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PostSubject: The "Logic" of Liberals   5/26/2016, 1:03 pm

Let me see if I have this straight.
!75 Democrats voted against this bill.
130 Republicans voted against this bill.
Hence, according to the headline, Republicans are responsible for killing the bill.
Only in the La-La-Land of Liberals does that make any sort of sense.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/house-republicans-lgbt-discrimination_us_574673e5e4b03ede4413e039

Republicans Kill Spending Bill Over Its LGBT Protections

Some couldn’t accept a provision that prevents government contractors from firing people for being gay.
05/26/2016 01:12 pm ET | Updated 21 minutes ago


WASHINGTON — House Republicans unexpectedly sunk their own $37.4 billion water and energy spending bill on Thursday because it included a provision ensuring that people who work for government contractors can’t be fired for being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.
The bill failed 112 to 305, with 130 Republicans and 175 Democrats opposing it.
Nearly every Democrat voted against it, but that was expected. They’d raised problems with riders in the bill that would undermine the Clean Water Act and allow people to carry firearms on Corps of Engineers lands. They also opposed language added late Wednesday by Republicans that would prevent the federal government from revoking funds to North Carolina over its controversial law affecting transgender people going to the bathroom.
The real surprise was seeing conservatives line up against the bill over an amendment added late Wednesday by Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.). His provision would preserve a 2014 executive order by President Barack Obama that bars federal contractors from discriminating against people based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. The House accepted his amendment 223 to 195, with moderate Republicans joining with Democrats to pass it.
Lawmakers fought over a similar LGBT amendment last week when Maloney unsuccessfully tried to attach it to a military spending bill. He had the votes to pass it at one point, but GOP leaders held the vote open after the clock ran out and strong-armed just enough Republicans to switch their votes and bring it down. That sent the chamber into chaos, with Democrats shouting, “Shame! shame! shame!” at GOP lawmakers who changed their votes.
So it was already a sensitive issue when Maloney’s amendment came back up Wednesday night. Politico reported that as Republicans huddled Thursday morning before the vote, Rep. Rick Allen (R-Ga.) read aloud a passage from the Bible and asked people if they were prepared to violate their religious principles by supporting the bill. That didn’t sit well with some in the room.
“Many members were visibly disturbed by the comments,” a GOP source in the room told The Huffington Post. “At least one walked out.”
Beyond that, the conservative Heritage Foundation announced Thursday morning that it opposed the bill over Maloney’s amendment and vowed to include it as a key vote on its legislative scorecard. That drove scores of conservative lawmakers to oppose the legislation.
“House Republicans’ thirst to discriminate against the LGBT community is so strong that they are willing to vote down their own appropriations bill in order to prevent progress over bigotry,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in a statement.
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), meanwhile, blamed Democrats for killing the bill.
“What we learned today is that Democrats were not looking to advance an issue but to sabotage the appropriations process,” he told reporters. “The mere fact that they voted to pass the [Maloney] amendment and then voted against the bill containing their amendment proves this point.”
The House is about to head into a weeklong recess, which means they’ll revisit the bill when they come back in mid-June. Ryan said to expect “a family discussion” when they return, and noted that his vow to maintain an open amendment process on bills means there will be more unpredictability.
“Some bills might fail because we’re not going to tightly control the process and pre-determine the outcome of everything around here,” Ryan said. “Well, that happened today.”
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PostSubject: Re: The "Logic" of Liberals   5/26/2016, 4:30 pm

happy jack wrote:
Let me see if I have this straight.
!75 Democrats voted against this bill.
130 Republicans voted against this bill.
Hence, according to the headline, Republicans are responsible for killing the bill.
Only in the La-La-Land of Liberals does that make any sort of sense.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/house-republicans-lgbt-discrimination_us_574673e5e4b03ede4413e039

Republicans Kill Spending Bill Over Its LGBT Protections

Some couldn’t accept a provision that prevents government contractors from firing people for being gay.
05/26/2016 01:12 pm ET | Updated 21 minutes ago


WASHINGTON — House Republicans unexpectedly sunk their own $37.4 billion water and energy spending bill on Thursday because it included a provision ensuring that people who work for government contractors can’t be fired for being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.
The bill failed 112 to 305, with 130 Republicans and 175 Democrats opposing it.
Nearly every Democrat voted against it, but that was expected. They’d raised problems with riders in the bill that would undermine the Clean Water Act and allow people to carry firearms on Corps of Engineers lands. They also opposed language added late Wednesday by Republicans that would prevent the federal government from revoking funds to North Carolina over its controversial law affecting transgender people going to the bathroom.
The real surprise was seeing conservatives line up against the bill over an amendment added late Wednesday by Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.). His provision would preserve a 2014 executive order by President Barack Obama that bars federal contractors from discriminating against people based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. The House accepted his amendment 223 to 195, with moderate Republicans joining with Democrats to pass it.
Lawmakers fought over a similar LGBT amendment last week when Maloney unsuccessfully tried to attach it to a military spending bill. He had the votes to pass it at one point, but GOP leaders held the vote open after the clock ran out and strong-armed just enough Republicans to switch their votes and bring it down. That sent the chamber into chaos, with Democrats shouting, “Shame! shame! shame!” at GOP lawmakers who changed their votes.
So it was already a sensitive issue when Maloney’s amendment came back up Wednesday night. Politico reported that as Republicans huddled Thursday morning before the vote, Rep. Rick Allen (R-Ga.) read aloud a passage from the Bible and asked people if they were prepared to violate their religious principles by supporting the bill. That didn’t sit well with some in the room.
“Many members were visibly disturbed by the comments,” a GOP source in the room told The Huffington Post. “At least one walked out.”
Beyond that, the conservative Heritage Foundation announced Thursday morning that it opposed the bill over Maloney’s amendment and vowed to include it as a key vote on its legislative scorecard. That drove scores of conservative lawmakers to oppose the legislation.
“House Republicans’ thirst to discriminate against the LGBT community is so strong that they are willing to vote down their own appropriations bill in order to prevent progress over bigotry,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in a statement.
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), meanwhile, blamed Democrats for killing the bill.
“What we learned today is that Democrats were not looking to advance an issue but to sabotage the appropriations process,” he told reporters. “The mere fact that they voted to pass the [Maloney] amendment and then voted against the bill containing their amendment proves this point.”
The House is about to head into a weeklong recess, which means they’ll revisit the bill when they come back in mid-June. Ryan said to expect “a family discussion” when they return, and noted that his vow to maintain an open amendment process on bills means there will be more unpredictability.
“Some bills might fail because we’re not going to tightly control the process and pre-determine the outcome of everything around here,” Ryan said. “Well, that happened today.”
How stupid are you? Do you even understand the makeup of the House? Republicans can pass anything they want if they vote along their own party line.

It was their own damn bill! They didn't pass it because it insured that LGBT people couldn't be fired for just being Gay. affraid
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PostSubject: Re: The "Logic" of Liberals   5/27/2016, 2:50 pm

happy jack wrote:
[b]Let me see if I have this straight.
!75 Democrats voted against this bill.
130 Republicans voted against this bill.
Hence, according to the headline, Republicans are responsible for killing the bill.
Only in the La-La-Land of Liberals does that make any sort of sense.
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Definitive proof that you don't know what the hell you're talking about...
Blame Trump For The GOP’s LGBT Vote Switch
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Last week, seven House Republicans switched their votes after the allotted voting time to kill an amendment that would have prevented businesses contracted by the Federal government from discriminating against LGBT employees, effectively bringing furor to the House floor

The votes were changed in secret: What was supposed to be a two minute process took more like eight minutes, after House Speaker Paul Ryan failed to gavel voting to a close when he was supposed to. By then, GOP leaders managed to coerce just enough of their caucus to snuff a provision bound for adoption. The final tally was 212–213. Democrats chanted “SHAME!” as Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) took to the floor to condemn the action.

For a week Democrats have lambasted the Republican move, alleging trickery, treachery, bigotry, and cowardice and assuring constituents that the fight for LGBT rights will continue.

Ryan’s clever delay tactic was a legal action, but it was low, even for the House of Representatives — a classic case of “Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.”

It was no surprise to learn, afterwards, that the bombastic presence of Donald Trump on the political scene may have sparked a latent resurgence of conservative confidence; that Donald’s constant boundary-pushing in the name of “winning” — which, surely, ought to be the ultimate goal of our politics, right? — is fueling what would otherwise be seen as an awfully old-fashioned, hardline swing to the right.

Last Thursday, after the vote, Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY) told Roll Call the amendment “wouldn’t have failed without the narrative of hatred Trump has created.”

“I’m sure Donald Trump was very proud of House Republicans today,” Israel said, adding that Trump has been “vilifying from day one.”

“When you have a Republican Party that is built on the premise of vilification, hatred and marginalization, nobody should be surprised by what happened on the floor.”

“You know, you reap what you sow.”

Although we don’t know who switched their votes — because Speaker Ryan didn’t require them to record the changes — Democratic leadership is fairly certain the seven culprits are Reps. Darrell Issa, Jeff Denham, David Valadao, and Mimi Walters of California, Oregon Rep. Greg Walden, Iowa Rep. David Young and Rep. Bruce Poliquin of Maine — none of whom have admitted guilt, so to speak, though, as Roll Call reported, Valadao, Young, and Poliquin are facing competitive re-elections.

Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) — who not only voted for the amendment, but approached last Thursday’s vote thinking his Party would following the course of the country, which, as he put it, “clearly is evolving, socially, on issues like this” — said it was obvious some Republicans switched to shield members who wanted to avoid voting for the LGBT amendment, and speculated such protection was intended to help those worrying about future Republican challengers.

Dent said “Members are more worried about their primaries than general elections” — meaning some will be inclined to up the conservative ante, which could require bending rules to get things done, as was evidenced last Thursday.

Throughout his campaign, Trump has stretched the rules on almost every informal institution in modern political life: decorum, process, basic manners and human decency, and, not least, pandering. Yes, he can and will build an impossibly expensive and useless wall if it makes fearful nativists happy. No, he won’t disavow the Ku Klux Klan — but he will accept the application of the country’s most prominent white nationalist to be a national delegate for his campaign — if he can convince some corner of the conservative Internet that he’s right for them.

Trump has created a new standard for politicking, one without morals. Whether Trump will be able to deliver for his base remains to be seen — the Constitution might have a thing or two to say about some of his ideas — and perhaps he won’t get the chance. But House Republicans were able to switch their votes last week, privately, because Paul Ryan kept the vote-tallying computers running longer than customary.
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