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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/2/2018, 8:15 pm

Hats off to Emma Gonzalez @Emma4Change who has amassed more followers than the @NRA.

A kid calling for sensible gun reform has outnumbered the entire NRA--in just 10 days. Shocked She has almost twice as many followers 1.17 million as the NRA and there is no sign that it's slowing down. cheers

Should make for some interesting GOP town halls Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/4/2018, 7:07 pm

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Artchel 60438 wrote:
United Airlines, Delta cut ties with the NRA
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United Airlines and Delta are cutting ties with the National Rifle Association, the latest in major companies to do so following the deadly shooting at a Florida high school earlier this month.

Both Delta and Chicago-based United said Saturday they will no longer offer discounted fares to NRA members to attend their annual meetings, and both have asked the gun rights group to remove any references to their companies from the NRA website.
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Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
   ..... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.

If enough companies participate in these boycotts, perhaps the NRA will no longer be able to stockpile so many of those "assault" talking points and use them to kill people.
You never did explain, however, exactly how they use these talking points to slaughter innocent people.
I mean, these talking points, are they, like, real sharp points, and the NRA stabs and pokes people with them until they are dead?
How does this work?

Simple. They brainwash gullible lazy cranks like yourself who sit and watch Fox News all day with their rhetoric into believing that every gun nut like yourself should be allowed to purchase and stockpile weapons of mass destruction like military style assault weapons.



As a responsible gun owner and concealed carry permit holder, I have:

Passed a federal background check
Have submitted my fingerprints to the state and local police
Have no felony convictions
Have no violent misdemeanor convictions
Am not under adjudication for mental incompetence
Am statistically among the most law-abiding citizens in this country

As Artie 60438 demonizes and ridicules me for being a gun owner, I ask:
What do we know about Artie 60438?

Well, for one thing, Artie 60438 can't stop talking about other peoples' penises.
And Artie 60438 operates under the delusion that it is a man, when it clearly is not.
And Artie 60438 takes great pleasure in the murder of police officers.
And Artie 60438 obsesses over ejaculation while discussing the murder of young schoolchildren.

To whom it may concern:
Based upon the above descriptions, which one of us would you prefer to have living next door to you?
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/5/2018, 12:02 am

Trump Worshiping Advocate for the Murder of School Children wrote:
Artie Always Speaks the Truth wrote:
Trump Worshiping Advocate for the Murder of School Children wrote:
Artie Always Speaks the Truth wrote:
United Airlines, Delta cut ties with the NRA
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United Airlines and Delta are cutting ties with the National Rifle Association, the latest in major companies to do so following the deadly shooting at a Florida high school earlier this month.

Both Delta and Chicago-based United said Saturday they will no longer offer discounted fares to NRA members to attend their annual meetings, and both have asked the gun rights group to remove any references to their companies from the NRA website.
cheers Very Happy

Artie Always Speaks the Truth wrote:
   ..... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.

If enough companies participate in these boycotts, perhaps the NRA will no longer be able to stockpile so many of those "assault" talking points and use them to kill people.
You never did explain, however, exactly how they use these talking points to slaughter innocent people.
I mean, these talking points, are they, like, real sharp points, and the NRA stabs and pokes people with them until they are dead?
How does this work?

Simple. They brainwash gullible lazy cranks like yourself who sit and watch Fox News all day with their rhetoric into believing that every gun nut like yourself should be allowed to purchase and stockpile weapons of mass destruction like military style assault weapons.



As a responsible gun owner and concealed carry permit holder, I have:
Am statistically among the most law-abiding citizens in this country
That is until you snap like the guy in Las Vegas who shot up a music concert with an AR-15 penis extender or the kid who killed 17b at a school 2 weeks ago.
Pee-wee wrote:
As a responsible gun owner and concealed carry permit holder, I have:
a much smaller than average penis according to scientific studies.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/5/2018, 12:56 am

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Artchel 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
United Airlines, Delta cut ties with the NRA
Quote :
United Airlines and Delta are cutting ties with the National Rifle Association, the latest in major companies to do so following the deadly shooting at a Florida high school earlier this month.

Both Delta and Chicago-based United said Saturday they will no longer offer discounted fares to NRA members to attend their annual meetings, and both have asked the gun rights group to remove any references to their companies from the NRA website.
cheers Very Happy

Pretending to be a man but fooling no one 60438 wrote:
   ..... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.

If enough companies participate in these boycotts, perhaps the NRA will no longer be able to stockpile so many of those "assault" talking points and use them to kill people.
You never did explain, however, exactly how they use these talking points to slaughter innocent people.
I mean, these talking points, are they, like, real sharp points, and the NRA stabs and pokes people with them until they are dead?
How does this work?

Simple. They brainwash gullible lazy cranks like yourself who sit and watch Fox News all day with their rhetoric into believing that every gun nut like yourself should be allowed to purchase and stockpile weapons of mass destruction like military style assault weapons.



As a responsible gun owner and concealed carry permit holder, I have:
Am statistically among the most law-abiding citizens in this country

That is until you snap like the guy in Las Vegas who shot up a music concert with an AR-15 penis extender or the kid who killed 17b at a school 2 weeks ago.'

I am an eminently stable person, thank you very much, unlike:

Artie 60438, who can't stop talking about other peoples' penises.
And Artie 60438, who operates under the delusion that it is a man, when it clearly is not.
And Artie 60438, who takes great pleasure in the murder of police officers.
And Artie 60438, who obsesses over ejaculation while discussing the murder of young schoolchildren.



Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
As a responsible gun owner and concealed carry permit holder, I have:

a much smaller than average penis according to scientific studies.



Still with the penis talk, huh, Rachel?
Oy!!!!
Scientific studies?  
Which 'scientific studies' have you been engaging in?
Do you hang around gun shows and fondle the customers?

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/8/2018, 7:40 pm

The 2nd Amendment applies equally to men and women.
Please shut up until you are able to actually figure out what it is you are ranting about.




https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/constitution-gun-rights-women-rights_us_5a9ef7e0e4b002df2c5e7080

The Constitution Gives Gun Owners Greater Rights Than Women

For decades, women have been fighting for an equal rights amendment. Gun owners, mostly men, have had the Second Amendment for centuries.

By Emily Peck

Gun rights are enshrined in the Second Amendment, but women are still fighting for an equal rights amendment

Here’s a disturbing fact to consider in 2018, the year women supposedly began to topple the patriarchy: Gun owners in the United States, a majority of whom are men, have better constitutional rights than women.  
Gun owners have the Second Amendment, in place since the 18th century. The U.S. is one of only three countries that offer constitutional protection to gun owners.
Women, meanwhile, have been fighting for an equal rights amendment for decades. That’s because the Constitution does not actually grant women equal rights under the law, setting the country apart from 131 other nations that explicitly guarantee gender equality in their constitutions.
This failing means that when it comes to a raft of issues ― including equal pay, sexual harassment and domestic violence ― women lose.
“On the moral plane, there’s a sense in which the Constitution sets forth our human rights and to not have the human rights of women in there is a gross omission,” said Jessica Neuwirth, president of the ERA Coalition, a group founded in 2014 that’s dedicated to amending the Constitution. “It just makes no sense.”
This injustice burns all the more now, in the wake of the Parkland, Florida, shooting, in which a 19-year-old man used an AR-15 to murder 17 people, including 14 high school students. The shooter had a legal right to his guns. He apparently had an arsenal. And because he had no criminal record, the FBI and police did not have any legal standing to take them away. In 2014, police were similarly hamstrung in the case of a 22-year-old man who went on to kill six and injure 13 in a rampage in Isla Vista, California.
On the moral plane, there’s a sense in which the Constitution sets forth our human rights and to not have the human rights of women in there is a gross omission.
Contrast those cases with what happened to Jessica Gonzales, a Colorado mother whose three children, just 7, 9 and 10, were abducted and shot to death by her husband. Those children should still be alive today: Gonzales had obtained a protective order against her husband, who had been violent before. The police refused to enforce it, declining to get involved in a “private” matter between a man and his wife.
Gonzales sued the police, arguing she had a right to protection. Her case went all the way to the Supreme Court. But she lost in 2005. The court ruled that Gonzales, now known as Jessica Lenahan, had no constitutional right to help from law enforcement.
An equal rights amendment, which would force police to take the rights of women as seriously as they apparently take the rights of potential mass murderers, could have theoretically changed the outcome of that case.
Indeed, Gonzales has brought her case to an international court, which has charged the U.S. government with violating her human rights.  
Of course, the Second Amendment applies to all Americans. But is there really any doubt that guns are unabashedly, toxically masculine? Recent efforts by the National Rifle Association and gun manufacturers to market weapons to women haven’t done much to change this. Thirty-nine percent of men said they own a gun, in a recent Pew survey, compared with 22 percent of women. Of course,  Second Amendment rights have traditionally been a liberty fully enjoyed mostly by white men ― and the stats reflect this: 48 percent of those guys own a gun.
If a boy grows up in a house with guns, he’s far more likely to participate in gun-related activities, according to Pew. After all, from the time boys are able to walk, they are lured into loving guns ― they get Army men to play with, fashion pistols out of sticks, watch “cool men” shoot people in video games and on the big screen. Gun companies run advertisements, like this one from Bushmaster, that equate gun ownership with masculinity.
To grown men, guns are marketed as the ultimate safety device, allowing them to protect themselves and, this is crucial, their families ― wives and children ― from danger.
But we know the truth: Women are in greater danger when their partner has a gun. The risk of a woman being murdered in a domestic violence situation increases 500 percent when there’s a gun in the house, according to one study.
Women would be better protected with the help of the law, not a device meant to kill.
There was a big and fairly popular attempt to pass a measure appropriately called the Equal Rights Amendment for women back in the 1970s. The gist of the ERA is simple: “Equality under the law should not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state because of sex.” But in 1982, the amendment reached the deadline imposed on it by Congress. It fell just three states short of the 38 needed to ratify it to amend the Constitution.
While the ERA was initially popular, opponents of the amendment gained traction over the years its ratification was in play. They used arguments that now seem antiquated, such as that the ERA would mean women would go into combat (now they do), that it would make gay marriage legal (check) or that somehow women wouldn’t get a good deal out of marriage anymore (because of alimony).  
Others tried to argue we don’t need explicit equal rights under the Constitution because the law already provides women with equality. Tell that to Jessica Gonzales. Or to the female workers at Walmart who famously lost their fight for equal pay at the Supreme Court in 2011.
In Walmart v. Dukes, the high court ruled that the women did not have standing to sue because they didn’t have enough in common. The opinion was written by now-deceased Justice Antonin Scalia who had said earlier that year in an interview that women aren’t guaranteed protection from sex discrimination by the Constitution.
Indeed, even as so many more women are now speaking up in the Me Too era about sexual harassment and discrimination, the sad truth is Scalia wasn’t wrong: The path to justice in the court system for victims of harassment and discrimination is far from guaranteed.
This amendment is the only legal initiative expansive enough to support what the Me Too revelations have shown is needed.
Catharine MacKinnon, of the ERA Coalition advisory council
The legal framework that allows women to go after harassers in court is a patchwork. The federal anti-discrimination law, born of the civil rights era in the 1960s, does offer protection for women ― but there are loopholes.  If harassment takes place outside of work or school, there’s no avenue to pursue justice. And even if it happens at work or school, there are snags: Small businesses can’t be sued under the law; private schools aren’t covered.
Sure, there are states that do better, with stronger protections for women in place, just as some put more curbs on gun rights. But that’s no substitute for the force of federal law.
The ERA would arguably close those loopholes. (The ERA, if it passed, would be the first amendment since the 27th passed in 1992, setting stricter rules around pay for legislators.)
Women haven’t given up fighting for that protection: The ERA has been introduced in the House every year since 1982, most recently by Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.).
Last year the Nevada Legislature ― 35 years too late ― endorsed the ERA.  
Giving women equal rights is a popular and not even highly partisan concept. According to the ERA’s own polling, 80 percent of Americans think women already have equal rights under the Constitution. And 94 percent support the ERA.
“This amendment is the only legal initiative expansive enough to support what the Me Too revelations have shown is needed,” said Catharine MacKinnon, the legal scholar who first conceptualized the notion of sexual harassment in the courts and who sits on the advisory council of the current ERA Coalition.
“It’s the only thing big enough to capture what’s happening in this moment.”
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/12/2018, 12:23 pm

Well, hold on for just a gol'darned second.
Illegal immigrants do not commit crimes in this country - everyone knows that.
I believe that the author of this article should be forced to retract these statements, pursuant to current libel law.




https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/indianapolis-womens-march-gun_us_5aa66d11e4b01b9b0a3d2af5

Man Had ‘AR-15-Styled Rifle,’ Bump Stock Outside Indianapolis Hotel Before Women’s March: Report
Ahmed Alaklouk, 22, faces a federal gun charge for possessing a weapon while living in the U.S. illegally

A 22-year-old man living in the U.S. illegally has been charged with a federal crime after police in Indianapolis, Indiana, found him in possession of guns on two occasions in January, The Indianapolis Star reported Sunday.
Police responding to a Jan. 20 call from security at the Hyatt Regency hotel in downtown Indianapolis saw Ahmed Alaklouk was in possession of a firearm described by the Star as “an AR-15-styled rifle,” which he reportedly told police was “fully tricked out.”
Alaklouk, described as as a Tunisian native and Saudi Arabian citizen in federal court documents obtained by the Star, had been renting a room at the Hyatt when hotel security contacted the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department around 3 a.m. after they saw several weapons in his parked truck. There were six handguns in the backseat and an assault-style rifle in the front seat, according to the Star.
Police reportedly told Alaklouk to keep his firearms in a hotel safe and out of sight in his truck to avoid a potential break-in. Officers said the rifle had been modified to function like an AR-15 and was equipped with a scope, bipod and bump stock, reported the Star.
Federal law prohibits people in the U.S. illegally from possessing guns and ammunition, prompting federal prosecutors to file a federal gun charge against Alaklouk on Wednesday. U.S. Department of Homeland Security placed an immigration detainer in Marion County Jail for Alaklouk so he may be held in custody while federal agents obtain a warrant to begin deportation proceedings, the Star reported.
Hotel security reportedly contacted police a second time around 7:45 a.m. when they found Alaklouk’s rifle in the front seat of his truck again and were concerned about his hotel room overlooking the area where thousands of Women’s March participants were expected to gather hours later.
Police and hotel security then removed Alaklouk and two other unidentified men from the hotel, according to the Star.
AR-15-style rifles are often the weapon of choice for mass shooters, including the suspected gunman in last month’s deadly shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida.
Bump stocks are a type of gun modification that allow semi-automatic weapons to fire like automatic weapons. Stephen Paddock had outfitted his rifle with a bump stock, which enabled him to fire hundreds of rounds into a crowd of concertgoers at a music festival in Las Vegas last year.
The hotel’s general manager, Joe Pinto, confirmed the incident Monday in a statement emailed to HuffPost.
“At Hyatt Regency Indianapolis, the safety of our guests and colleagues is a top priority,” Pinto wrote. “On January 20, hotel security was alerted to firearms in a vehicle parked in the garage. The police department was in touch with the vehicle owner to notify him of the policy violation, which requires firearms to be unloaded and stored in a locked container, and the guest left the property soon after.”
A week later, police responded to another firearm-related incident involving Alaklouk roughly four miles west of the hotel. A woman called 911 after Alaklouk pointed his rifle at her and her father and threatened to kill them over a business disagreement at Alaklouk’s store, Medo Tire Shop, according to the Star.
Charges were filed against Alaklouk on behalf of the state on Jan. 31 in Marion Superior Court in Indianapolis. He is being charged with two felony counts of criminal confinement, two felony counts of intimidation, one felony count of unlawful possession of a firearm and a battery misdemeanor.
A representative for the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department confirmed Alaklouk was arrested, but did not provide additional comment. Jennifer Lukemeyer, Alaklouk’s attorney in the criminal case, declined to comment.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/16/2018, 1:30 pm

At least something that has a chance to work.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/nra-gun-violence-restraining-order-support-good-move/

The NRA Makes a Wise, Principled Decision to Support Gun-Violence Restraining Orders


By DAVID FRENCH
March 16, 2018 1:59 PM

By endorsing GVROs, the NRA supports a measure that can save lives and protect the Second Amendment.
On Wednesday, the executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action — the NRA’s lobbying arm — took to NRATV with a critical announcement. The NRA-ILA called on Congress to provide funding for states to adopt so-called “risk protection orders,” another term for the gun-violence restraining order that I discussed in this piece shortly after the Parkland school massacre. You can see the announcement below:

A gun-violence restraining order (GVRO) is a remarkably simple and precisely targeted remedy for two forms of gun violence — mass shootings and suicides. As Chris Cox explains, it allows a defined group of people (usually family members, school principals, employers) to petition a local court for an order temporarily removing guns from a person who’s made statements or exhibited behavior indicating they’re a threat to themselves or others.

To be constitutional, a GVRO should require that the petitioners (those seeking the order) come forward with admissible evidence, it should grant the gun owner a prompt hearing, and it should provide a right of appeal. The best GVRO statutes will be drafted with the help and cooperation of the NRA, which will ensure that the statutes aren’t overbroad and will minimize the chances of abuse.

The NRA is shifting its position on GVROs, and I’m seeing some grumbling on gun-rights websites and message boards. These complaints are misplaced. The NRA has made a wise, principled decision that will save lives while protecting individual liberty.

To understand why the shift was necessary, it’s important to remember three critical realities. First, while overall gun violence is down, mass shootings are on the rise. Second, time and again state and federal law-enforcement bureaucracies have failed to protect the public. And third, mass shooters (and suicidal individuals) typically exhibit troubling and dangerous behavior before they fire a single fatal shot.

Responding to the mass-shooting epidemic by demanding that the FBI or any other law-enforcement agency “do better” is necessary but demonstrably inadequate. Conservatives and libertarians should understand that seeking the solution to a national problem through better-performing bureaucracies is a fool’s errand. Those bureaucracies can improve, certainly, but dangerous people will always fall through the cracks.

Moreover, we also know that the preferred progressive responses — an assault-weapons ban, for example — would serve mainly to unconstitutionally restrict the self-defense options of millions of law-abiding citizens while putting only the smallest speed bump in the path of a determined mass killer. Such a ban would also do nothing to address gun suicides — the leading cause of gun death, by far.

The GVRO, by contrast, is evidence-based, individually targeted (mass seizures would be impossible), appealable, and empowering. Rather than calling a federal tip line or leaving matters in the hands of the often-overworked, sometimes-incompetent local police, a family can bring evidence to a courthouse and have guaranteed access to a local judge. That judge can have the power to force the police to act. But that power isn’t unchecked. The gun owner can contest the claims against him, and he should be able to appeal any adverse ruling.

In other words, the GVRO — properly drafted — is the essence of constitutional conservatism. It empowers families, it provides a precise, constitutional process, and it diminishes dependence on a vast, centralized federal authority.

Yesterday, while reading a series of outraged responses to the NRA’s shift, I came across a brilliant response from an anonymous commenter. It’s too long to paste here, but the essence was simple. If you’re concerned about confiscatory gun control, the real threat to the Second Amendment isn’t a measure like the GVRO, it’s the increase in mass shootings. Each shooting exacts a terrible toll in human life. Each shooting is a shock to our political system. It’s a shock that unites a nation in grief but also divides it in rage.

I don’t pretend that the GVRO will end mass shootings, but it will stop some. And if it can stop enough to slow or reverse the spread of this horrific contagion, then it will save lives and transform the gun debate. If there is one thing we know about gun violence, it comes from “predictable people.” It’s time to give those closest to these predictable people a powerful tool to protect themselves from terrible risk.

Keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous people while preserving the right to bear arms for the law-abiding is the essence of constitutional gun policy. In endorsing risk-protection orders, the NRA is serving its members, supporters, and the public well indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/17/2018, 3:32 am

The history of the Twentieth Century is clear: Marxists will forever simultaneously attack both Free Speech and the private ownership of firearms. As these weak murderous failures must seize control of both so as to implement their bloody utopian vision, where everyone is equally poor, disarmed, genderless free range tax cows.

Fortunately, the debate is over as thanks to genius millennial, Cody Wilson one can now mill an entire arsenal from the comfort of their own home via the Ghost Gunner II


Moreover, the continual incompetence of government again illustrated via the tragic events leading up to the Parkland, Florida shooting, no infringement upon the Natural Right to Self-Defense via firearms shall be tolerated.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/23/2018, 6:31 pm

cheers cheers cheers
Thousands Expected To Demand Gun Control At March For Our Lives Rally
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Washington is preparing for a massive rally in support of gun control, one that organizers hope will prove that the country has reached an emotional tipping point on gun violence, with teenagers seizing the initiative and leading the demand for change.

The nation’s capital is generally nonchalant about protests, but Saturday’s gathering has prompted more attention and speculation than usual.

Estimates on crowd size are notoriously unreliable but organizers are hoping to draw 500,000 protesters; that would match last year’s women’s march and make this one of the largest Washington protests since the Vietnam era. It would also bolster claims that the nation is ready to enact sweeping changes to its gun control laws. More than 800 other concurrent marches are planned in cities across America and dozens of locations overseas.

“I look at the younger kids and the future generations and I never want them to go through what we went through or see what we saw,” said 15-year old Kayla Renert, a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, where 17 people were killed on Feb. 14.

Renert, who sheltered in a classroom during the attack and had a friend wounded in the leg, was on a bus bringing her to Washington from the airport after flying up from Florida Friday morning. She pointed out that the Parkland shooting wasn’t even the most recent school shooting in the United States. One student was wounded and another later died from her wounds after being shot Tuesday in southern Maryland; the 17-year old gunman was also killed.

“We keep saying, ‘Oh this is going to be the last time.’ But there’s already been another time,” Renert said.

Many of the protesters spoke pointedly about how their parents and others of their generation had failed to bring about the changes they are demanding. They present the youth-led nature of the current movement as proof that they will succeed where their predecessors had failed.

“I’m here because previous generations couldn’t do what we’re doing right now,” said Charlie Shebes, 16, another student from the high school, on a flight from Ft. Lauderdale. “I want to see safer schools. I want to see changes in gun laws.”

The students have tapped into a powerful current of pro-gun control sentiment that has been building for years. They have also partnered with well-funded liberal groups such as Everytown for Gun Safety, the gun control advocacy group founded by former New York mayor and billionaire Michael Bloomberg.

Polls indicate that public opinion nationwide may indeed be shifting on an issue that has simmered for generations, and through dozens of mass shootings. A new poll conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, found that 69 percent of Americans think gun laws in the United States should be tightened. That’s up from 61 percent who said the same in October of 2016 and 55 percent when the AP first asked the question in October of 2013. Overall, 90 percent of Democrats, 50 percent of Republicans and 54 percent of gun owners now favor stricter gun control laws.

“To me, it feels like this is THE moment when it’s all going to change,” said Anne Tumlinson, who will be hosting about a half dozen high school demonstrators from Jacksonville in her Washington home. A grassroots campaign among Washington residents resulted in more than 1,500 Washingtonians offering their homes to underage out-of-town demonstrators.

But even with claims of historic social momentum on the issue of gun control, the AP poll also found that nearly half of Americans do not expect elected officials to take action. One of the questions facing march organizers and participants will be how to translate this one-day event, regardless of turnout, into meaningful legislative change.

One way is by channeling the current energy into mid-term congressional elections this fall. Students in Florida have focused on youth voter registration and there will be a registration booth at the Saturday rally.

“We’re pushing the message of now is the time for action but also November is going to be the time for action. It’s the time to make our voice heard when we’re voting,” said Alex Wind, a 17-year-old student from MSD. “We are the age of people that don’t vote normally. We’re going to change that.”
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/24/2018, 11:10 am

http://abcnews.go.com/US/parkland-school-shooting-survivor-march-lives-start-revolution/story?id=53981583

March for Our Lives will 'start a revolution,' Parkland school-shooting survivor says


By Mark Osborne
Mar 24, 2018, 7:31 AM ET

A student survivor of the mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida, who is helping to lead the March for Our Lives for gun control said today's protests in Washington, D.C., and around the country "are going to start a revolution."
"We are sick and tired of the inaction here in Washington and around the country" by politicians who are "owned by the NRA," David Hogg, a senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, said on "Good Morning America" this morning. "Today we are going to start a revolution."




Revolution?
What you are going to do is walk around in circles, carry poorly-crafted homemade signs, spout inane chants and useless platitudes, possibly wear pussy hats, return to your homes feeling smug and self-satisfied (all the while under the illusion that you have actually solved a problem), and leave a huge amount of litter and detritus in your wake, to be cleaned up by those who actually work for a living.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/24/2018, 12:30 pm

Trump Worshiping Gun Nutso wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/parkland-school-shooting-survivor-march-lives-start-revolution/story?id=53981583

March for Our Lives will 'start a revolution,' Parkland school-shooting survivor says


By Mark Osborne
Mar 24, 2018, 7:31 AM ET

A student survivor of the mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida, who is helping to lead the March for Our Lives for gun control said today's protests in Washington, D.C., and around the country "are going to start a revolution."
"We are sick and tired of the inaction here in Washington and around the country" by politicians who are "owned by the NRA," David Hogg, a senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, said on "Good Morning America" this morning. "Today we are going to start a revolution."




Revolution?
What you are going to do is walk around in circles, carry poorly-crafted homemade signs, spout inane chants and useless platitudes, possibly wear pussy hats, return to your homes feeling smug and self-satisfied (all the while under the illusion that you have actually solved a problem), and leave a huge amount of litter and detritus in your wake, to be cleaned up by those who actually work for a living.
Be scared and afraid,Jacqueline cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/24/2018, 2:15 pm

Artchel 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/parkland-school-shooting-survivor-march-lives-start-revolution/story?id=53981583

March for Our Lives will 'start a revolution,' Parkland school-shooting survivor says


By Mark Osborne
Mar 24, 2018, 7:31 AM ET

A student survivor of the mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida, who is helping to lead the March for Our Lives for gun control said today's protests in Washington, D.C., and around the country "are going to start a revolution."
"We are sick and tired of the inaction here in Washington and around the country" by politicians who are "owned by the NRA," David Hogg, a senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, said on "Good Morning America" this morning. "Today we are going to start a revolution."




Revolution?
What you are going to do is walk around in circles, carry poorly-crafted homemade signs, spout inane chants and useless platitudes, possibly wear pussy hats, return to your homes feeling smug and self-satisfied (all the while under the illusion that you have actually solved a problem), and leave a huge amount of litter and detritus in your wake, to be cleaned up by those who actually work for a living.
Be scared and afraid,Jacqueline cheers cheers cheers

I don't find any reason to be even mildly concerned, much less "scared and afraid", over something that is not going to change a damned thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/24/2018, 2:57 pm

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March for Our Lives will 'start a revolution,' Parkland school-shooting survivor says


By Mark Osborne
Mar 24, 2018, 7:31 AM ET

A student survivor of the mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida, who is helping to lead the March for Our Lives for gun control said today's protests in Washington, D.C., and around the country "are going to start a revolution."
"We are sick and tired of the inaction here in Washington and around the country" by politicians who are "owned by the NRA," David Hogg, a senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, said on "Good Morning America" this morning. "Today we are going to start a revolution."


Revolution?
What you are going to do is walk around in circles, carry poorly-crafted homemade signs, spout inane chants and useless platitudes, possibly wear pussy hats, return to your homes feeling smug and self-satisfied (all the while under the illusion that you have actually solved a problem), and leave a huge amount of litter and detritus in your wake, to be cleaned up by those who actually work for a living.
Be scared and afraid,Jacqueline cheers cheers cheers

I don't find any reason to be even mildly concerned, much less "scared and afraid", over something that is not going to change a damned thing.
Considering your track record of being wrong 100% of the time tells me things will change.  Oh,and btw dummy they already have. cheers

Your orange skinned hero Trump only wishes he could have had a crowd this big. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/24/2018, 3:33 pm

March Madness: Right-Wing Media Will Take Aim at Youth Opposed to Gun Violence
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They can’t help themselves.

If you’ve ever doubted the fundamental foolishness and ghoulishness of the American right, just watch—if you can bear it—the right’s reaction to today’s March for Our Lives. If you think the rhetorical assaults on anti-gun-violence American youth in the days leading up to this march were bad, as Bachman-Turner Overdrive famously put it, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

The sight of young people standing up against the NRA angers right-wingers almost as much as the sight of a black man in the White House. Just as the loathsome Laura Ingraham wanted LeBron James to shut up and dribble, so too do her right-wing media colleagues want these young adults to shut up and play video games. They couldn’t stand young people standing up against the Vietnam War fifty years ago. They couldn’t stand young people standing up against the Iraq War fifteen years ago. They can’t stand this march now.

Right-wingers brought this problem upon their own heads. They had a choice after the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan 37 years ago this month. They could have taken steps to ensure that firearms could be kept away from the mentally unbalanced. They could have recognized that their own political heroes were at risk due to easy access to firearms in this country. They chose to bow in subservience to the NRA, just as they chose to bow in subservience to Donald Trump.

Think about the fundamental stupidity of the right-wing’s scorn of these young Americans. These future leaders are trying to save lives—including the lives of right-wingers. The young people who will march today are, in the most accurate sense of the phrase, pro-life activists—yet it’s the right that seeks to abort their movement and silence their voices.

The right has been vile to young activists before. Back in 2007, then-MSNBC host Keith Olbermann described the right’s declaration of war against a 12-year-old advocate for health care protections:

In December 2004, Bonnie Frost‘s car, carrying three of her four kids, hit a patch of black ice, and then it hit a tree. Her son Graeme and her daughter Gemma spent months in the hospital. Because the Frosts earned less than $55,000 a year, the federal S-CHIP program helped with their bills. Graeme and Gemma got the care they needed.

Last month, Graeme asked President Bush to extend S-CHIP to other low-income and middle-class kids. The right wing responded by calling for Graeme to die…

S-CHIP currently covers six million children too poor for insurance but not poor enough for Medicaid. But a growing number of Americans, two out of five, are not covered by employer insurance; 47 million don‘t have any health insurance. That number is also up. The number of uninsured children increasing by 600,000 last year alone.

So Democrats want to expand S-CHIP to cover four million more kids. The cost: $7 billion a year. Enough Republicans agree that the Senate approved the expansion with a veto-proof majority. The House vote was about 20 short of veto-proof, so the president vetoed it. The House will try again on Thursday.

In the meantime, the right has targeted Graeme and his family. Rush Limbaugh and others spreading extraordinary, easily disproved lies that have been posted online anonymously about them, portraying them as rich and dishonest parasites. Senator Minority Leader Mitch McConnell‘s office is reportedly collecting those lies and disseminating them to the media. And a Bush staffer named Nicholas D. Thompson of the Office of Strategic Initiatives choosing a blog called RedState to post a defense of the president two days after the Baltimore Sun had revealed on its front page that another poster at the same blog had called for the public hanging of Graeme and his family.

By now, you’re probably familiar with the Maine Republican who called Emma Gonzalez, one of the courageous survivors of the perversity in Parkland, a “skinhead lesbian.” That fellow was motivated by the same hatred that motivated the right-wingers who attacked the Frost family. The American right knows nothing but hate, and knows nothing of love. So many of these right-wingers claim to be Christian, but there’s no doubt that if Jesus Christ proclaimed his solidarity with the young people marching today, right-wing media figures would tell him to go to hell.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/24/2018, 4:29 pm

Artchel 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Artchel 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/parkland-school-shooting-survivor-march-lives-start-revolution/story?id=53981583

March for Our Lives will 'start a revolution,' Parkland school-shooting survivor says


By Mark Osborne
Mar 24, 2018, 7:31 AM ET

A student survivor of the mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida, who is helping to lead the March for Our Lives for gun control said today's protests in Washington, D.C., and around the country "are going to start a revolution."
"We are sick and tired of the inaction here in Washington and around the country" by politicians who are "owned by the NRA," David Hogg, a senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, said on "Good Morning America" this morning. "Today we are going to start a revolution."


Revolution?
What you are going to do is walk around in circles, carry poorly-crafted homemade signs, spout inane chants and useless platitudes, possibly wear pussy hats, return to your homes feeling smug and self-satisfied (all the while under the illusion that you have actually solved a problem), and leave a huge amount of litter and detritus in your wake, to be cleaned up by those who actually work for a living.
Be scared and afraid,Jacqueline cheers cheers cheers

I don't find any reason to be even mildly concerned, much less "scared and afraid", over something that is not going to change a damned thing.
Considering your track record of being wrong 100% of the time tells me things will change.  Oh,and btw dummy they already have. cheers

Your orange skinned hero Trump only wishes he could have had a crowd this big. Laughing



I think I'm going to stick with what I wrote just a few hours ago:

happy jack wrote:
Revolution?
What you are going to do is walk around in circles, carry poorly-crafted homemade signs, spout inane chants and useless platitudes, possibly wear pussy hats, return to your homes feeling smug and self-satisfied (all the while under the illusion that you have actually solved a problem), and leave a huge amount of litter and detritus in your wake, to be cleaned up by those who actually work for a living.

If I end up being wrong, then wake me up when the "revolution" begins.
(And just a heads-up, Artchel - tomorrow is 'Palm' Sunday, so don't forget to grease it up good for your playdate with Jazz.
Also, make sure that Jazz's transition is complete before you start getting too frisky - I'd hate to see you go off half-cocked.)
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/24/2018, 8:44 pm

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/parkland-school-shooting-survivor-march-lives-start-revolution/story?id=53981583

March for Our Lives will 'start a revolution,' Parkland school-shooting survivor says


By Mark Osborne
Mar 24, 2018, 7:31 AM ET

A student survivor of the mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida, who is helping to lead the March for Our Lives for gun control said today's protests in Washington, D.C., and around the country "are going to start a revolution."
"We are sick and tired of the inaction here in Washington and around the country" by politicians who are "owned by the NRA," David Hogg, a senior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, said on "Good Morning America" this morning. "Today we are going to start a revolution."


Revolution?
What you are going to do is walk around in circles, carry poorly-crafted homemade signs, spout inane chants and useless platitudes, possibly wear pussy hats, return to your homes feeling smug and self-satisfied (all the while under the illusion that you have actually solved a problem), and leave a huge amount of litter and detritus in your wake, to be cleaned up by those who actually work for a living.
Be scared and afraid,Jacqueline cheers cheers cheers

I don't find any reason to be even mildly concerned, much less "scared and afraid", over something that is not going to change a damned thing.
Considering your track record of being wrong 100% of the time tells me things will change.  Oh,and btw dummy they already have. cheers

Your orange skinned hero Trump only wishes he could have had a crowd this big. Laughing

I think I'm going to stick with what I wrote just a few hours ago:

We can always count on you to stick with stupid,that's for sure.

'Vote them out!' - Thousands register to vote at U.S. gun-control marches
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Voter registration activists fanned out among young Americans who marched for tighter gun laws on Saturday, signing up thousands of first-time voters who vowed to eject lawmakers who oppose gun controls.
Shooting survivors Tyra Hemans (center, L) and Emma Gonzalez (center, R), from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, hug as Hemans addresses the conclusion of the "March for Our Lives" event demanding gun control after recent school shootings at a rally in Washington, U.S., March 24, 2018. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

With mid-term Congressional elections eight months away, the activists flocked to some 800 marches across the country to enroll young voters likely to back Democratic and independent candidates who tend to favour tougher firearms laws.

In Washington, volunteers for the HeadCount voter-registration effort raised their fists and chanted “demonstration without registration leads to frustration” before heading out with clipboards to sign up some of the nation’s newest voters.

“Parkland’s Emma Gonzalez called for more Americans to vote and that is why Headcount is here today,” volunteer Aaron Ghitelman, 26, said of the student who along with classmates forged a national, youth gun control movement following the Feb. 14 massacre at her high school in Parkland, Florida.

Hugh Williams from Ypsilanti, Michigan, was among many 18-year-olds who answered her call.

“The more I see people marching and standing up for a cause I believe in, I want my voice to matter, too,” he said at the Washington march, adding that gun violence was a menace in his community.

A student survivor of the Parkland massacre had a simple message for lawmakers.

“If there is no assault weapons ban passed, then we will vote them out,” Delaney Tarr, a senior at the school, told marchers in Washington.

Organizers of the registration drive hoped to sign up at least 25,000 people on Saturday, a potential boost for Democrats who back stronger controls on assault-style weapons, bump stocks that let semiautomatic rifles fire like automatic weapons, and tighter access to guns for young people and the mentally ill.

By 8:30 p.m. ET (0030 GMT) they had signed up 4,000 nationwide, with the number climbing as groups across the country reported.

At a rally in Chicago, 17-year-old Kara Sharp from Island Lake, Illinois, carried a sign reading “Protect students not guns - 2020 Voter” after travelling to the event with her father, a 53-year-old machinist.

Volunteers from a local chapter of lobbying group Indivisible435, which backs progressive political candidates, told her how to register to vote once she got home, as she did not have her driver’s licence with her.

“It’s time to disarm hate. I’ll be looking at NRA ratings of politicians and also how they treat LGBQ issues,” said Sharp, a junior at Wauconda High School, referring to the grade the National Rife Association gives members of the U.S. Congress for their voting record on gun rights.
‘TOOLS TO MAKE A CHANGE’

Participation in U.S. elections by young voters is often low. Registration activists are targeting the four million Americans turning 18 this year, as well as many 19- to 21-year-olds who have never voted.

In Parkland, Florida, Sari Kaufman was among students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School — where the mass shooting took place — who urged peers to get involved in politics, register to vote and turf out lawmakers who did not protect them.

“With this movement, we will ensure record-breaking turnout not just in the next presidential election, not in the next midterm election, but in all elections,” Kaufman told a crowd of thousands at a rally in Parkland.

“We’re here today to give you the tools to make a change.”
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/24/2018, 9:36 pm

I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
And we're just the guys to do it.
Let's do it.
Bluto: LET'S DO IT!!


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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/25/2018, 5:24 pm

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[i]I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
And we're just the guys to do it.
Let's do it.

From the Department of How can I inspire even more people to speak out in favor of gun control....

Rick Santorum says students should take CPR classes instead of pushing gun control

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Former Pennsylvania GOP Sen. Rick Santorum on Sunday suggested students protesting for gun control legislation would be better served by taking CPR classes and preparing for active shooter scenarios.

"How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that," Santorum said on CNN's "State of the Union."
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/26/2018, 10:38 am

Artchel 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
And we're just the guys to do it.
Let's do it.

From the Department of How can I inspire even more people to speak out in favor of gun control....

You made an itty-bitty protest sign for Jazz to hold, didn't you?
C'mon - admit it.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/26/2018, 3:56 pm

happy jack wrote:
Artchel 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
And we're just the guys to do it.
Let's do it.

From the Department of How can I inspire even more people to speak out in favor of gun control....

You made an itty-bitty protest sign for Jazz to hold, didn't you?
C'mon - admit it.
Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
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All that's missing is a photo of him wearing a MAGA hat.

Speaking of clothing: what color did you dress Jazz in today?
The same color panties you and your kids are wearing.

And that excites you most vigorously, does it not?
Facts are the facts. Sleep

You are correct - facts are facts.
And I find the "fact" that the color of my underwear excites you to be quite intriguing.
You have finally admitted you wear panties. Congratulations on finally coming out. cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/26/2018, 6:16 pm

Artchel 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Artchel 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
And we're just the guys to do it.
Let's do it.

From the Department of How can I inspire even more people to speak out in favor of gun control....

You made an itty-bitty protest sign for Jazz to hold, didn't you?
C'mon - admit it.
Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
Trump Worshiping Cross Dresser wrote:
Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
Trump Worshiping Troll wrote:
Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
Trump Worshiper Admits He's a Crossdresser wrote:
Artie Wins Again wrote:
 
All that's missing is a photo of him wearing a MAGA hat.

Speaking of clothing: what color did you dress Jazz in today?
The same color panties you and your kids are wearing.

And that excites you most vigorously, does it not?
Facts are the facts. Sleep

You are correct - facts are facts.
And I find the "fact" that the color of my underwear excites you to be quite intriguing.
You have finally admitted you wear panties. Congratulations on finally coming out. cyclops

If obsessing over my penis hasn't been enough for you, and you feel the need to hold on to the false illusion that I wear panties, then knock yourself out.
Your fantasy life is nobody's business but your own.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/26/2018, 7:41 pm

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Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
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Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
Trump Worshiper Admits He's a Crossdresser wrote:
Artie Wins Again wrote:
 
All that's missing is a photo of him wearing a MAGA hat.

Speaking of clothing: what color did you dress Jazz in today?
The same color panties you and your kids are wearing.

And that excites you most vigorously, does it not?
Facts are the facts. Sleep

You are correct - facts are facts.
And I find the "fact" that the color of my underwear excites you to be quite intriguing.
You have finally admitted you wear panties. Congratulations on finally coming out. cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/27/2018, 9:32 am

Artie60438 wrote:
Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
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Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
Trump Worshiping Troll wrote:
Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
Trump Worshiper Admits He's a Crossdresser wrote:
Artie Wins Again wrote:
 
All that's missing is a photo of him wearing a MAGA hat.

Speaking of clothing: what color did you dress Jazz in today?
The same color panties you and your kids are wearing.

And that excites you most vigorously, does it not?
Facts are the facts. Sleep

You are correct - facts are facts.
And I find the "fact" that the color of my underwear excites you to be quite intriguing.
You have finally admitted you wear panties. Congratulations on finally coming out. cyclops

As I said - your fantasies are no one's business but your own.
What I do find somewhat disturbing, however, is that I am the object of so many of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/27/2018, 9:48 am

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Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
Trump Worshiping Troll wrote:
Artie Proves Happy Jack is a Crossdresser wrote:
Trump Worshiper Admits He's a Crossdresser wrote:
Artie Wins Again wrote:
 
All that's missing is a photo of him wearing a MAGA hat.

Speaking of clothing: what color did you dress Jazz in today?
The same color panties you and your kids are wearing.

And that excites you most vigorously, does it not?
Facts are the facts. Sleep

You are correct - facts are facts.
And I find the "fact" that the color of my underwear excites you to be quite intriguing.
You have finally admitted you wear panties. Congratulations on finally coming out. cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/27/2018, 11:23 am

Considering the general ignorance regarding guns that has been displayed in this thread, I would hope that some of the participants take the time to read and digest this article.
You might learn something.
(I am not employing the word 'ignorance', in this case, as a disparaging term, but some of the things that have been posted here have just been so wrong that it is apparent that the posters, rather than having some sort of agenda, actually do not know what they are talking about. There is no shame in asking the right questions in order to get the right answers. All it takes is the humility to add to one's vocabulary one very simple phrase - 'I don't know.').


https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/in-defense-of-gunsplaining/

In Defense of ‘Gunsplaining’

By David French

March 26, 2018 3:19 PM

Ignorance is the gun-control movement’s Achilles heel.

It’s become popular on the left — thanks in part to a widely-shared Washington Post op-ed by Adam Weinstein — to scorn so-called “gunsplaining.” Weinstein defines the term as the habit of gun-rights advocates to “bully” gun-control supporters with technical jargon. Think the “AR” in AR-15 stands for “assault rifle”? Then you’re too dumb to talk about gun policy. Did you confuse a magazine and a clip? Then you’re too ignorant to talk about background checks.
There’s a kernel of truth in Weinstein’s critique. There are gun-rights supporters who revel in jargon and belittle those with inferior knowledge, but the problem of “gunsplaining” pales in comparison to the mass-scale ignorance of the gun-control movement and — critically — the mainstream media. It’s an ignorance that contributes to bad policy proposals and threatens constitutional rights. It’s an ignorance that has the potential to empower criminals while rendering law-abiding citizens more vulnerable to foreseeable threats.
This ignorance manifests itself in multiple ways. First, it’s common to see activists and marchers consistently say things that just aren’t true. You could see examples of this all over the March for Our Lives this weekend. Signs said ridiculous things like, “It was harder to buy this poster board than an AR-15” and “I want to live in a world where guns are harder to get than Hamilton tickets.” People routinely pretended that gun sales are virtually unregulated or that even “machine guns” are somehow easy to purchase.
Second, they’ll advocate “solutions” that won’t make a dime’s worth of difference to mass shootings or to gun violence more broadly. Our nation’s gun-violence problem is highly concentrated in a small percentage of the American population: people with prior criminal records who largely obtain and possess their guns unlawfully. Even if you focus on mass shootings — as a famous Washington Post fact-check noted — various “common sense” gun-control proposals would not have prevented a single modern massacre.
Third, the proposed solutions betray an extraordinary ignorance of the realities of gun ownership. Let’s take, for example, the common proposal to ban “high-capacity magazines.” That’s often defined to mean any magazine capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition. In reality, though, a ban on ten-round magazines is a ban on the standard-capacity magazine in tens of millions of guns that Americans use for self-defense. I often carry a Ruger SR9, and it came with a 17-round magazine. Dozens of other popular guns also come with magazines of similar sizes. Police carry guns with similar magazines, and — critically — criminals often do as well.
Activists can play funny games with language. The phrase “high-capacity magazine” implies something unusual, something you don’t normally see — like, say, a drum magazine on an AR-15. In reality, given the definition, they’re purporting to ban the norm. They’re telling law-abiding citizens that they should have less firepower than the very criminals who present the reasonably foreseeable threat.
Current gun-control proposals can sound interesting and compelling — until you hear that they’re likely ineffective, or especially if you hear that they would burden your own right of self-defense.
And why should law-abiding Americans have less firepower than criminals? Because — and this is where the gun-control movement truly loses its authority — they say we don’t “need” anything more than ten rounds to defend ourselves. That’s right, the very people who time and again demonstrate their profound ignorance about firearms purport to tell law-abiding, gun-owning American citizens — who possess far superior knowledge — exactly what they “need” to keep their families safe. It’s extraordinary. I’d rather take my self-defense advice from actual experts than from politicians and activists who don’t know what they’re talking about.
In an insightful piece for the New York Times today, Margot Sanger-Katz writes that “Political consultants who have worked on ballot measures say that it can often be easy for opponents of gun laws to chip away at very strong initial public support for a given policy.” She talked to David Farmer, who helped lead a failed Maine effort to impose universal background checks. He attributed the loss to gun owners’ ability to persuade:
“We know for a fact we lost the argument at the kitchen table and the bar and the bowling alley,” he said. “The gun enthusiasts were talking to their friends and relatives and neighbors. They felt about it in a way that was so passionate that they won those one-on-one encounters, and they were very successful in bringing in people to their side.”
Gun-owners aren’t just enthusiastic, they’re informed. Current gun-control proposals can sound interesting and compelling — until you hear that they’re likely ineffective, or especially if you hear that they would burden your own right of self-defense.
The media’s persistent and enduring gun ignorance is mystifying — as is its seeming willingness to actively mock or scorn actual expertise. Imagine if pro-life citizens wanted to limit abortions by banning or heavily regulating the instruments used to kill unborn children. Would counter-arguments that the regulations would adversely affect other, life-saving procedures be scorned as “devicesplaining”?
One gets the impression that all too many members of the media and all too many activists don’t want to know anything more about guns. They’ve made the decision they need to make — guns are bad — and the rest is a distraction. To them, the gun-control argument isn’t a technical argument at all. It’s fundamentally a moral argument, and in this moral argument the actual effectiveness of any given law is less important than its intent — or at least its ability in some way to chip away at American gun culture.
Yet Americans don’t give away their freedoms so willingly. And they’re especially unwilling to limit their liberties in response to arguments based in ignorance, sprinkled with condescension and moral superiority. So law-abiding gun-owners respond by “gunsplaining,” and they find that when they gunsplain, they tend to win. Ignorance is a plague, and the gun-rights community is eager to provide the cure.
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