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PostSubject: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia   12/16/2013, 4:24 pm

Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup

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After the 9/11 attacks, the public was told al Qaeda acted alone, with no state sponsors.

But the White House never let it see an entire section of Congress’ investigative report on 9/11 dealing with “specific sources of foreign support” for the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals.

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A pair of lawmakers who recently read the redacted portion say they are “absolutely shocked” at the level of foreign state involvement in the attacks.

The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically. The intelligence files cited in the report directly implicate the Saudi embassy in Washington and consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks, making 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war.

The findings, if confirmed, would back up open-source reporting showing the hijackers had, at a minimum, ties to several Saudi officials and agents while they were preparing for their attacks inside the United States.

I remember a quote from Rumsfeld shortly after the attacks (I couldn't find the quote or video, dammit), that they had proof of a foreign governments involvement in 9/11 but they weren't ready to name names.  We know now for certain that it wasn't Iraq, but there's no reason they wouldn't have been shouting it from the rooftops if it were.  But if it were Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, it would have far bigger implications on national policy and require far more subtlety.  

So... Did the previous administration essentially cover up an act of war?  Suspect I really can't see this any other way.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia   9/11/2017, 12:14 pm

Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11

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Fresh evidence submitted in a major 9/11 lawsuit moving forward against the Saudi Arabian government reveals its embassy in Washington may have funded a “dry run” for the hijackings carried out by two Saudi employees, further reinforcing the claim that employees and agents of the kingdom directed and aided the 9/11 hijackers and plotters.

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Citing FBI documents, the complaint alleges that the Saudi students — Mohammed al-Qudhaeein and Hamdan al-Shalawi — were in fact members of “the Kingdom’s network of agents in the US,” and participated in the terrorist conspiracy.

They had trained at al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan at the same time some of the hijackers were there. And while living in Arizona, they had regular contacts with a Saudi hijacker pilot and a senior al Qaeda leader from Saudi now incarcerated at Gitmo. At least one tried to re-enter the US a month before the attacks as a possible muscle hijacker but was denied admission because he appeared on a terrorist watch list.

Qudhaeein and Shalawi both worked for and received money from the Saudi government, with Qudhaeein employed at the Ministry of Islamic Affairs. Shalawi was also “a longtime employee of the Saudi government.” The pair were in “frequent contact” with Saudi officials while in the US, according to the filings.

During a November 1999 America West flight to Washington, Qudhaeein and Shalawi are reported to have tried multiple times to gain access to the cockpit of the plane in an attempt to test flight-deck security in advance of the hijackings.

“After they boarded the plane in Phoenix, they began asking the flight attendants technical questions about the flight that the flight attendants found suspicious,” according to a summary of the FBI case files.

“When the plane was in flight, al-Qudhaeein asked where the bathroom was; one of the flight attendants pointed him to the back of the plane,” it added. “Nevertheless, al-Qudhaeein went to the front of the plane and attempted on two occasions to enter the cockpit.”

The pilots were so spooked by the Saudi passengers and their aggressive behavior that they made an emergency landing in Ohio. On the ground there, police handcuffed them and took them into custody. Though the FBI later questioned them, it decided not to pursue prosecution.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia   9/11/2017, 7:50 pm

Yeah. Makes you wonder why we're so damn cozy with the Saudi's, doesn't it?
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia   9/12/2017, 1:09 pm

Scorpion wrote:
Yeah.  Makes you wonder why we're so damn cozy with the Saudi's, doesn't it?  
Really? Oil. Our leaders cry about human rights violations anywhere they see them. Never a peep about Saudi Arabia.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia   9/12/2017, 4:45 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
Yeah.  Makes you wonder why we're so damn cozy with the Saudi's, doesn't it?  
Really? Oil. Our leaders cry about human rights violations anywhere they see them. Never a peep about Saudi Arabia.

So are you saying that the US (allegedly) condoned an attack on our country sponsored by Saudi Arabia simply because we import oil from them?

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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia   9/12/2017, 5:05 pm

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Artie60438 wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
Yeah.  Makes you wonder why we're so damn cozy with the Saudi's, doesn't it?  
Really? Oil. Our leaders cry about human rights violations anywhere they see them. Never a peep about Saudi Arabia.

So are you saying that the US (allegedly) condoned an attack on our country sponsored by Saudi Arabia simply because we import oil from them?
I don't think we "condoned" it as much we just look the other way. What's the alternative? Start a war in the middle east and disrupt the worlds oil supply? Before you mention Iraq keep in mind that they didn't have anywhere near the oil reserves that the Saudi's,nor were they supplying a huge part of the world,and other middle east countries saw Saddam as a legitimate threat.

Let's also not forget that Saudi Arabia is also a huge Arms customer. In the end it's Big Oil & the Military industrial complex vs the everyday citizen. Who do you think is going to come out on top?
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia   9/12/2017, 9:01 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
Yeah.  Makes you wonder why we're so damn cozy with the Saudi's, doesn't it?  
Really? Oil. Our leaders cry about human rights violations anywhere they see them. Never a peep about Saudi Arabia.

So are you saying that the US (allegedly) condoned an attack on our country sponsored by Saudi Arabia simply because we import oil from them?
I don't think we "condoned" it as much we just look the other way.

Yeah, well those two terms are synonymous.

Artie60438 wrote:

Let's also not forget that Saudi Arabia is also a huge Arms customer. In the end it's Big Oil & the Military industrial complex vs the everyday citizen. Who do you think is going to come out on top?

I don't believe it's about being an Arms customer, and disruption of the world's oil supply is certainly a factor, but is that enough to cause our country to "look the other way" if the government of Saudi Arabia was complicit in an attack on our soil?
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia   9/13/2017, 5:16 pm

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Artie60438 wrote:

Let's also not forget that Saudi Arabia is also a huge Arms customer. In the end it's Big Oil & the Military industrial complex vs the everyday citizen. Who do you think is going to come out on top?

I don't believe it's about being an Arms customer, and disruption of the world's oil supply is certainly a factor, but is that enough to cause our country to "look the other way" if the government of Saudi Arabia was complicit in an attack on our soil?
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I do. We've looked the other way on lots of horrendous things. I also believe the main reason we went after Saddam was that he tried to kill W's father. No way could you open a front on Saudi Arabia too. Even moderate Arab states wouldn't go along with that.
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PostSubject: Re: 9/11 and Saudi Arabia   9/15/2017, 8:23 am

Artie60438 wrote:
Scorpion wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Let's also not forget that Saudi Arabia is also a huge Arms customer. In the end it's Big Oil & the Military industrial complex vs the everyday citizen. Who do you think is going to come out on top?

I don't believe it's about being an Arms customer, and disruption of the world's oil supply is certainly a factor, but is that enough to cause our country to "look the other way" if the government of Saudi Arabia was complicit in an attack on our soil?
I do. We've looked the other way on lots of horrendous things. I also believe the main reason we went after Saddam was that he tried to kill W's father. No way could you open a front on Saudi Arabia too. Even moderate Arab states wouldn't go along with that.[/quote]

That's quite a derogatory avatar you have there, Artie.
Aren't you afraid that Trump might grab you by your pussy and throw you in the gulag?
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