response to his part in the film:

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Like the film-maker, I previously personally supported burning bio-mass as an alternative to fossil fuels—in my case, when the rural college where I teach replaced its oil furnaces with a wood-chip burner more than a decade ago, I saluted it. But as more scientists studied the consequences of large-scale biomass burning, the math began to show that it would put large amounts of carbon into the atmosphere at precisely the wrong moment: if we break the back of the climate system now, it won’t matter if forests suck it up fifty years hence. And as soon as that became clear I began writing and campaigning on those issues. Here’s a piece of mine from 2016 that couldn’t be much clearer, and another from 2019 in the New Yorker about the fights in the Southeast, and another from 2020 as campaigners fought to affect policy in the Northeast. The other side has definitely noticed—here’s an article from the biomass industry attacking me, 350.org, and others. I’m reasonably sure that most of the valiant people here and in the UK that have been fighting this fight will vouch that I’ve been a help, not a hindrance.

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I am used to ceaseless harassment and attack from the fossil fuel industry, and I’ve done my best to ignore a lifetime of death threats from right-wing extremists. It does hurt more to be attacked by others who think of themselves as environmentalists. I have spent much of the last ten years doing my best to enlarge the environmental movement in every way I can think of, and to support others in their work; I think that a broad big movement is our best hope. And I have found great joy and satisfaction in that work. I don’t understand the reasoning behind these particular attacks; when I first heard rumors of them last summer I wrote the producer and director to set the record straight, and never heard back from them. That seems like bad journalism, and bad faith.

This article has a bunch of links and quotes about the bad science in it, but I do agree with this:

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Like Robert Bryce’s work (not that in anyway are Jeff Gibbs’ and Moore’s knowledge of energy issues as encyclopedic as libertarian, climate-dismissing Bryce’s), this film has the same fundamental flaws:

* it is too error-filled for non-educated/knowledgeable people to watch due to misdirection & embedded deceit that might not be evident as the viewer has to be knowledgeable to see the truthiness and deceit.

* For those already knowledgeable, the core thematics/points aren’t news and it just takes so much effort to wade through the falsehoods and truthiness for having thoughts/perspective that are already out there in discussion.  

Additionally, Gibbs’ and Moore’s truthiness and falsehood-filled product isn’t helpful because they created something that is being leveraged by climate deniers/delayers to attack (not complete, need to improve, are improving) solution paths. (For examples, see Emily Atkin’s thought-provoking The wheel of first-time climate dudes.)

If they wanted to make a movie about the dangers of growth, that would have been better. Attacking green energy with decade old statistics isn't doing anyone any favors, especially if it leads to further delays on much needed action on climate change.
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PostSubject: Re: Planet Of The Humans   Planet Of The Humans Empty4/23/2020, 10:38 pm

Heretic wrote:


Growth is religion, and untouchable. And I wrote that before hitting the 50 minute mark with the guy essentially explaining it.

Here's one review from the Guardian.  Michael Mann's been active on Twitter attacking it; he's linked to several others. Nearly all are critical of the representation of renewables, but all are ignoring what seems to be the movie's main point: "normal" is killing us, and switching to renewables to continue as normal is no solution at all. The disconnect is as fascinating as it is terrifying.  I'll  post more reviews as I come across them and see any of them even acknowledge that point, let alone offer a rebuttal.

Bartlett's presentation will never not be relevant (starting at 12:52):


Even in the middle of a fucking pandemic, so few of us still have any understanding of the exponential function.

Thanks for the links. Bartlett's video is really all that should be needed for mankind to act. Obviously, that is not the case. You're correct about the movie's main point... it presents it an easily understandable way that I hope wakes up even more people.

I certainly understand why some of the individuals in the environmental community are upset and I'm not sure why the film makers decided to single out people like McKibben for criticism.

But the main point of the film is what makes it so powerful... we need an ambitious plan that goes beyond CO2 emissions... our societies need to fundamentally change the way we live, or our civilization is not going to survive. That's a powerful truth that needs to be an integral part of the zeitgeist going forward...
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PostSubject: Re: Planet Of The Humans   Planet Of The Humans Empty9/9/2020, 9:45 am

https://slate.com/technology/2020/09/suv-dominance-climate-change.html

C U, SUV
The hulking car has become the world’s most dominant form of transportation—and one of its biggest climate threats.

By Oliver Milman
Sept 08, 20205:59 PM

They are the hulking cars that have conquered the world. Spreading from the heartlands of the U.S. to a new generation of eager buyers in China to dominate even the twisting, narrow streets of Europe, the sports utility vehicle, or SUV, has bludgeoned its way to automobile supremacy with a heady mix of convenience and marketing muscle.
The rise of the SUV as the world’s preeminent car has been so rapid that the consequences of this new status—the altered patterns of urban life, air quality, pedestrian safety, where to park the things—are still coming into focus.
But it’s increasingly clear that SUVs’ most profound impact is playing out within the climate crisis, where their surging popularity is producing a vast new source of planet-cooking emissions.


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