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PostSubject: Accidental Racist   4/9/2013, 5:02 pm

Don't make me read this again - I already threw up once.



http://popdust.com/2013/04/08/brad-paisleys-accidental-racist-lyrics-analysis/

Brad Paisley’s “Accidental Racist” Lyrics Breakdown: Just How Bad Is It?


Brad Paisley is not a racist. He’s not an “accidental” one (whatever that means) or even an on-purpose one. The man just wants peace and racial harmony, and he’s collaborated with LL Cool J on a new song, “Accidental Racist,” to bring about the post-racial utopia he dreams of. And he’s achieved it, in a way—people of all races are joining hands and coming together as one to mock the song’s colossal wrongheadedness.
It’s not that “Accidental Racist” is hateful. Far from it! Paisley and LL Cool J open their hearts towards their brother man, and sincerely try to understand where the other one is coming from: “I’m just a white man / Coming to you from the Southland / Trying to understand what it’s like not to be.” Sure, it’s hamfisted, but at least Paisley is acknowledging that whiteness is not the default, that other people’s experiences are just as real as his own. “[I'm] looking like I’ve got a lot to learn,” he sings elsewhere in the song, which is the closest thing you’re going to get to a privilege-check in today’s popular music.
But beyond the good intentions, there’s a shocking amount of naivety on display in “Accidental Racist”, particularly for two men who’ve spent a combined 85 years living in American society. From most- to least-forgivable, their sins are:
CONFLATING PERSONAL PREJUDICE WITH INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM: You wouldn’t know it from movies like The Help, but the history of racial oppression goes beyond some people being rude to some other people because of the color of their skin. But everyone messes this one up—even us!—so Brad and LL get a pass.
GLOSSING OVER SLAVERY AND JIM CROW AS “MISTAKES”: Calling your girlfriend your ex’s name is a mistake. Systematically robbing millions of people of their humanity goes a little further than that. For the sake of lyrical brevity we understand why Brad didn’t go into the whole history here, but there’s got to be a better two-syllable word that works in that spot.
SAMPLING “DIXIE” IN A SONG ABOUT RACE RELATIONS: Yes, it’s a catchy song. Yes, Abraham Lincoln liked it. This does not change the fact that it was the unofficial national anthem of a state built on white supremacy.
TIPPING A HAT TO THE “ANGRY BLACKS JUST WANT THE WHITE MAN’S MONEY” MEME: “I want you to get paid, but be a slave I never could,” raps LL. Why are those two thoughts next to each other?
MAKING THE WORST FALSE EQUIVALENCIES THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN: The most poisonous of all the song’s rhetorical sins come in the coda, where Paisley and LL Cool J trade lines about making the world a better place. It’s cute, until you realize what they’re saying: “If you won’t judge my do-rag, I won’t judge your red [Confederate] flag.” In other words, LL won’t get mad about Brad sporting a symbol of white supremacy as long as Brad won’t get mad about … a random fashion choice that has nothing to do with him. Later, it gets worse: “If you forget my gold chains, I’ll forget the iron chains.” Is putting people who don’t like slavery on the same moral level as racists really worth that wordplay?
That’s the overwhelming message of the song: Yes, white southerners may have been pretty racist in the past, but as a result of that racism some people have negative feelings about the South—and isn’t that just as bad? If those people could just be less angry and forget about the racism, well then by golly, white southerners might stop being racist! For a guy who just wants to wear his Skynyrd shirt in peace, that’s a post-racial utopia worth singing about.
The full lyrics are below. You can play the song at the bottom of the post!




To the man who waited on me
At the Starbucks down on Main
I hope you understand
When I put on that t-shirt
The only thing I meant to say
Is I’m a Skynyrd fan
The red flag on my chest is somehow like the elephant
In the corner of the South
And I just walked him right in the room
Just a proud rebel son
With an old can of worms
Looking like I’ve got a lot to learn
But from my point of view
I’m just a white man
Coming to you from the Southland
Trying to understand what it’s like not to be
I’m proud of where I’m from
But not everything we’ve done
And it ain’t like you and me to rewrite history
Our generation didn’t start this nation
We’re still picking up the pieces
Walking over eggshells
Fighting over yesterday
And caught between southern pride
And southern blame
They called it Reconstruction
Fixed the buildings, dried some tears
We’re still sifting’ through the rubble
After 150 years
I’ll try to put myself in your shoes
And that’s a good place to begin
It ain’t like I can walk a mile
In someone else’s skin
‘Cause I’m just a white man
Living in the Southland
Just like you, I’m more than what you see
I’m proud of where I’m from
And not everything we’ve done
And it ain’t like you and me to rewrite history
Our generation didn’t start this nation
And we’re still paying for the mistakes
Than a bunch of folks made
Long before we came
Caught somewhere between southern pride
And southern blame
[LL Cool J]
Dear Mr. White Man, I wish you understood
What the world is really like when you’re living in the hood
Just because my pants are saggin’ doesn’t mean I’m up to no good
You should try to get to know me, I really wish you would
Now my chains are gold, but I’m still misunderstood
I wasn’t there when Sherman’s March turned the south into firewood
I want you to get paid, but be a slave I never could
Feel like a new-fangled Django dogging invisible white hoods
So when I see that white cowboy hat, I’m thinking it’s not all good
I guess we’re both guilty of judging the cover, not the book
I’d love to buy you a beer, conversate and clear the air
But I see that red flag and I think you wish I wasn’t here
I’m just a white man
(If you don’t judge my do-rag)
Coming to you from the southland
(I won’t judge your red flag)
Trying to understand what it’s like not to be
I’m proud of where I’m from
(If you forget my gold chains)
But not everything we’ve done
(I’ll forget the iron chains)
It ain’t like you and me can rewrite history
(Can’t rewrite history, baby)
Oh, Dixieland
(The relationship between the Mason-Dixon needs some fixing’)
I hope you understand what this is all about
(Quite frankly, I’m a black Yankee, but I’ve been thinking about this lately)
I’m a son of the New South
(The past is the past, you feel me)
And I just want to make things right
(Let bygones be bygones)
Where all that’s left is southern pride
(RIP Robert E. Lee, but I’ve gotta thank Abraham Lincoln for freeing me, know what I mean)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uC6Ev5o5r7Y
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/10/2013, 12:03 pm

So what made you throw up?
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/10/2013, 3:55 pm

edge540 wrote:
So what made you throw up?



You have an alleged man groveling and apologizing, essentially begging to be forgiven not for something he actually did, but rather asking forgiveness for what other people’s perception of him may be. (And I don’t even want to get into the sentiments of the author of the article.)
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/10/2013, 4:19 pm

I see.
Doesn't take a whole lot to make you throw up, does it?
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/10/2013, 4:42 pm

edge540 wrote:
I see.
Doesn't take a whole lot to make you throw up, does it?

Nah. Usually, a display of self-emasculation from a grown man will do the trick (along with acid reflux).
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 10:49 am

When I saw the title of the thread I thought it was about Rand Paul.

Rand Paul Goes to Howard

By CHARLES M. BLOW

The Republican Party is struggling with its future. Will it be a regional, Congressional party fighting a last-gasp battle for a shrinking base in a David and Goliath war against ominously expanding federal government? Or will it become a national, presidential party capable of adapting to a new American reality of diversity and expression in which the government serves an essential function in regulating public safety, providing a safety net and serving as a safeguard against discrimination?

Senator Rand Paul is trying to find a balance between the two. The same week that a dozen defiant senators threatened to filibuster any new gun control legislation, Paul ventured across Washington to historically black Howard University and gave a speech aimed at outreach and bridge building.

The man is mulling a presidential run after all.

The speech was a dud. It was a clipped-tail history lesson praising the civil rights record of the pre-Southern Strategy Republican Party, while slamming the concurrent record of the Democrats.

It completely ignored the past generation of egregious and willful acts of insensitivity by the G.O.P. toward the African-American community.

During the speech Paul asked, rhetorically and incredulously:

“How did the party that elected the first black U.S. Senator, the party that elected the first 20 African-American Congressmen, how did that party become a party that now loses 95 percent of the black vote? How did the Republican Party, the party of the Great Emancipator, lose the trust and faith of an entire race? From the Civil War to the Civil Rights Movement, for a century, most black Americans voted Republican. How did we lose that vote?”

You can’t be serious, Senator Paul. In fact, I know that you’re not. No thinking American could be so dim as to genuinely pose such questions.

Let me explain.

Republicans lost it when Richard Nixon’s strategist Kevin Phillips, who popularized the “Southern Strategy,” told The New York Times Magazine in 1970 that “the more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans.”

They lost it when Nixon appointed William Rehnquist to the Supreme Court, a man who, while he was a law clerk in Justice Robert Jackson’s office, wrote a memo defending separate-but-equal during Brown v. Board of Education, saying, “I realize that it is an unpopular and unhumanitarian position, for which I have been excoriated by my ‘liberal’ colleagues, but I think Plessy v. Ferguson was right and should be reaffirmed.”

They lost it in 1976 when Ronald Reagan adopted the racially charged “welfare queens” trope. They lost it when George Bush used Willie Horton as a club against Michael Dukakis. They lost it when George W. Bush imperially flew over New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, when people were still being plucked from rooftops and were huddling in a humid Super Dome.

They lost it when the McCain campaign took a dark turn and painted Barack Obama as the other, a man “palling around with terrorists,” a man who didn’t see “America like you and I see America.”

They lost it when Republican Representative Joe Wilson yelled “You lie!” at the president during a speech to a joint session of Congress. They lost it when a finger-wagging Republican Gov. Jan Brewer publicly chastised the president on an Arizona tarmac.

They lost it in 2011 when a Republican presidential candidate, Newt Gingrich, who was the front-runner for a while, falsely and preposterously claimed that: “Really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works. So they literally have no habit of showing up on Monday. They have no habit of staying all day. They have no habit of ‘I do this and you give me cash’ unless it’s illegal.”

They lost it when another Republican presidential candidate, Rick Santorum, he of “blah people” infamy, accused President Obama of “elitist snobbery” and “hubris” for supposedly saying “under my administration, every child should go to college.” (For the record, the president never actually said that.)

The Republicans lost the black vote when Herman Cain, an African-American candidate for the Republican nomination, began using overt slave imagery to suggest that he had left “the Democrat plantation.”

They continued to lose it when the African-American Republican of the moment, Dr. Benjamin Carson, echoed Cain and said of white liberals:

“Well, they’re the most racist people there are. You know, they put you in a little category, a little box. You have to think this way. How could you dare come off the plantation?”

The Republican Party has a tarnished brand in the eyes of the African-American community, largely because of its own actions and rhetoric. That can’t be glossed over by painting the present party with the laurels of the distant past.
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 3:48 pm

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When I saw the title of the thread I thought it was about Rand Paul.


Precisely what in the article you posted leads you to accuse Rand Paul of being a racist?
Be specific.
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 3:56 pm

Glad you asked.
There is nothing in the article to lead me to believe that Rand Paul is a racist. I thought it might have been about a Rand Paul lying about his record on the civil rights movement.
http://www.politicususa.com/rand-paul-questioning-gop-vote-suppression-laws-demeaning-civil-rights-movement.html
Anybody who questions or whines about the Civil Rights Act and then lies about his record on it, is a racist, IMHO.
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 4:16 pm

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Glad you asked.
There is nothing in the article to lead me to believe that Rand Paul is a racist. I thought it might have been about a Rand Paul lying about his record on civil rights:
http://www.politicususa.com/rand-paul-questioning-gop-vote-suppression-laws-demeaning-civil-rights-movement.html
Any body who questions or whines about the Civil Rights Act and then lies about his record on it, is a racist, IMHO.


What part of these words constitutes racism?
If you disagree with what he is saying, then you are clearly pro-censorship.


PAUL: I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I’m all in favor of that.

INTERVIEWER: But?

PAUL: You had to ask me the “but.” I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners—I abhor racism. I think it’s a bad business decision to exclude anybody from your restaurant—but, at the same time, I do believe in private ownership. But I absolutely think there should be no discrimination in anything that gets any public funding, and that’s most of what I think the Civil Rights Act was about in my mind.

INTERVIEWER: But under your philosophy, it would be okay for Dr. King not to be served at the counter at Woolworths?

PAUL: I would not go to that Woolworths, and I would stand up in my community and say that it is abhorrent, um, but, the hard part—and this is the hard part about believing in freedom—is, if you believe in the First Amendment, for example—you have to, for example, most good defenders of the First Amendment will believe in abhorrent groups standing up and saying awful things and uh, we’re here at the bastion of newspaperdom, I’m sure you believe in the First Amendment so you understand that people can say bad things. It’s the same way with other behaviors. In a free society, we will tolerate boorish people, who have abhorrent behavior, but if we’re civilized people, we publicly criticize that, and don’t belong to those groups, or don’t associate with those people.


“ I’m not in favor of any discrimination of any form. I would never belong to any club that excluded anybody for race. We still do have private clubs in America that can discriminate based on race.

“But I think what’s important about this debate is not written into any specific “gotcha” on this, but asking the question: what about freedom of speech? Should we limit speech from people we find abhorrent? Should we limit racists from speaking? I don’t want to be associated with those people, but I also don’t want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that’s one of the things freedom requires is that we allow people to be boorish and uncivilized, but that doesn’t mean we approve of it. I think the problem with this debate is by getting muddled down into it, the implication is somehow that I would approve of any racism or discrimination, and I don’t in any form or fashion.”
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 4:33 pm

Here ya go jack, THIS constitutes racism: "I think it’s a bad business decision to exclude anybody from your restaurant—but, at the same time, I do believe in private ownership."
In other words your boy thinks that because he is the private owner of a business he has the right to exclude somebody because of their race.

Question:
You agree with Rand Paul?
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 5:02 pm

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Here ya go jack, THIS constitutes racism: "I think it’s a bad business decision to exclude anybody from your restaurant—but, at the same time, I do believe in private ownership."

No, THAT constitutes a belief in private ownership.
He says he would never exclude anyone from his business based upon their race, he does not condone it, and he would speak out against it.
How does that constitute racism?
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 6:16 pm

It's very simple jack, when you support and condone a racist act, discrimination based on race, you are then a racist....and don't forget, he's also a proven liar.
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 7:27 pm

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It's very simple jack, when you support and condone a racist act, discrimination based on race, you are then a racist....and don't forget, he's also a proven liar.

But he doesn't support and condone it - he quite clearly regards it as abhorrent.
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 8:13 pm

Right.
Must be why he picked Christopher Hightower as his campaign spokesman.
http://www.kentucky.com/2009/12/18/1064489/rand-paul-spokesman-resigns-over.html
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/11/2013, 10:41 pm

edge540 wrote:
Right.
Must be why he picked Christopher Hightower as his campaign spokesman.
http://www.kentucky.com/2009/12/18/1064489/rand-paul-spokesman-resigns-over.html



happy jack wrote:
But he doesn't support and condone it - he quite clearly regards it as abhorrent ....

,,,, which is why Hightower is no longer with him.
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/12/2013, 8:30 am

Guess Who's Coming to Howard

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/12/jon-stewart-rips-apart-rand-pauls-attempted-outreach-to-black-students/
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/12/2013, 8:42 am

edge540 wrote:
Guess Who's Coming to Howard

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/12/jon-stewart-rips-apart-rand-pauls-attempted-outreach-to-black-students/



I'm still waiting for the rationale that backs up your claim that Rand Paul is a racist.
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/12/2013, 9:37 am

Rand Paul supports discrimination based on race which in my opinion is a racist ideology.
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"But he doesn't support and condone it - he quite clearly regards it as
abhorrent"

Yes he does and like I said, he's a liar.
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He feels it should be acceptable for any business owner to pick and choose who
they want to serve in their restaurants, bars and movie theatres. Presumably,
following this line of thinking, if business owners wished to align
seating/service/restroom areas within their establishments according to the
perceived 'race' of their clientele, that would be fine, too. Paul asserts that
this should be the right of business owners: that the federal government has no
right interfering in the private choices of any establishment, whether they be
'white' owned or 'black' owned. Both could discriminate to their hearts'
content, without anyone official being able to force them to do otherwise...
Segregation - illegal under the 14th amendment - allowed business owners to herd blacks into inferior accommodations, dirty restrooms and separate-but-unequal everything. It wasn't until the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed over the howls of southern states that things changed for the better. For Rand Paul to suggest that this is the way things ought to be goes well beyond ignorance. It is beyond an oversight on his part. This is pandering to the racist elements of his state, pure and simple, and for him to claim it is the right way is facetious. It is racist in intent. He is racist in intent, plain and simple.

http://www.helium.com/debates/365087-was-rand-pauls-statement-about-1964-civil-rights-act-racist/side_by_side
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/12/2013, 2:57 pm

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Rand Paul supports discrimination based on race which in my opinion is a racist ideology.
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"But he doesn't support and condone it - he quite clearly regards it as
abhorrent"

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This entire section of your ‘proof’ is, to put it politely, pure speculation on the part of the author and, to put it less politely, pure bullshit. I’d like to see you back any of this up with fact, not opinion. Was the author himself, “down at the corner bar, out on the farm when country folks got together and, most disturbingly, in church right from the pulpit” when all of this ‘racism’ allegedly took place? How is he able to divine, “the long-simmering resentments they've managed to contain since 1964” and, “these once-hidden hates that still burn in some men's and women's souls” in these individuals”?
Citations, please.



Why would a politician take such a stand? Are black business owners complaining about having to serve a mixed clientele? Are asian business owners hot under the collar whenever whites frequent their door? Not likely, I'll wager. The audience Paul is sending a signal to is exclusively white folks, some of whom are unreconstructed racists fuming not only about the provisions of the Civil Rights Act, but particularly insulted at the fact that this country has a black president for the first time. And the long-simmering resentments they've managed to contain since 1964 have boiled over since the election of 2008. Tolerance went out the window, in part thanks to rabble-rousers who've whipped ugly sentiments up, playing to these once-hidden hates that still burn in some men's and women's souls. They talked it up down at the corner bar, out on the farm when country folks got together and, most disturbingly, in church right from the pulpit. Right-wing commentators on radio used more subtle language, but they still whipped their listeners up by mocking the president and other black politicians who dared to take office in today's world. Racist cartoons, jokes and daily speech crept back into the mainstream, returning from forced exile. Public lynching hasn't returned, but verbal lynching came along to replace it. Socially unacceptable behavior also started showing up again, reminding this nation that it hasn't been all that long since Jim Crow laws were widespread across the former Confederate states - including Paul's home, Kentucky.
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/12/2013, 3:12 pm

The only thing that is bullshit is conservatives denying that racism still exists. Yeah I guess Colin Powell is just imagining all this right along, right?
Colin Powell Calls Out The GOP’s Racism Problem: There Is ‘A Dark Vein Of Intolerance’

By Igor Volsky on Jan 13, 2013 at 11:16 am

On Sunday, during an appearance on Meet The Press, Colin Powell condemned the GOP’s “dark vein of intolerance” and the party’s repeated use of racial code words to oppose President Obama and rally white conservative voters.
Without mentioning names, Powell singled out former Mitt Romney surrogate and New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu for calling Obama “lazy” and Sarah Palin, who, Powell charged, used slavery-era terms to describe Obama:
POWELL: There’s also a dark — a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the party. What do I mean by that? I mean by that that they still sort of look down on minorities. How can I evidence that?
When I see a former governor say that the President is “shuckin’ and jivin’,” that’s racial era slave term. When I see another former governor after the president’s first debate where he didn’t do very well, says that the president was lazy. He didn’t say he was slow. He was tired. He didn’t do well. He said he was lazy. Now, it may not mean anything to most Americans, but to those of us who are African Americans, the second word is shiftless and then there’s a third word that goes along with that. The birther, the whole birther movement. Why do senior Republican leaders tolerate this kind of discussion within the party?
Watch it:

Powell added that the Republican Party is “having an identity problem,” noting that its significant shift to the right has produced “two losing presidential campaigns.” “I think what the Republican Party needs to do now is a very hard look at itself and understand that the country is changed,” he said. “If the Republican Party does not change along with that demographic, they a going to be in trouble.”
Powell also called on Republicans to focus on a more equitable and progressive economic policies that help middle and lower income Americans, as well as immigration reform. “Everybody wants to talk about who is going to be the candidate,” Powell said. “You better think first about what’s the party actually going to represent.”

And hey jack, how 'bout those segregated proms, eh?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/segregated-prom-naacp-lob_n_3052985.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24prom-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/12/2013, 3:33 pm

...and then of course we have this gem from a republican in Kansas:

Jim Gile, Kansas County Official, Apologizes For Racist Comment





Huffington Post ‎- 3 days ago
Saline County Commissioner Jim Gile (R) used the term "nigger-rigging" during a commission discussion April 2 about hiring an architect to ...
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/12/2013, 4:28 pm

Here's my favorite. This wasn't taken 40 years ago, this is from last year.
Bill Maher Mississippi - YouTube
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/12/2013, 5:02 pm

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Here's my favorite. This wasn't taken 40 years ago, this is from last year.
Bill Maher Mississippi - YouTube



A half-dozen staged examples from one hick town, out of 300 million people (50+ million of them who elected a black president twice, by the way), and this is supposed to be some sort of proof of widespread racism in this country?
What a joke.
Worse than a joke, actually.
Keep reaching.
I know you're desperate to make your case, but come on - really.
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/12/2013, 5:15 pm

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Yeah I guess Colin Powell is just imagining all this right along, right?

By all accounts, Colin Powell was a fine military commander and is an all-around good man.
Now, what leads you to assert that he's somehow an expert on this topic?
The fact that he's black?
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PostSubject: Re: Accidental Racist   4/13/2013, 11:21 am

Good to see you conveniently ignored the segregated proms and the racist in Kansas.
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"A half-dozen staged examples from one hick town..."
No sir, nothing was staged. Those are typical conservative southern rednecks that vote republican that you can find anywhere down south and even here in Indiana.

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"...supposed to be some sort of proof of widespread racism in this
country"
Nah, nobody made the claim there is "widespread racism" in this country.
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"I know you're desperate to make your case, but come on -
really."
Nope, just simply pointing out the reality that you obviously can't handle.
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"Now, what leads you to assert that he's somehow an expert on this topic?"

So you're the expert?
Nah, it doesn't take an expert or PhD to identify bigotry and racism that still exists in this country
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