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PostSubject: Hurricane Sandy   10/26/2012, 10:54 pm

This storm looks like it could be really bad. Hopefully, it won't be a bad as predicted, but aside from the costs associated with the storm, it looks like it could have a definite impact on the election as well.

I've been feeling pretty good about the upcoming election, but this storm could change everything. It's headed (well, predicted at least) directly at many "blue states," and there is a chance that many of the states will be without power for an extended period, if it ends up being as bad as they say...

Of course, it could all be hype... There's a must-see at the link below...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/hurricane-sandy-five-tips-for-avoiding-hype/2012/10/26/7bc942f4-1fa8-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_blog.html

Obviously, there are more important things in life than elections, but I'd really hate to see the results of a Presidential election determined by a weather event.

I guess we'll see what happens. It makes we wonder what would happen if a super storm actually occurred on election day... If millions of people couldn't get to the polls, or all the machines were down due to a widespread power outage, would the results be legitimate?

I don't think so.

I also thought that this was interesting...

As Historic Storm Approaches New England, Rep. Markey Releases Report on Climate Change’s Effects on Region

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Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) today released a report that pulls together the latest studies on climate change’s negative effects on New England, painting a picture of a region already changed, and in danger of losing essential characteristics and economic engines.

“If climate change continues unchecked, Hurricane Sandy won’t be our October surprise, it could be the new normal for New England, where dangerous storms and other climate effects put lives and livelihoods in danger,” said Rep. Markey, who is the top Democrat on the Natural Resources Committee and the co-author of the only climate change bill to pass a chamber of Congress. “The Perfect Storm was supposed to be a once-in-a-lifetime event, but climate change is increasing the chances of these sorts of historic extreme weather events.”


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The report, “The New New England: How Climate Change Jeopardizes the Northeast’s Economy and Environment,” was written by the Democratic staff of the Natural Resources Committee, at the direction of Rep. Markey.

Some of the major findings of the report include:

--Precipitation in New England is becoming increasingly erratic – extreme rain and snowfall events are on the rise, making damaging floods more likely. Extreme downpours and snowfalls have increased by 85 percent since 1948.

--Rates of sea-level rise from North Carolina to Massachusetts are two to four times faster than the global average, causing more erosion an storm threats now and potential inundation in the future.

--The Northeast is heating up rapidly. January to August 2012 set a new record for high temperatures both on land and in the ocean. Without action to curb carbon pollution, this warming is expected to continue. By the end of the century, Massachusetts summers could feel like North Carolina’s.

--Ocean temperatures in the Northeast during the first half of 2012 were the warmest on record, which can fuel stronger storms.

Climate changes in New England are changing the economic climate in key industries throughout the region. The Markey report finds that:

--By 2100, Maine will likely be the only state cold enough to sustain ski resorts, putting thousands out of work and losing billions of dollars for the New England economy.

--In 2012, New England maple syrup production was down 27 percent from the previous year, leading to an approximately $17 million loss to the industry.

--Invasive beetles, changing forests, droughts, and increasing wildfires could change the face – and palette of fall foliage – of New England’s forests, leading to falling tourism visits and dollars.

--As sea levels rise and storms become more severe, many of Boston's best-known landmarks will be threatened, including Faneuil Hall, Quincy Market, North Station, Fan Pier, Copley Church, John Hancock Tower and the Public Garden.

--Warming waters are already potentially altering the makeup of marine life off New England’s coasts, leading to severe reductions in fish like cod, and massive increases in lobster stocks.

“We have some of the best skiing, fishing and foliage in the world in New England, and it all is at risk due to climate change,” said Rep. Markey. “In order to save our traditions, we need more innovations that will cut the carbon pollution that is changing the very face of our planet.”
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/27/2012, 11:53 am

Scorpion wrote:
If millions of people couldn't get to the polls, or all the machines were down due to a widespread power outage, would the results be legitimate?

If the election is affected by an act of God, would that be a violation of the separation of church and state?
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/27/2012, 4:35 pm

happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
If millions of people couldn't get to the polls, or all the machines were down due to a widespread power outage, would the results be legitimate?

[b]If the election is affected by an act of God, would that be a violation of the separation of church and state?
It's an act of science. Supernatural superstitions have nothing to do with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/28/2012, 1:05 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
If millions of people couldn't get to the polls, or all the machines were down due to a widespread power outage, would the results be legitimate?

[b]If the election is affected by an act of God, would that be a violation of the separation of church and state?
It's an act of science. Supernatural superstitions have nothing to do with it.

You are quite possibly the slowest person I have ever encountered.
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/28/2012, 1:13 pm

happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
If millions of people couldn't get to the polls, or all the machines were down due to a widespread power outage, would the results be legitimate?

[b]If the election is affected by an act of God, would that be a violation of the separation of church and state?
It's an act of science. Supernatural superstitions have nothing to do with it.
You are quite possibly the slowest person I have ever encountered.
You can remove all doubts by looking in the mirror.
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/28/2012, 1:33 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
If millions of people couldn't get to the polls, or all the machines were down due to a widespread power outage, would the results be legitimate?

[b]If the election is affected by an act of God, would that be a violation of the separation of church and state?
It's an act of science. Supernatural superstitions have nothing to do with it.
You are quite possibly the slowest person I have ever encountered.
You can remove all doubts by looking in the mirror.
Put quite a bit of time and effort into that comeback, didn't you?
I think I can smell your brain burning.
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/29/2012, 9:18 pm

Unbelievable image of the entire storm
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/30/2012, 10:40 am


June 4, 2008

"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."


Yet another promise broken.
Tsk, tsk.
How sad.
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/30/2012, 11:02 am

happy jack wrote:

June 4, 2008

"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."


Yet another promise broken.
Tsk, tsk.
How sad.
November 6th 2012 Barack Hussein Obama re-elected President of the United States

January 20th,2013 You start banging your head against the wall for the next 4 years

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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/30/2012, 3:28 pm

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January 20th,2013 You start banging your head against the wall for the next 4 years
Actually he started doing that on January 20th, 2008 and hasn't stopped like most ODS conservatives.
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/30/2012, 4:36 pm

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/30/14801548-there-was-no-stopping-it-sandys-surge-inundates-northern-nj-towns’

'There was no stopping it': Sandy's surge inundates northern NJ towns

TETERBORO, N.J. — Residents of four northern New Jersey towns inundated when a levee failed to hold back Sandy's storm surge said Tuesday that they were terrified to see a torrent of water racing through their streets.
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There were conflicting accounts on whether the levee protecting the towns broke or was overtopped.



The levee broke or was overtopped, my ass.
It was dynamited by Mitt Romney personally in the hopes that predominantly minority neighborhoods would be flooded.
(Or at least that's the story that will run on the front page of daily kos and think progress .)
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/30/2012, 5:30 pm

happy jack wrote:
The levee broke or was overtopped, my ass.
It was dynamited by Mitt Romney personally in the hopes that predominantly minority neighborhoods would be flooded.
(Or at least that's the story that will run on the front page of daily kos and think progress .)
Pay attention,troll
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/30/2012, 6:28 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
The levee broke or was overtopped, my ass.
It was dynamited by Mitt Romney personally in the hopes that predominantly minority neighborhoods would be flooded.
(Or at least that's the story that will run on the front page of daily kos and think progress .)
Pay attention,troll



Pay attention to what? To Clinton saying this, in regard to Obama’s professed ability to turn back the seas?

“In my part of America, we would like it if somebody could have done that yesterday.”

Unfortunately for Clinton and his part of America, Barry didn’t really come through on that promise, did He?



Or should I have paid attention when Clinton said this?

“In the real world, Barack Obama’s policies work better.”

Really?
Where?
Because I see a lot of wet people, some of them dead.

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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   10/30/2012, 8:41 pm

This takes the cake..
Bush’s FEMA Director,"Heckuva Job Brownie", During Katrina Criticizes Obama For Responding To Sandy Too Quickly
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Former FEMA Director Michael Brown offered criticism of President Obama’s early responses to Hurricane Sandy yesterday, including a dig at the administration’s response to last month’s attack in Libya.

Yesterday, ahead of the storm’s pummeling of the eastern seaboard, Brown gave an interview to the local alternative paper, the Denver Westword, on how he believed the Obama administration was responding to Sandy too quickly and that Obama had spoken to the press about Sandy’s potential effect too early.

Brown turned then to a reliable right-wing attack on the President’s response to the attack on a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi that killed four Americans:

“One thing he’s gonna be asked is, why did he jump on [the hurricane] so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in…Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas?” Brown says. “Why was this so quick?… At some point, somebody’s going to ask that question…. This is like the inverse of Benghazi.”

Conservatives have been hitting Obama for weeks on his attendance at a fundraiser in Nevada following the assault in Benghazi, claiming at alternate times that the President either cared more about politics than lives lost or that he was trying to downplay the attack’s significance. Now the critique has mutated into a belief that Obama is currently “playing President” to score points during disaster relief in the run-up to the election, in contrast to his actions in September.

Brown is not the only one making the insinuation that Obama and his administration are responding too quickly to Sandy only for political reasons. He’s joined in his accusations by such prominent right-wing commentators as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and columnist Charles Krauthammer.

However, Brown’s comments carry a special irony due to the role he played during the Hurricane Katrina debacle in 2005. As director of FEMA during the legendarily botched response, Brown, famously dubbed “Brownie” by President Bush, was in the center of criticism from both sides of the aisle that the Bush administration was too slow to respond. An internal review by the Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector-General following the disaster concluded, “Much of the criticism is warranted.” Brown resigned from his position as director less than two weeks after Katrina hit.
I watched the first half hr of Insanity Hannity tonight. The moron spent about 5 whole minutes on the storm and then went right into the usual wingnut Benghazi allegations followed by some nonsense that the momentum is with Romney. Their despiration is hilarious.
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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   11/5/2012, 10:34 am

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PostSubject: Re: Hurricane Sandy   11/5/2012, 10:53 am

Peer Reviewed Research Predicted NYC Subway Flooding by #Sandy

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Earlier this year a paper was published in the journal Nature in which a team of scientists looked at changes in storm surge potential under conditions of global warming, and they used the New York City area in their modeling. Combined with resent research adding to the growing body of data and studies that show increased storminess with global warming, this research suggests that the increased possibility of a hurricane causing a storm surge that would actually flood the subways in Manhattan is not only possible, but pretty likely to happen in the near future. Perhaps as soon as …. earlier this week. More exactly, the research predicts an increase in the frequency of what we think of as “100-year flood” and “500-year floods.” In other words, more bad floods.

One study1 from 1987 indicated that modest warming over the Atlantic Ocean could increase the destructive nature of hurricanes by 40-50%. Subsequent studies showed variable results when modeling hurricane frequency or strength under warming conditions, but part of this had to do with the way models were constructed. Recently, Bender et al2 noted that earlier models showed, enigmatically, a decrease in hurricane activity with warming, but also failed to produce category 3 or higher storms, indicating that something was fundamentally wrong with the models. Their revised look at the question indicated that we could expect “…nearly a doubling of the frequency of category 4 and 5 storms by the end of the 21st century…” and they further noted that the “…largest increase is projected to occur in the Western Atlantic, north of 20°N.” New York City is north of 20°N and adjoins the Western Atlantic.

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The peer reviewed research at hand that predicted the flooding of subways in NY was produced earlier this year. From the abstract of the paper:

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Storm surges are responsible for much of the damage and loss of life associated with landfalling hurricanes. Understanding how global warming will affect hurricane surges thus holds great interest. As general circulation models (GCMs) cannot simulate hurricane surges directly, we couple a GCM-driven hurricane model with hydrodynamic models to simulate large numbers of synthetic surge events under projected climates and assess surge threat, as an example, for New York City (NYC). Struck by many intense hurricanes in recorded history and prehistory, NYC is highly vulnerable to storm surges. We show that the change of storm climatology will probably increase the surge risk for NYC; results based on two GCMs show the distribution of surge levels shifting to higher values by a magnitude comparable to the projected sea-level rise (SLR). The combined effects of storm climatology change and a 1 m SLR may cause the present NYC 100-yr surge flooding to occur every 3–20 yr and the present 500-yr flooding to occur every 25–240 yr by the end of the century.



And then there's the big article in Bloomberg:

It's Global Warming, Stupid

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Yes, yes, it’s unsophisticated to blame any given storm on climate change. Men and women in white lab coats tell us—and they’re right—that many factors contribute to each severe weather episode. Climate deniers exploit scientific complexity to avoid any discussion at all.

Clarity, however, is not beyond reach. Hurricane Sandy demands it: At least 40 U.S. deaths. Economic losses expected to climb as high as $50 billion. Eight million homes without power. Hundreds of thousands of people evacuated. More than 15,000 flights grounded. Factories, stores, and hospitals shut. Lower Manhattan dark, silent, and underwater.

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In an Oct. 30 blog post, Mark Fischetti of Scientific American took a spin through Ph.D.-land and found more and more credentialed experts willing to shrug off the climate caveats. The broadening consensus: “Climate change amps up other basic factors that contribute to big storms. For example, the oceans have warmed, providing more energy for storms. And the Earth’s atmosphere has warmed, so it retains more moisture, which is drawn into storms and is then dumped on us.” Even those of us who are science-phobic can get the gist of that.

Sandy featured a scary extra twist implicating climate change. An Atlantic hurricane moving up the East Coast crashed into cold air dipping south from Canada. The collision supercharged the storm’s energy level and extended its geographical reach. Pushing that cold air south was an atmospheric pattern, known as a blocking high, above the Arctic Ocean. Climate scientists Charles Greene and Bruce Monger of Cornell University, writing earlier this year in Oceanography, provided evidence that Arctic icemelts linked to global warming contribute to the very atmospheric pattern that sent the frigid burst down across Canada and the eastern U.S.

The Arctic melt is seriously fucking with jet streams and wind patterns.

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If all that doesn’t impress, forget the scientists ostensibly devoted to advancing knowledge and saving lives. Listen instead to corporate insurers committed to compiling statistics for profit.

On Oct. 17 the giant German reinsurance company Munich Re issued a prescient report titled Severe Weather in North America. Globally, the rate of extreme weather events is rising, and “nowhere in the world is the rising number of natural catastrophes more evident than in North America.” From 1980 through 2011, weather disasters caused losses totaling $1.06 trillion. Munich Re found “a nearly quintupled number of weather-related loss events in North America for the past three decades.” By contrast, there was “an increase factor of 4 in Asia, 2.5 in Africa, 2 in Europe, and 1.5 in South America.” Human-caused climate change “is believed to contribute to this trend,” the report said, “though it influences various perils in different ways.”

Global warming “particularly affects formation of heat waves, droughts, intense precipitation events, and in the long run most probably also tropical cyclone intensity,” Munich Re said. This July was the hottest month recorded in the U.S. since record-keeping began in 1895, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The U.S. Drought Monitor reported that two-thirds of the continental U.S. suffered drought conditions this summer.

The one industry that was quick to recognize global warming was the insurance industry. They have, demonstrably so, been shelling out more money for an increasing number of natural disasters.

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Mitt Romney has gone from being a supporter years ago of clean energy and emission caps to, more recently, a climate agnostic. On Aug. 30, he belittled his opponent’s vow to arrest climate change, made during the 2008 presidential campaign. “President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet,” Romney told the Republican National Convention in storm-tossed Tampa. “My promise is to help you and your family.” Two months later, in the wake of Sandy, submerged families in New Jersey and New York urgently needed some help dealing with that rising-ocean stuff.

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If Hurricane Sandy does nothing else, it should suggest that we need to commit more to disaster preparation and response. As with climate change, Romney has displayed an alarmingly cavalier attitude on weather emergencies. During one Republican primary debate last year, he was asked point-blank whether the functions of the Federal Emergency Management Agency ought to be turned back to the states. “Absolutely,” he replied. Let the states fend for themselves or, better yet, put the private sector in charge. Pay-as-you-go rooftop rescue service may appeal to plutocrats; when the flood waters are rising, ordinary folks welcome the National Guard.

And this is why global warming denialism is so fucking dangerous - disaster preparation and response. You simply cannot prepare for, let alone prevent, the immediate effects of global warming if you do not believe the problem exists, and the cost of burying your head so deep in the sand is measured in lives and billions of dollars.
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