Bowe Bergdahl

edge540 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Iraq Isis Crisis: Medieval Sharia Law Imposed on Millions in Nineveh Province

Thank God George, Dick, Condi, Paul and Donald got rid of Saddam allowing all this shit to happen.
Ya'll should send them all thank you notes.

Turns out the guy who was right all along was VP Joe Biden. From May of 2006.. Biden proposes partitioning Iraq into 3 regions

Hilarious watching jackass John McCain who has been dead wrong on Iraq from the start now calling for air strikes,in effect providing cover for Iranian troops that are already on the ground in Iraq. We'd come full circle and end up being part of the "axis of evil".

Now if y'all will excuse me I have to run out to Walgreens to stock up on Pepto-Bismal in order to watch the Sunday talk shows,where they'll inevitably trot out as experts,the same delusional neo-cons like the perpetually wrong Bill Krystol that got us into this mess.

There's no other way to put this: Sen. McCain, shut up

Quote :

With conditions deteriorating in Iraq—because of the actions of Iraqi President Maliki and the Iraqi government and the Iraqi military and the Iraqi insurgents and the Iraqi religious factions—Republican Sen. John "Wannabe President" McCain, thwarted in his dream to have U.S. troops in Iraq for 100 years, is making the media rounds to blame it all on President Obama.

   

Grampy McCain wrote:

“The president wanted out and now we are paying a heavy price,” the Arizona Republican said on MSNBC.

   "We had it won," McCain said. The U.S. "had the conflict won thanks to the surge … We had a stable government."

The only people stupid enough to think we ever had this war "won" were the same ones who predicted we'd "absolutely" be greeted as liberators, who thought the war would be paid for by Iraqi oil, who thought the Sunnis and Shia would "get along," who declared the war would "be brief," and that of course Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Oh, wait, what was that Sen. McCain?

Gramps McCain greatest Iraq predictions...

edge540 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Who actually pulled out the troops before ascertaining that Iraq was secure, without attempting a renewal of the status of forces agreement?

Wrong again dipshit.

Quote :

Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence

But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it. While he was inclined to see a small number of American soldiers stay behind to continue mentoring Iraqi forces, the likes of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, on whose support Maliki’s ruling coalition depends, were having none of it. Even the Obama Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based.
http://world.time.com/2011/10/21/iraq-not-obama-called-time-on-the-u-s-troop-presence/

Your boy George broke it and he owns it. End of story.

Yep,and here's another inconvenient fact...
Fact Sheet: The Strategic Framework Agreement and the Security Agreement with Iraq

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For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
December 4, 2008
The Security Agreement also sets a date of December 31, 2011, for all U.S. forces to withdraw from Iraq.  This date reflects the increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces as demonstrated in operations this year throughout Iraq, as well as an improved regional atmosphere towards Iraq, an expanding Iraqi economy, and an increasingly confident Iraqi government.

Artie60438 wrote:

Turns out the guy who was right all along was VP Joe Biden. From May of 2006.. Biden proposes partitioning Iraq into 3 regions

Yeah.  I remembered Biden's plan as soon as Iraq began to explode.  He was actually calling for a federal system, where the 3 states would handle their own affairs, but there would still be a central government that would handle issues pertaining to the whole country. IIRC, the main problem with the approach was that the "Sunni region" would be short on oil, but that could have been easily resolved by some kind of revenue sharing plan.

If you're interested, here's a link to the original Op-Ed...

Unity Through Autonomy in Iraq
By Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Leslie H. Gelb
Published: May 1, 2006

Biden may be a gaffe machine, but he's far more intelligent than people realize.

Scorpion wrote:

Yeah.  I remembered Biden's plan as soon as Iraq began to explode.  He was actually calling for a federal system, where the 3 states would handle their own affairs, but there would still be a central government that would handle issues pertaining to the whole country. IIRC, the main problem with the approach was that the "Sunni region" would be short on oil, but that could have been easily resolved by some kind of revenue sharing plan.

If you're interested, here's a link to the original Op-Ed...

Unity Through Autonomy in Iraq
By Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Leslie H. Gelb
Published: May 1, 2006

Biden may be a gaffe machine, but he's far more intelligent than people realize.

Thanks for the link,Scorpion. Foreign policy has always been Biden's strong point. As a senator he was the first one leading the fight for armored vehicles instead of Humvees to counteract roadside bombs. He regularly ripped Bush & Co for sending soldiers into war without properly equipping them.
December 2004: What Our Troops Want For Xmas: Armored Humvees... And An Exit Plan

IMO the only thing that makes sense is a three state solution. Unfortunately,with Malaki in power that may be difficult.