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PostSubject: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/17/2017, 2:52 pm

Are "many sides" equally at fault?  You tell me...

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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/17/2017, 6:47 pm

Yes, many sides are equally at fault.
Except it is not so obvious based upon ONE carefully edited video.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/17/2017, 9:07 pm

happy jack wrote:
Yes, many sides are equally at fault.
Except it is not so obvious based upon ONE carefully edited video.

Finally, something that we can discuss.  Before I begin, have you watched the entire
video yet?  I imagine that there are some things that we agree upon concerning this video.  
It would be a blast to analyze it with you a bit. So please watch it, if you haven't already.  

Just let me know when you're done, and then we can begin.  

Thanks!

-Scorp-
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/17/2017, 9:50 pm

Is it an actual discussion?  I can predict his responses two years out.  It's all just rehearsed, regurgitated ambiguity.  There's no free thought there; nothing to learn.  Is anyone surprised he towed Trump's "whatevs" line?  Instructions to watch the video will amount to absolutely nothing.  He'll still deny it, because of some Soros funded media conspiracy. Whatever his rebuttal, it won't have any factual basis.  He certainly won't even attempt to offer any.  If he does, and that's a big if, it'll be crazy off the rails nonsense just to enrage rational thought.

I'll refute him with a litany of empirical sources. He'll ignore it. I'll call him out on it. He'll ignore it further, with added snark. Round and round we go.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/17/2017, 10:25 pm

Let's give jack a chance.  The film itself is an incredible piece of journalism.  I really
want to talk about it.

Powerful Stuff!  

I just want to see if we can actually have a intelligent discussion about something without insults.  

You gotta admit, there's a lot of stuff worth talking about in this video.  I don't know if it's even necessary to provide "empirical sources"  to discuss what's going
on in this video.

I think that jack might surprise you,  Heretic.  Seriously, give the guy a chance.  

BTW Heretic, check your damn PMs - I sent you a message in frickin' May.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/17/2017, 10:48 pm

Scorpion wrote:
I think that jack might surprise you,  Heretic.  Seriously, give the guy a chance.



Scorpion wrote:
BTW Heretic, check your damn PMs - I sent you a message in frickin' May.

Yep.  I'm terrible. Completely missed it.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/17/2017, 10:57 pm

Heretic wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
I think that jack might surprise you,  Heretic.  Seriously, give the guy a chance.


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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/18/2017, 9:35 am

I watched the entire video. I'm not sure which aspects of it you'd like to discuss, but the first thing that jumps out at me is that even complete assholes have the right to free speech (see post, 8/17/17, 9:50 pm).
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/18/2017, 10:42 pm

happy jack wrote:
I watched the entire video. I'm not sure which aspects of it you'd like to discuss, but the first thing that jumps out at me is that even complete assholes have the right to free speech (see post, 8/17/17, 9:50 pm).

OK. Cool!  

(I don't want to waste any time debating whether these assholes have the right to protest, because that's a given.)

May as well start at the beginning... the "torch procession."   Here are hundreds of Neo- Nazis
and white supremacists marching into town  while chanting "You will not replace us,"  "Jews will not replace us," and "Blood and Soil."  And finally, "whose streets?," "our streets!"  before they arrive at the monument...

Let's just stop right here for a moment.  This looks and sounds like a fucking Klan march to me.  I assume that you agree that these bigoted, Nazi chants are, to put it mildly,
racist and threatening... right?  

Personally, I've seen nothing at this point that indicates that any "creative editing" has changed the facts on the ground.  These don't look like "fine people" to me.  They're fucking Nazis!

It's quite a hate rally, don't you think? I assume that you see the same
thing that I'm seeing.  Are you with me so far?  

Let me know.  I just want to make sure that we're on the same page.

Then I'd like to talk about the arrival of the mob at the monument.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/19/2017, 5:50 pm

As reprehensible as the Neo-Nazis and their kind are, please let us be honest enough to acknowledge that they were not the sole cause of the violence.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/19/2017, 6:32 pm

Here's the tough guy neo nazi that was the star of the video.

The rise and humiliating fall of Chris Cantwell, Charlottesville’s starring ‘fascist’
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/20/2017, 12:14 pm

happy jack wrote:
As reprehensible as the Neo-Nazis and their kind are, please let us be honest enough to acknowledge that they were not the sole cause of the violence.

We were discussing the "carefully edited" video... Do you agree with what I've posted so far?

We still have a lot of ground to cover...
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/20/2017, 2:02 pm

Yeah, I have no choice but to agree with what you've posted so far, if that one video is my only point of reference.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/21/2017, 10:29 pm

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Yeah, I have no choice but to agree with what you've posted so far, if that one video is my only point of reference.

OK. Next the mob descends the steps.  They pass some students with an anti-KKK banner and then come upon a small group of what is also probably students at the base of Jefferson's statue that are chanting "Black Lives Matter!"  There can't be more than 20 counter protestors at the statue, so the hordes surround them, hollering "White Lives Matter!" while shining blinding police flashlights at the poor souls surrounded by these racist mother fuckers.

Then violence breaks out.  It really a stretch to put any blame at all on the students caught in the middle of an angry mob.  "Fine people" on both sides?  No, I don't think so.

Finally, the segment closes with the black kid admonishing the cops....  "Too late bro! Y'all couldn't be here to help the people who were out here tonight... just be ready for tomorrow, at least..."

Am I leaving anything out?  Still seeing the same shit that I am? Can you honestly defend anything that the Nazi thugs have done up to this point?
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/22/2017, 2:50 pm

Scorpion wrote:

"Can you honestly defend anything the Nazi thugs have done up to this point?"

I have not defended anything the Nazi thugs have done up to this point.
Are you suggesting that I have?
If so, please demonstrate where, when, and how.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/22/2017, 3:23 pm

happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:

"Can you honestly defend anything the Nazi thugs have done up to this point?"

I have not defended anything the Nazi thugs have done up to this point.
Are you suggesting that I have?
If so, please demonstrate where, when, and how.

No, not at all. I was just asking to make sure that we're both in agreement up to this point.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/22/2017, 3:47 pm

As I stated earlier: since the video you posted is my sole point of reference, then yes, we are in agreement up to this point.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/22/2017, 6:43 pm

It's kind of funny how the Confederate monuments suddenly became Leftyworld's most immediate and pressing issue.
Wassamatta?
Y'all get bored with Russia?
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/22/2017, 11:07 pm

happy jack wrote:
As I stated earlier: since the video you posted is my sole point of reference, then yes, we are in agreement up to this point.

What other "point of reference" is there?  Have you seen anything at all that refutes any part of the narrative so far?  I certainly haven't.  If you have anything that changes anything about what we've seen so far, then please post it.

I do have some comments at this point, but if you have anything at all that materially changes what we've gone over so far, then I'm genuinely interested.

After all, you've asked me to acknowledge that "the neo-Nazis were not the sole cause of the violence."

But what we've seen so far indicates that the Nazis were the sole cause.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/23/2017, 3:36 pm

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happy jack wrote:
As I stated earlier: since the video you posted is my sole point of reference, then yes, we are in agreement up to this point.

What other "point of reference" is there?  Have you seen anything at all that refutes any part of the narrative so far?  I certainly haven't.  If you have anything that changes anything about what we've seen so far, then please post it.

I do have some comments at this point, but if you have anything at all that materially changes what we've gone over so far, then I'm genuinely interested.

After all, you've asked me to acknowledge that "the neo-Nazis were not the sole cause of the violence."

But what we've seen so far indicates that the Nazis were the sole cause.

My device, for some reason, is not allowing me to copy and paste at this time, but if you Google 'youtube antifa inciting violence at charlottesville', the video link I was trying to post should be the first choice that pops up. It's about a minute long.
Or, Google "Snopes: Are Antifa and the alt-right equally violent?'. It's not a video, but rather an article wherein Snopes tries like hell (but fails) to absolve Antifa of their capacity for violence.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/23/2017, 9:26 pm

happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
happy jack wrote:
As I stated earlier: since the video you posted is my sole point of reference, then yes, we are in agreement up to this point.

What other "point of reference" is there?  Have you seen anything at all that refutes any part of the narrative so far?  I certainly haven't.  If you have anything that changes anything about what we've seen so far, then please post it.

I do have some comments at this point, but if you have anything at all that materially changes what we've gone over so far, then I'm genuinely interested.

After all, you've asked me to acknowledge that "the neo-Nazis were not the sole cause of the violence."

But what we've seen so far indicates that the Nazis were the sole cause.

My device, for some reason, is not allowing me to copy and paste at this time, but if you Google 'youtube antifa inciting violence at charlottesville', the video link I was trying to post should be the first choice that pops up. It's about a minute long.
Or, Google "Snopes: Are Antifa and the alt-right equally violent?'. It's not a video, but rather an article wherein Snopes tries like hell (but fails) to absolve Antifa of their capacity for violence.

We're still talking about Friday night, Jack.  

As I asked above,

"Have you seen anything at all that refutes any part of the narrative so far?  I certainly haven't.  If you have anything that changes anything about what we've seen so far, then please post it."

My point is that the video that we've been watching is an accurate representation of the events of Friday night.  Have you found anything that indicates that it isn't?

If not, then can we agree that the neo-Nazis were the sole cause of the violence on Friday evening?
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/24/2017, 4:08 pm

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happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
happy jack wrote:
As I stated earlier: since the video you posted is my sole point of reference, then yes, we are in agreement up to this point.

What other "point of reference" is there?  Have you seen anything at all that refutes any part of the narrative so far?  I certainly haven't.  If you have anything that changes anything about what we've seen so far, then please post it.

I do have some comments at this point, but if you have anything at all that materially changes what we've gone over so far, then I'm genuinely interested.

After all, you've asked me to acknowledge that "the neo-Nazis were not the sole cause of the violence."

But what we've seen so far indicates that the Nazis were the sole cause.

My device, for some reason, is not allowing me to copy and paste at this time, but if you Google 'youtube antifa inciting violence at charlottesville', the video link I was trying to post should be the first choice that pops up. It's about a minute long.
Or, Google "Snopes: Are Antifa and the alt-right equally violent?'. It's not a video, but rather an article wherein Snopes tries like hell (but fails) to absolve Antifa of their capacity for violence.

We're still talking about Friday night, Jack.  

As I asked above,

"Have you seen anything at all that refutes any part of the narrative so far?  I certainly haven't.  If you have anything that changes anything about what we've seen so far, then please post it."

My point is that the video that we've been watching is an accurate representation of the events of Friday night.  Have you found anything that indicates that it isn't?

If not, then can we agree that the neo-Nazis were the sole cause of the violence on Friday evening?



You certainly seem to be unusually obsessed with which day of the week the Nazi violence took place.
Friday evening was comprised of several hours, but your video showed only 22 minutes of it. In that 22 minutes you chose to post, Nazi violence is apparent. As for the remainder of Friday evening, neither you nor I can say with any certainty what went on.
So, if Nazis are violent on Fridays, does Antifa have dibs on the other days of the week wherein they can engage in their own particular brand of violence?
Is the violence they commit Okey-Dokey because it doesn't occur on a Friday?
Are some of the other days of the week earmarked for violence by, say, Black Lives Matter members?
What point, exactly, are you trying to make?


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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/24/2017, 4:44 pm

Just a heads up for the Lefties: There are about 50 buildings or structures in West Virginia, financed with U.S. taxpayer dollars, bearing the name of Robert Byrd, Democrat senator and Grand Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan. Any time you want to start vandalizing and tearing them down, let me know - I'd love to watch the video.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/25/2017, 2:00 pm

It appears that ESPN has such immense confidence in the intelligence of the Left that it has chosen to scrub the name of the network's announcer, one Robert Lee, from their collective memory, lest they become confused and offended by the prospect of a Confederate Civil War general calling the play by play of a college football game.
I hope this makes liberals wake up and realize how far they have sunk in their rampant idiocy.
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PostSubject: Re: Everyone Needs To Watch This   8/25/2017, 4:45 pm

happy jack wrote:

What point, exactly, are you trying to make?

As I said from the beginning, I want to discuss the events depicted on the video
that I posted.  
I figured the best way to do that is to work through it from start to finish.

The video is divided into segments, and IMHO, it makes it easier to analyze if we
take it one segment at a time.

There will be plenty of time to bring in additional material as we go forward.  It appears that we pretty much agree on what happened on Friday.  

If that's the way you see it as well, than we can go on to the next segment.  

Are you ready to continue?
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