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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/16/2018, 12:23 pm

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Advocate for the Exposure of Trump Worshipers who help facilitate Mass Murder 60438 wrote:
 
Such as those similar to AR-15s. You support the sale of those too,right?

You will need to specify which firearms you consider to be "similar to AR-15s.".
Nope,not going down that rabbit hole. You know perfectly well which military assault weapons we're talking about. Sleep



Advocate for the Exposure of Trump Worshipers who help facilitate Mass Murder 60438 wrote:
     
If "ordinary hunting rifles" have identical features then why do mass murders rely on AR-15s and similar military assault rifles.
Trump Worshiper who helps facilitate Mass Murder wrote:
I don't know. Perhaps it is because the AR-15 is glamorized, fetishized, and personified by major media as the epitome of all things evil.
Or maybe because it seems to be the weapon of choice these days.
Small handed gun nut with even smaller pee pee wrote:
What I do know for sure about the AR-15 is that the mere mention of it provokes in you the same reaction you would have if someone dripped hot wax on your clitoris
Whatever you say,Tiny
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/16/2018, 1:32 pm

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
 
Such as those similar to AR-15s. You support the sale of those too,right?

You will need to specify which firearms you consider to be "similar to AR-15s.".
Nope,not going down that rabbit hole. You know perfectly well which military assault weapons we're talking about. Sleep  

Believe me - I'm steering clear of the rabbit hole, the one in which you demand to know whether I support the sale of weapons "similar" to the AR-15, because if I say that I do, you will claim, in all of your glorious and well-documented dishonesty, something to the effect that, since a grenade-launcher and an AR-15 both fire projectiles, they are similar, and I will be accused of being in favor of the sale of grenade launchers, or some such nonsense. We both know that that is how the conversation would end up.
So, if you wish to know whether I am in favor of the sale of a specific firearm, then ask that question.
Otherwise, no dice.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/16/2018, 2:25 pm

Trump Worshiper who helps facilitate Mass Murder wrote:
Advocate for the Exposure of Trump Worshipers who help facilitate Mass Murder 60438 wrote:
Trump Worshiper who helps facilitate Mass Murder wrote:
Advocate for the Exposure of Trump Worshipers who help facilitate Mass Murder 60438 wrote:
 
Such as those similar to AR-15s. You support the sale of those too,right?

You will need to specify which firearms you consider to be "similar to AR-15s.".
Nope,not going down that rabbit hole. You know perfectly well which military assault weapons we're talking about. Sleep  

Believe me - I'm steering clear of the rabbit hole, the one in which you demand to know whether I support the sale of weapons "similar" to the AR-15, because if I say that I do, you will claim, in all of your glorious and well-documented dishonesty, something to the effect that, since a grenade-launcher and an AR-15 both fire projectiles, they are similar, and I will be accused of being in favor of the sale of grenade launchers, or some such nonsense. We both know that that is how the conversation would end up.
So, if you wish to know whether I am in favor of the sale of a specific firearm, then ask that question.
Otherwise, no dice.

Let's just agree that you fully support the sale of weapons that mass murderers prefer when they gun down innocent,defenseless, school children,and leave it at that.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/16/2018, 6:34 pm

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
   Let's just agree that you fully support the sale of weapons that mass murderers prefer when they gun down innocent,defenseless, school children,and leave it at that.

This quote is old, but it bears repeating:

http://www.firearms.org/?p=1

You know, there are two kinds of animals in this world: predators, and prey.
No one watches a leopard chase down a gazelle and denies that the gazelle has a right to use it’s hooves and horns to protect itself from the predator. But there are people in this room tonight, and across the country, who would deny that same right to self-defense to other human beings. Such people seem to think that the way to stop the leopard is to cut the horns off of the gazelle – that by somehow making it easier for the predator, the predator will somehow go away. This is insane. When you make it easier for the predator – you get more predators.


So let's just agree that I fully support the right of any law-abiding citizen to own whatever legal product he and/or she chooses to own in the furtherance of his and/or her right to defend themselves and their families.
And let's just agree that when you sanctimoniously employ the terms "innocent" and "defenseless" that it is your policy or policies which will ensure that the "innocent" remain "defenseless".
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/16/2018, 7:01 pm

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
     
If "ordinary hunting rifles" have identical features then why do mass murders rely on AR-15s and similar military assault rifles.

happy jack wrote:
I don't know. Perhaps it is because the AR-15 is glamorized, fetishized, and personified by major media as the epitome of all things evil.

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
Or maybe because it seems to be the weapon of choice these days.

happy jack wrote:
Yes, it seems to be the weapon of choice these days because it has been "glamorized, fetishized, and personified by major media as the epitome of all things evil." Had you been paying attention, you would have recognized the redundancy of your last statement.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/16/2018, 7:26 pm

Trump Worshiper who helps facilitate Mass Murder wrote:
Advocate for the Exposure of Trump Worshipers who help facilitate Mass Murder wrote:
   Let's just agree that you fully support the sale of weapons that mass murderers prefer when they gun down innocent,defenseless, school children,and leave it at that.

And let's just agree that when you sanctimoniously employ the terms "innocent" and "defenseless" that it is your policy or policies which will ensure that the "innocent" remain "defenseless".
The victims were innocent and they were defenseless. Oh,and btw,the school had a "good guy with a gun" on duty at the time of the massacre. So there goes another one of your dumb as a box of rocks NRA fairy tales down the drain.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/16/2018, 8:03 pm

   
Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
Let's just agree that you fully support the sale of weapons that mass murderers prefer when they gun down innocent,defenseless, school children,and leave it at that.


And let's just agree that when you sanctimoniously employ the terms "innocent" and "defenseless" that it is your policy or policies which will ensure that the "innocent" remain "defenseless".



The victims were innocent and they were defenseless.

The sentiment in the oversized lettering above is quite possibly the only factual statement I have ever seen you type with your masturbatorily gnarled hands.

Good job!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/17/2018, 7:27 am

It is refreshing to see that someone besides myself understands that an inanimate gun cannot kill someone unless an animate person pulls the trigger. If more people could grasp that concept (pay attention, libs), then some sort of progress might be made in preventing some of these occurrences.



http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456510/gun-control-republicans-consider-grvo

A Gun-Control Measure Conservatives Should Consider

by DAVID FRENCH February 16, 2018 4:02 PM @DAVIDAFRENCH

Gun-violence restraining orders (GVROs) make us all safer while empowering the individual and protecting liberty. To understand the American gun-control debate, you have to understand the fundamentally different starting positions of the two sides. Among conservatives, there is the broad belief that the right to own a weapon for self-defense is every bit as inherent and unalienable as the right to speak freely or practice your religion. It’s a co-equal liberty in the Bill of Rights, grounded not just in the minds of the Founders but in natural law. Against this backdrop, most forms of gun control proposed after each mass killing represent a collective punishment. The rights of the law-abiding are restricted with no real evidence that these alleged “common sense” reforms will prevent future tragedies in any meaningful way. Many progressives, however, simply don’t care about restrictions on gun ownership. They don’t view it as an individual right, much less an unalienable one. To them, the Second Amendment is an embarrassment, an American quirk that should be limited and confined as much as possible. To them, gun ownership is a privilege, not a right, and can be heavily regulated and restricted without doing any violence at all to individual liberty. To describe these differences is not to say that the two sides never meet. Putting aside the relatively meaningless polls about various gun-control measures — the polls that truly matter are at the ballot box, and there the results are very clear and very distinct for both red and blue — there is broad conceptual agreement that regardless of whether you view gun ownership as a right or a privilege, a person can demonstrate through their conduct that they have no business possessing a weapon. Felons, the dangerously mentally ill, perpetrators of domestic violence — these people have not only demonstrated their unfitness to own a weapon, they’ve been granted due process to contest the charges or claims against them. There is no arbitrary state action. There is no collective punishment. There is, rather, an individual, constitutional state process, and the result of that process is a set of defined consequences that includes revoking the right to gun ownership.   Now, let’s back up for a moment and apply this reasoning to our contagion of mass shootings. Time and again mass shooters give off warning signals. They issue generalized threats. They post disturbing images. They exhibit fascination with mass killings. But before the deadly act itself, there is no clear path to denying them access to guns. Though people can report their concerns to authorities, sometimes those authorities fail or have limited tools to deal with the emerging danger. What if, however, there was an evidence-based process for temporarily denying a troubled person access to guns? What if this process empowered family members and others close to a potential shooter, allowing them to “do something” after they “see something” and “say something”? I’ve written that the best line of defense against mass shootings is an empowered, vigilant citizenry. There is a method that has the potential to empower citizens even more, when it’s carefully and properly implemented. It’s called a gun-violence restraining order, or GVRO. While there are various versions of these laws working their way through the states (California passed a GVRO statute in 2014, and it went into effect in 2016), broadly speaking they permit a spouse, parent, sibling, or person living with a troubled individual to petition a court for an order enabling law enforcement to temporarily take that individual’s guns right away. A well-crafted GVRO should contain the following elements (“petitioners” are those who seek the order, “the respondent” is its subject): It should limit those who have standing to seek the order to a narrowly defined class of people (close relatives, those living with the respondent); It should require petitioners to come forward with clear, convincing, admissible evidence that the respondent is a significant danger to himself or others; It should grant the respondent an opportunity to contest the claims against him; In the event of an emergency, ex parte order (an order granted before the respondent can contest the claims), a full hearing should be scheduled quickly — preferably within 72 hours; and The order should lapse after a defined period of time unless petitioners can come forward with clear and convincing evidence that it should remain in place. The concept of the GVRO is simple, not substantially different from the restraining orders that are common in family law, and far easier to explain to the public than our nation’s mental-health adjudications. Moreover, the requirement that the order come from people close to the respondent and that they come forward with real evidence (e.g. sworn statements, screenshots of social-media posts, copies of journal entries) minimizes the chance of bad-faith claims. The great benefit of the GVRO is that it provides citizens with options other than relying on, say, the FBI. As the bureau admitted today, it did not respond appropriately to a timely warning from a “person close to Nikolas Cruz.” According the FBI, that person provided “information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.” In other words, it appears the FBI received exactly the kind of information that would justify granting a GVRO. Just since 2015, the Charleston church shooter, the Orlando nightclub shooter, the Sutherland Springs church shooter, and the Parkland school shooter each happened after federal authorities missed chances to stop them. For those keeping score, that’s four horrific mass shootings in four years where federal systems failed, at a cost of more than 100 lives. In other words, proper application of existing policies and procedures could have saved lives, but the people in the federal government failed. And they keep failing. So let’s empower different people. Let’s empower the people who have the most to lose, and let’s place accountability on the lowest possible level of government: the local judges who consistently and regularly adjudicate similar claims in the context of family and criminal law. The GVRO is consistent with and recognizes both the inherent right of self-defense and the inherent right of due process. It is not collective punishment. It is precisely targeted. Advocates for GVROs have been mostly clustered on the left, but there is nothing inherently leftist about the concept. After all, the GVRO is consistent with and recognizes both the inherent right of self-defense and the inherent right of due process. It is not collective punishment. It is precisely targeted. As I wrote the night of the Parkland shooting, a vigilant citizenry is a far better defense against a mass shooting than the sweeping, allegedly “common sense” gun-control measures debated after every massacre. But when individual citizens are vigilant and individual government officials are not, then it’s time to consider different measures. It’s time to consider rearranging the balance of power. I don’t pretend that a GVRO is the solution to mass killings. There is no “solution.” It’s a tool, one among many. In 2016 California courts granted 86 restraining orders. Most of them applied for a mere 21 days. In ten instances those orders were extended for a year. Until I’m persuaded otherwise (and I look forward to the conversation), I’ll believe that a restraining order can give a family the power federal incompetence has taken away — the power to save lives.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/17/2018, 7:49 am

I'm keeping my ears open for any liberals who might begin complaining that children or teachers may have been (gasp!!!!) praying in school during one of these horrific events.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/20/2018, 10:29 am

Artie:
Have you considered applying for a job writing for thinkprogess?
Looks like all you need is a computer and a healthy dose of blatant dishonesty, both of which you have.
You already twist and misrepresent facts on a daily basis - how sweet would it be for you to get paid for it?
It's your dream job - go for it!!!!




https://thinkprogress.org/nra-cruz-donation-marksmanship-c7f68d54a25f/

The NRA donated $10,000 to help train the Parkland shooting suspect to use a rifle
He practiced on indoor ranges shooting at targets the size of coin.
Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old who charged with murdering 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, honed his marksmanship skills in a school program supported by the NRA. Cruz was, according to the Associated Press, a member of the school’s four-person varsity marksmanship team, which received a $10,000 grant from the NRA in 2016.

MSD JROTC Marksmanship team would like to thank the NRA for their grateful donation of nearly $10,000 to upgrade and replenish equipment! pic.twitter.com/HhBwHIMl1n
— MSDJROTC (@MSDJROTC1) September 21, 2016

The marksmanship team was part of the schools’ JROTC program. On the team, Cruz trained with “air rifles special-made for target shooting, typically on indoor ranges at targets the size of a coin.”
Cruz discussed his AR-15 with other team members and was given the nickname “Wolf.” Another member of the team described him as “a very good shot.”
The NRA declined to comment on the donation. In 2015, the NRA Foundation gave $2.2 million in similar grants promoting gun use to schools around the country. This includes grants “to elementary and middle schools.”
The NRA Foundation’s website says it’s “investing in the next generation of America’s leaders” by devoting “a significant majority” of the group’s grants to “youth shooting sports.”

NRA Foundation Website
The NRA Foundation operates the Friends of the NRA program, which raises money for youth shooting sports as a way of recruiting young activists to fight gun regulation.

Friends of the NRA describes itself as “a 100% grassroots effort fueled by a united front to secure the Second Amendment and raise money for the shooting sports.”
The NRA has been actively commenting on the Parkland massacre on social media, arguing that the only way to prevent future tragedies is more guns.








https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/17/double-amputee-staff-sargent-joey-jones-obliterates-thinkprogress-attempt-at-smearing-jrotc-programs/

Double amputee Staff Sergeant Joey Jones OBLITERATES ThinkProgress’ attempt at smearing JROTC programs

On Friday, ThinkProgress posted an article trying to smear JROTC programs because the NRA donated money to the ROTC program that thought Nikolas Cruz how to shoot.
Staff Sergeant Joey Jones, who served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan as an Explosive Ordnance Disposal (bomb) Technician, was quick to refute the liberal outlet’s claims.
There are so many men and women who start out in ROTC who eventually move on to serve our country honorably. They’re willing to risk their lives and even die for our freedom. ONE person took advantage of the program. That doesn’t mean the pros suddenly outweigh the cons.
Thank you for your service, Larry, and thank you for training other brave souls.
These are the people who TRULY want to serve others.


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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/20/2018, 4:07 pm

I support the sale of guns used to Mass Murder Children wrote wrote:
Artie:
Have you considered applying for a job writing for thinkprogess?
Looks like all you need is a computer and a healthy dose of blatant dishonesty, both of which you have.
You already twist and misrepresent facts on a daily basis - how sweet would it be for you to get paid for it?
It's your dream job - go for it!!!!

https://thinkprogress.org/nra-cruz-donation-marksmanship-c7f68d54a25f/

The NRA donated $10,000 to help train the Parkland shooting suspect to use a rifle
He practiced on indoor ranges shooting at targets the size of coin.
Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old who charged with murdering 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, honed his marksmanship skills in a school program supported by the NRA. Cruz was, according to the Associated Press, a member of the school’s four-person varsity marksmanship team, which received a $10,000 grant from the NRA in 2016.

MSD JROTC Marksmanship team would like to thank the NRA for their grateful donation of nearly $10,000 to upgrade and replenish equipment! pic.twitter.com/HhBwHIMl1n
— MSDJROTC (@MSDJROTC1) September 21, 2016

The marksmanship team was part of the schools’ JROTC program. On the team, Cruz trained with “air rifles special-made for target shooting, typically on indoor ranges at targets the size of a coin.”
Cruz discussed his AR-15 with other team members and was given the nickname “Wolf.” Another member of the team described him as “a very good shot.”
The NRA declined to comment on the donation. In 2015, the NRA Foundation gave $2.2 million in similar grants promoting gun use to schools around the country. This includes grants “to elementary and middle schools.”
The NRA Foundation’s website says it’s “investing in the next generation of America’s leaders” by devoting “a significant majority” of the group’s grants to “youth shooting sports.”

NRA Foundation Website
The NRA Foundation operates the Friends of the NRA program, which raises money for youth shooting sports as a way of recruiting young activists to fight gun regulation.

Friends of the NRA describes itself as “a 100% grassroots effort fueled by a united front to secure the Second Amendment and raise money for the shooting sports.”
The NRA has been actively commenting on the Parkland massacre on social media, arguing that the only way to prevent future tragedies is more guns.


https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/17/double-amputee-staff-sargent-joey-jones-obliterates-thinkprogress-attempt-at-smearing-jrotc-programs/

Double amputee Staff Sergeant Joey Jones OBLITERATES ThinkProgress’ attempt at smearing JROTC programs

On Friday, ThinkProgress posted an article trying to smear JROTC programs because the NRA donated money to the ROTC program that thought Nikolas Cruz how to shoot.
Staff Sergeant Joey Jones, who served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan as an Explosive Ordnance Disposal (bomb) Technician, was quick to refute the liberal outlet’s claims.
There are so many men and women who start out in ROTC who eventually move on to serve our country honorably. They’re willing to risk their lives and even die for our freedom. ONE person took advantage of the program. That doesn’t mean the pros suddenly outweigh the cons.
Thank you for your service, Larry, and thank you for training other brave souls.
These are the people who TRULY want to serve others.

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Wow..."Twitchy.com" is your source now?
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Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old who charged with murdering 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High, honed his marksmanship skills in a school program supported by the NRA.
True!
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MSD JROTC Marksmanship team would like to thank the NRA for their grateful donation of nearly $10,000 to upgrade and replenish equipment! pic.twitter.com/HhBwHIMl1n

   — MSDJROTC (@MSDJROTC1) September 21, 2016
The school thanks the NRA for their donation
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The NRA declined to comment on the donation.
Hmmm..I wonder why Question
Our idiot Trump Worshiper who fully supports the sale of guns used to Mass Murder Children points to some guy that clearly admits
Joey Jones wrote:
ONE person took advantage of the program.
that the killer did indeed take part in the program that the NRA funded. Shocked

Now who's the dishonest one?

As always thanks for the laugh.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/23/2018, 10:08 am

cheers cheers cheers
Three major car rental companies dump the NRA
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The backlash is growing.

A major car rental conglomerate which operates three prominent national brands is ending its corporate relationship with the National Rifle Association, as backlash grows in the wake of the Parkland mass shooting.

Until Thursday, Enterprise Holdings, which operates Enterprise, Alamo, and National, had a partnership with the NRA to provide discounts to members of the gun lobby. The discounts were available to NRA members once they paid the $40 annual fee, and the companies were among the 22 corporations offering discounts and “five star savings” to the gun lobby’s members.

On Thursday, however, all three brands announced that they would be ending the program on March 26.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/23/2018, 8:43 pm

http://www.newsweek.com/michael-moore-charges-nra-terrorist-organization-817852

THE NRA IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, MICHAEL MOORE SAYS


BY TRACY LEE ON 2/23/18 AT 10:41 AM


As the national conversation on gun control heats up with both sides attempting to rally lawmakers, filmmaker and political activist Michael Moore made his own waves. Often outspoken, Moore called the National Rifle Association a terrorist organization.

“The NRA is a terrorist organization. The media should speak of the NRA in the same way they do ISIS," Moore tweeted on Friday.


No, you see, Michael - ISIS is a terrorist organization because they behead people, rape people, burn people alive, and - well - kill people.
The NRA, on the other hand, is basically a lobbying group that purportedly tries to protect 2nd Amendment rights, and tries to sway politicians, among others, to support their agenda.
Do you see the difference?
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/23/2018, 10:07 pm

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No, you see, Michael - ISIS is a terrorist organization because they behead people, rape people, burn people alive, and - well - kill people.
The NRA, on the other hand, is basically a lobbying group that purportedly tries to protect 2nd Amendment rights, and tries to sway politicians, among others, to support their agenda.
Do you see the difference?
The NRA and you support the sales of weapons of mass destruction that are used to kill school children. While ISIS kills people more sensationally the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/23/2018, 10:13 pm

Six companies dump the NRA in just 24 hours

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The mass boycott by NRA business partners is another sign that this time the conversation is different.

As teenage school shooting survivors channeled their anger into a national movement, #BoycottNRA exploded across Twitter this week, and companies that once partnered with the National Rifle Association pulled out one by one.

It started with First National Bank of Omaha on Thursday night, which canceled their NRA-branded Visa cards. This was followed by rental car conglomerate Enterprise Holdings, which revoked its NRA member discounts for Enterprise, National, and Alamo.

On Friday, the list grew longer as the hashtag started to blow up.

Symantec, the security company that sells Norton Antivirus and LifeLock identify theft protection, terminated its NRA member discount. Soon after, Chubb, a casualty insurance company, announced that it had stopped underwriting NRA insurance policies.

MetLife announced it was ending its discount program. Then Hertz followed the lead of Enterprise and canceled its car rental partnership.

Many of the NRA’s partners, as documented by ThinkProgress, still remain. But the pressure is not letting up.

And the loss of these companies could be a serious blow. The NRA, much like AARP or AAA, uses corporate partnerships like these to get people to join and pay dues, and the perks are often attractive. For example, some of the rental car discounts were up to 25 percent off.

The NRA has drawn nationwide outrage for its response to the Parkland shooting. The group came out against raising the age limit to buy assault weapons, a measure so basic even Republicans are considering it.

And NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch did the group no favors with her speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference, where she claimed that “many in legacy media love mass shootings” because “crying white mothers are ratings gold.”

Some NRA members, including veterans, are now shredding their memberships out of disgust with how the group has tried to cram guns into our communities and our classrooms.

The years of empty words, deflection, and acceptance of gun violence as normal are over. The conversation has finally shifted, and it is time to hold accountable the extremist group that has allowed this bloodshed.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/23/2018, 10:21 pm

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
     
happy jack wrote:

No, you see, Michael - ISIS is a terrorist organization because they behead people, rape people, burn people alive, and - well - kill people.
The NRA, on the other hand, is basically a lobbying group that purportedly tries to protect 2nd Amendment rights, and tries to sway politicians, among others, to support their agenda.

Do you see the difference?
The NRA and you support the sales of weapons of mass destruction that are used to kill school children.  While ISIS kills people more sensationally the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.


.... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.

"Guns don't kill people - talking points kill people."

Razz  Razz  Razz  Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/24/2018, 12:18 pm

United Airlines, Delta cut ties with the NRA
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United Airlines and Delta are cutting ties with the National Rifle Association, the latest in major companies to do so following the deadly shooting at a Florida high school earlier this month.

Both Delta and Chicago-based United said Saturday they will no longer offer discounted fares to NRA members to attend their annual meetings, and both have asked the gun rights group to remove any references to their companies from the NRA website.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/24/2018, 1:14 pm

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
United Airlines, Delta cut ties with the NRA
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United Airlines and Delta are cutting ties with the National Rifle Association, the latest in major companies to do so following the deadly shooting at a Florida high school earlier this month.

Both Delta and Chicago-based United said Saturday they will no longer offer discounted fares to NRA members to attend their annual meetings, and both have asked the gun rights group to remove any references to their companies from the NRA website.
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Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
   ..... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.

If enough companies participate in these boycotts, perhaps the NRA will no longer be able to stockpile so many of those "assault" talking points and use them to kill people.
You never did explain, however, exactly how they use these talking points to slaughter innocent people.
I mean, these talking points, are they, like, real sharp points, and the NRA stabs and pokes people with them until they are dead?
How does this work?
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/24/2018, 7:47 pm

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Artie Always Speaks the Truth wrote:
United Airlines, Delta cut ties with the NRA
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United Airlines and Delta are cutting ties with the National Rifle Association, the latest in major companies to do so following the deadly shooting at a Florida high school earlier this month.

Both Delta and Chicago-based United said Saturday they will no longer offer discounted fares to NRA members to attend their annual meetings, and both have asked the gun rights group to remove any references to their companies from the NRA website.
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Artie Always Speaks the Truth wrote:
   ..... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.

If enough companies participate in these boycotts, perhaps the NRA will no longer be able to stockpile so many of those "assault" talking points and use them to kill people.
You never did explain, however, exactly how they use these talking points to slaughter innocent people.
I mean, these talking points, are they, like, real sharp points, and the NRA stabs and pokes people with them until they are dead?
How does this work?
Simple. They brainwash gullible lazy cranks like yourself who sit and watch Fox News all day with their rhetoric into believing that every gun nut like yourself should be allowed to purchase and stockpile weapons of mass destruction like military style assault weapons.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/25/2018, 9:49 am

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
United Airlines, Delta cut ties with the NRA
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United Airlines and Delta are cutting ties with the National Rifle Association, the latest in major companies to do so following the deadly shooting at a Florida high school earlier this month.

Both Delta and Chicago-based United said Saturday they will no longer offer discounted fares to NRA members to attend their annual meetings, and both have asked the gun rights group to remove any references to their companies from the NRA website.
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She who believes that talking points kill people wrote:
   ..... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.

If enough companies participate in these boycotts, perhaps the NRA will no longer be able to stockpile so many of those "assault" talking points and use them to kill people.
You never did explain, however, exactly how they use these talking points to slaughter innocent people.
I mean, these talking points, are they, like, real sharp points, and the NRA stabs and pokes people with them until they are dead?
How does this work?
Simple. They brainwash gullible lazy cranks like yourself who sit and watch Fox News all day with their rhetoric into believing that every gun nut like yourself should be allowed to purchase and stockpile weapons of mass destruction like military style assault weapons.



Laughing Artie Laughing 60438 Laughing Always Laughing Speaks Laughing the Laughing Truth Laughing wrote: ..... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.



You still haven't explained how talking points kill people.
Do these sharpened talking points jump out of a TV screen that is showing Fox News and kill innocent Americans by poking them to death?
Are you in favor of banning talking points altogether, or do you think there should just be limitations?
Perhaps a background check and a 10-day waiting period before Fox News is allowed to broadcast the NRA's dangerously sharp talking points?
And can you name a few people who were killed by these talking points? I sometimes just skim the news for the major stories, so it's possible that I missed some of those articles.
Some clarification would be helpful.
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/25/2018, 10:49 am

Trump Worshiping Advocate for the Murder of School Children wrote:
Artie Always Speaks the Truth wrote:
Trump Worshiping Advocate for the Murder of School Children wrote:
Artie Always Speaks the Truth wrote:
United Airlines, Delta cut ties with the NRA
Quote :
United Airlines and Delta are cutting ties with the National Rifle Association, the latest in major companies to do so following the deadly shooting at a Florida high school earlier this month.

Both Delta and Chicago-based United said Saturday they will no longer offer discounted fares to NRA members to attend their annual meetings, and both have asked the gun rights group to remove any references to their companies from the NRA website.
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Artie Always Speaks the Truth wrote:
   ..... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.

If enough companies participate in these boycotts, perhaps the NRA will no longer be able to stockpile so many of those "assault" talking points and use them to kill people.
You never did explain, however, exactly how they use these talking points to slaughter innocent people.
I mean, these talking points, are they, like, real sharp points, and the NRA stabs and pokes people with them until they are dead?
How does this work?
Simple. They brainwash gullible lazy cranks like yourself who sit and watch Fox News all day with their rhetoric into believing that every gun nut like yourself should be allowed to purchase and stockpile weapons of mass destruction like military style assault weapons.



Artie Always Speaks the Truth wrote: ..... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.



You still haven't explained how talking points kill people.
Do these sharpened talking points jump out of a TV screen that is showing Fox News and kill innocent Americans by poking them to death?
Are you in favor of banning talking points altogether, or do you think there should just be limitations?
Perhaps a background check and a 10-day waiting period before Fox News is allowed to broadcast the NRA's dangerously sharp talking points?
And can you name a few people who were killed by these talking points? I sometimes just skim the news for the major stories, so it's possible that I missed some of those articles.
Some clarification would be helpful.
I already answered it,Brain stem.

It still hasn't dawned on you that no one here is interested in going down your rabbit holes anymore,has it?

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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/25/2018, 11:06 am

She who believes that talking points kill innocent Americans 60438 wrote:
  It still hasn't dawned on you that no one here is interested in going down your rabbit holes anymore,has it?

You must be speaking about that rabbit hole you yourself began digging when you made this utterly brilliant statement:

Advocate for the Murder of Police Officers 60438 wrote:
.... the NRA's talking points helps kill innocent Americans.

So - who are some of these people who were killed by talking points?
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   2/28/2018, 4:32 pm

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Dick's Sporting Goods Ends Sale Of Assault-Style Rifles, Citing Florida Shooting

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Artchel, Artchel, Artchel - you just can't seem to stop obsessing over Dick's, can you?
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PostSubject: Re: Gun Control   3/1/2018, 2:53 pm

If you can't defeat them with logic and reason, then they must be silenced.



https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/gun-controllers-banning-speech-nra-tv-gun-culture-war/

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Banning Speech: Next Front in the Gun Culture Wars
By Jonathan S. Tobin

March 1, 2018 3:11 PM

Leftists aim to ban NRA TV from streaming platforms. And guns aren’t the only things they want to control.


In the weeks since the Parkland, Fla., massacre, gun-control advocates have changed their tactics. After each past mass shooting, leftists merely denounced the NRA for, as they saw it, obstructing laws that might sensibly restrict the sale and ownership of firearms. But this time, gun-control activists not only blamed the NRA. They directed the passion of the high-school student survivors and those who grieved with them toward the amorphous and largely pointless legislative proposals presented as a response to the latest atrocity.
In short order, the attacks on the NRA led to a movement to boycott the 5-million-member organization. Activists also pressured businesses such as banks, car-rental agencies, and airlines to end any relationship with the NRA — relations that largely revolve around discounts for NRA members. But as bitter as the battles over these efforts have been, a far more troubling aspect of the effort to isolate the NRA is getting less attention.

Gun-control advocates are now pressuring Amazon, Google, AT&T, Roku, and other streaming platforms to ban NRA TV — the organization’s private channel of gun-rights advocacy and other weapons-related programming. This takes the fight against the group to a different and dangerous level. It is one thing to condemn the NRA and even to ask businesses not to work with a group that offends some people. It is quite another to silence the point of view of an organization that represents millions of Americans. If successful, the ban on NRA TV will mark a turning point not so much in the battle over gun control as in the debate over political speech and what is permissible within the public square.
Part of the NRA’s problems stem from its own ham-fisted approach to the post-Parkland political environment. Faced with a vituperative campaign against it in which the group was blamed for mass shootings, the NRA circled the wagons. In his first full public response after Parkland, in a speech at CPAC, NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre attributed the current anti-NRA mood to a “socialist” plot to destroy the Constitution and the rights of individual citizens.
LaPierre is correct that the ultimate goal of many of the NRA’s most fervent opponents — such as former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has personally funded the Everytown for Gun Safety group — would be to effectively repeal the Second Amendment. But by casting the argument as a conspiracy in which a plutocrat like Bloomberg is a “socialist” plotter, LaPierre persuaded few outside of the NRA.


The NRA is under siege, for sure, but the more its opponents demonize the group, the more likely it is that it will emerge from this crisis with its support intact or even stronger. The companies considering banning NRA TV should consider that. They should also understand that the effort to silence the group goes above and beyond the political struggle over guns.
Enlisting streaming platforms in the anti-NRA crusade is a mistake. In the era of social media, corporations are easily bullied into backing away from controversy. But no matter how unpopular the NRA might be in some quarters, treating the views of its supporters as beyond the pale is still bad for business — as some of those companies that have joined the NRA boycott are starting to learn.
The boycott, predictably, has only strengthened the pro-gun-rights stance of firearm owners and conservatives. They see the boycott as yet another front in the culture war waged by urban and coastal liberal elites, who view guns as horrible and distasteful, against Americans who live in regions where gun ownership is part of everyday life.
Its foes think of the NRA as a Washington lobby whose financial and political clout is based on contributions from gun manufacturers. They forget that it is a mass-membership organization. Its influence on lawmakers does not come from its roster of high-flying campaign donors — Bloomberg’s outfit has outspent the NRA in some key elections in which gun control became an issue.


The NRA’s power comes from its ability to motivate people to vote. NRA members and the many others who sympathize with the group tend to be single-issue voters dedicated to the Second Amendment; gun critics tend not to be single-issue voters. NRA backers see the boycott as an attack on them, not on LaPierre and his staff. And so the NRA’s hold on Red State America will remain secure.
That’s why Amazon, Google, and AT&T should be wary of taking action that, in effect, would place them at odds with about half of the country. But over and above the reluctance they should feel about signing up for a culture war, these companies should also understand that if they ban NRA TV, they’ll be headed down a very slippery slope. Soon, pro-gun opinions would not be the only ones to be censored.
There may be no constitutional right to a spot on a streaming spectrum. But it’s absurd to think that the NRA’s views are so dangerous that they can’t be heard. The celebrities who support such censorship are notable for their hypocrisy. What would be the reaction of  Morning Joe hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski if cable providers took MSNBC off the air because of its obvious left-wing tilt? They would be outraged and rightly so, since it would be censorship. The same applies to actors such as Alyssa Milano and others in the entertainment industry who are cheerleading for the ban. They’d be outraged if their work were censored. In effect, they are trying to turn neutral platforms such as Amazon into thought police on an issue about which Americans have conflicting opinions.
By seeking to silence the NRA rather than defeat its arguments, its liberal critics are overstepping.


Scarborough and Brzezinski have every right to treat the NRA as a piñata on their program. But when they aim to prevent the group from reaching its supporters via streaming platforms, they reveal their bias: Free speech is fine for them but not for their opponents. Like the boycotts, this is bound to boomerang on gun-control advocates. With talk of a “socialism’ plot, LaPierre may’ve alienated the public, but intolerant liberal elites now make the NRA look like a sympathetic martyr.
After the Parkland shooting, public sentiment may have tilted against the NRA, but even the grief Americans feel about the massacre hasn’t delegitimized the notion of gun rights. As long as there are two sides in this debate, each is entitled to a hearing. In culture wars, opponents wish to silence each other rather than agree to disagree. But controlling the flow of ideas in this manner is contrary to the spirit of democracy. By seeking to silence the NRA rather than defeat its arguments, its liberal critics are overstepping. In their overreach, they will not shake the NRA’s hold on the many Second Amendment–supporting Americans who vote.
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