Trayvon Martin Death Investigation

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Zimmerman Forced to Keep GPS

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George Zimmerman was rebuffed by a Florida judge in his request today to remove the GPS tracking device he must wear and be allowed to leave Seminole County so that he would not have to live in hiding while awaiting trial for shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman, who is currently out of jail on a $1 million bond, appeared in court today, noticeably stockier, clad in a dark suit and presumably a bulletproof vest as he typically wears in public.

In seeking permission to remove the tracking device, defense attorney Mark O'Mara put Adam Vincent, Zimmerman's probation officer, on the stand. Vincent testified that Zimmerman has always complied with the terms of his probation.

O'Mara argued that Zimmerman has "shown himself where he should be free" and should not be restricted to Seminole County because it does not allow him to speak with attorneys, expert witnesses or to help his attorneys prepare for the upcoming trial.

I guess poor Georgie never heard of a telephone or Skype.

[b]Why does it elate you so to see a man who has been proven guilty of nothing being punished?

Nice to see you're still feeling sorry for this scumbag. Too bad your facts are all wrong. He has been proven to be a flight risk and guilty of misleading the Judge. Georgie's higher bail and GPS requirement are a direct result of two things. 1)Lying to the court about his financial resources while conspiring with his wife,who ended up being charged with perjury,and 2),failing to turn over a second passport.

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Zimmerman Forced to Keep GPS

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George Zimmerman was rebuffed by a Florida judge in his request today to remove the GPS tracking device he must wear and be allowed to leave Seminole County so that he would not have to live in hiding while awaiting trial for shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman, who is currently out of jail on a $1 million bond, appeared in court today, noticeably stockier, clad in a dark suit and presumably a bulletproof vest as he typically wears in public.

In seeking permission to remove the tracking device, defense attorney Mark O'Mara put Adam Vincent, Zimmerman's probation officer, on the stand. Vincent testified that Zimmerman has always complied with the terms of his probation.

O'Mara argued that Zimmerman has "shown himself where he should be free" and should not be restricted to Seminole County because it does not allow him to speak with attorneys, expert witnesses or to help his attorneys prepare for the upcoming trial.

I guess poor Georgie never heard of a telephone or Skype.

[b]Why does it elate you so to see a man who has been proven guilty of nothing being punished?

Nice to see you're still feeling sorry for this scumbag. Too bad your facts are all wrong. He has been proven to be a flight risk and guilty of misleading the Judge. Georgie's higher bail and GPS requirement are a direct result of two things. 1)Lying to the court about his financial resources while conspiring with his wife,who ended up being charged with perjury,and 2),failing to turn over a second passport.

Do you believe that someone who lies to the court should be punished to the full extent of the law?

happy jack wrote:

Do you believe that someone who lies to the court should be punished to the full extent of the law?

When it's deliberate,like in GZ's case,Yes.

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Do you believe that someone who lies to the court should be punished to the full extent of the law?

When it's deliberate,like in GZ's case,Yes.

[b]So is it fair to say that you were then, and are still now, fully in favor of Bill Clinton’s impeachment?

Nope,and my position ended up being right since he was acquitted of the charge of perjury.

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Do you believe that someone who lies to the court should be punished to the full extent of the law?

When it's deliberate,like in GZ's case,Yes.

[b]So is it fair to say that you were then, and are still now, fully in favor of Bill Clinton’s impeachment?

Nope,and my position ended up being right since he was acquitted of the charge of perjury.

Obviously, the acquittal took place after the impeachment, but regardless of whether he was acquitted, he clearly lied to the court. Since you had no way of knowing beforehand that he would be acquitted (other than a lucky guess on a 50/50 proposition), were you in favor of his impeachment based on the fact that he blatantly misled the court, the same as Zimmerman did?
If not, why not?
Are sitting Democrat presidents allowed to lie to the court, while white Hispanics are not?

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"Whether his act was hatred or stupidity...

I say both. What a fucking idiot.

Police Sgt. fired for bringing shooting targets resembling Trayvon Martin to training

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Sgt. Ron King





Fired police Sgt. defends self on Youtube


Sgt. fired for alleged Trayvon Martin targets
BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. —


Officials with Port Canaveral said a police sergeant has been fired after he brought shooting targets resembling Trayvon Martin to a firearms training session.
Sgt. Ron King was terminated from the police department on Friday, according to officials.
Officials will hold a meeting Monday at Port Canaveral that will focus on ethics.
Port officials said King brought two shooting targets which had images resembling Trayvon Martin on them to a firearms training session on April 4.
The image of someone wearing a dark hoodie with a drink can in their hand has become a well-known symbol in the death of 17-year-old Martin. The unarmed teen was shot and killed in Sanford last year.
King was supervising the training session and asked if anyone wanted to use them.
"He had a target in the back of his car and offered it to two other officers with the port," said said John Walsh, CEO of Port Canaveral. "They rejected his offer and told him to put it back in the car."
Officials will not say if the targets were actually used by King.
"Whether his act was hatred or stupidity, none is tolerable," said Walsh.
The firearms training was being held at a facility at the Brevard Community College campus in Cocoa. The officers who were participating in the training, as well as King, were on duty at the time.
But King told a different story in a YouTube video he posted, saying, "I find that people are accusing me of doing something that I just plain did not do."
King said he brought the targets to demonstrate what officers should not shoot at, and claims anyone saying otherwise is trying to further their own political agenda.
King had been employed with the Port Canaveral Police Department since January of 2011, officials said. Port officials told WFTV King purchased the targets on the Internet.
In a statement from Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Trayvon Martin's family, he said "Using a dead child's image as target practice is reprehensible."
Officials said King has seven days to appeal his termination.

Red herring

Red herring is an English-language idiom, a logical fallacy that misleads or detracts from the issue. It is also a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion, often used in mystery or detective fiction. - wiki

happy jack wrote:

edge540 wrote:

Red herring

Red herring is an English-language idiom, a logical fallacy that misleads or detracts from the issue. It is also a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion, often used in mystery or detective fiction. - wiki

Can you please explain why this is a case of a "red herring"?
I see two separate instances of a person lying to the court.
Should one be treated differently from the other?
If so, why?

What is the exact evidence that Clinton committed perjury? It doesn't matter how you "see it." What matters is whether or not he actually committed perjury.

Scorpion wrote:

happy jack wrote:

edge540 wrote:

Red herring

Red herring is an English-language idiom, a logical fallacy that misleads or detracts from the issue. It is also a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion, often used in mystery or detective fiction. - wiki

Can you please explain why this is a case of a "red herring"?
I see two separate instances of a person lying to the court.
Should one be treated differently from the other?
If so, why?

What is the exact evidence that Clinton committed perjury? It doesn't matter how you "see it." What matters is whether or not he actually committed perjury.

I suppose if you want to grasp at the straws of this rationalization, it's rather pointless to have any further discussion on this matter:

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/30/17983728-zimmerman-waives-stand-your-ground-defense-for-now?lite

Zimmerman waives 'stand your ground' defense -- for now

By Erin McClam, Staff Writer, NBC News

George Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, waived his right Tuesday to seek immunity under Florida’s “stand your ground” self-defense law before his June trial.
His lawyers have said they may seek immunity later.
Zimmerman, who has pleaded not guilty, is a former neighborhood watch volunteer of white and Hispanic descent who has maintained he shot Martin on Feb. 26, 2012, in self-defense after Martin attacked him.
The “stand your ground” law says people do not have to retreat if they believe they are in imminent danger of being killed or badly injured.
Kendall Coffey, a former federal prosecutor in Florida and an NBC News legal analyst, said before the hearing that it would be “very strategic” for the defense to waive the “stand your ground” hearing before trial.
“That way, they’re not going to have to show all their cards, and they avoid the risk that a judge might reject the self-defense claim,” he told TODAY.
Jury selection may also come up at the hearing Tuesday, which is being streamed live on NBCNews.com.
Speaking softly and answering questions from the judge, Zimmerman said he understood and consented to his lawyers’ decision not to seek a hearing on immunity before the case goes to trial.

happy jack wrote:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/30/17983728-zimmerman-waives-stand-your-ground-defense-for-now?lite

Zimmerman waives 'stand your ground' defense -- for now

By Erin McClam, Staff Writer, NBC News

[i]George Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, waived his right Tuesday to seek immunity under Florida’s “stand your ground” self-defense law before his June trial.
His lawyers have said they may seek immunity later.

Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

Meanwhile the ghouls on the right aren't missing a beat.
Rush Limbaugh Compares Suspected Boston Bomber To Trayvon Martin

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/30/17983728-zimmerman-waives-stand-your-ground-defense-for-now?lite

Zimmerman waives 'stand your ground' defense -- for now

By Erin McClam, Staff Writer, NBC News

[i]George Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, waived his right Tuesday to seek immunity under Florida’s “stand your ground” self-defense law before his June trial.
His lawyers have said they may seek immunity later.

Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

Meanwhile the ghouls on the right aren't missing a beat.
Rush Limbaugh Compares Suspected Boston Bomber To Trayvon Martin

[b]"If I had a son, he'd look like Dzhokar," Obama said, underscoring how the issue affected him on a personal, and not just a political or legal, level. "I think [Dzhokar’s parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

Making up quotes now? Pathetic!

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/30/17983728-zimmerman-waives-stand-your-ground-defense-for-now?lite

Zimmerman waives 'stand your ground' defense -- for now

By Erin McClam, Staff Writer, NBC News

[i]George Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, waived his right Tuesday to seek immunity under Florida’s “stand your ground” self-defense law before his June trial.
His lawyers have said they may seek immunity later.

Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

Meanwhile the ghouls on the right aren't missing a beat.
Rush Limbaugh Compares Suspected Boston Bomber To Trayvon Martin

[b]"If I had a son, he'd look like Dzhokar," Obama said, underscoring how the issue affected him on a personal, and not just a political or legal, level. "I think [Dzhokar’s parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

Making up quotes now? Pathetic!

I'm not sure what you mean. Please explain.

Artie60438 wrote:

Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

A defendant’s decision to not undergo cross-examination is a very common practice.
Why, look!
Someone else is not taking the stand at his own trial!
(Don’t know if you’ll find that factoid in the New York Times, though.)


http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2122235

Gosnell's abortion atrocities no 'aberration': Column

by Kirsten Powers, USA TODAY
Updated: 04/29/2013 07:45pm

"If I talk, maybe people will make sure it won't happen again."
That's what 20-year-old Desiree Hawkins told me last week as she recounted the horror of visiting abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell in December 2009. The jury in Gosnell's trial for the alleged murders of multiple babies and one woman heard closing arguments Monday afternoon, but they won't hear from Hawkins.
Hawkins was forced to relive the nightmare of Gosnell's house of horrors when she was contacted by a Drug Enforcement Administration agent this year. The agent told her that one of the severed feet found in jars at the clinic belonged to her aborted baby. She was set to testify as a rebuttal witness against Gosnell until he chose to not take the stand.

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

[b]A defendant’s decision to not undergo cross-examination is a very common practice.
Why, look!
Someone else is not taking the stand at his own trial!

What does this have to do with the Martin trial? The 2 cases are separate,you idiot.

George Zimmerman gains more than 100 pounds since fatally shooting Trayvon Martin

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Murder defendant George Zimmerman, accused of killing Florida teen Trayvon Martin last year, tips the scales at more than 300 pounds, undergoing a substantial weight gain since his April 2012 arrest.

The 29-year-old, facing a second-degree murder charge, has ballooned 110 pounds since the night he fatally shot the 17-year-old Martin, a spokesman for Zimmerman’s attorney told the Daily News.

It's never too early to start bulking up for prison.

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

[b]A defendant’s decision to not undergo cross-examination is a very common practice.
Why, look!
Someone else is not taking the stand at his own trial!

What does this have to do with the Martin trial? The 2 cases are separate,you idiot.

Of course the cases are separate. But you seemed to be so utterly befuddled that a defendant would decline to be cross-examined that I thought I would demonstrate to you that it is really not at all rare.

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

[b]A defendant’s decision to not undergo cross-examination is a very common practice.
Why, look!
Someone else is not taking the stand at his own trial!

What does this have to do with the Martin trial? The 2 cases are separate,you idiot.

Of course the cases are separate. But you seemed to be so utterly befuddled that a defendant would decline to be cross-examined that I thought I would demonstrate to you that it is really not at all rare.

Befuddled? Hardly.

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Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

happy jack wrote:

Artie60438 wrote:

Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

[b]A defendant’s decision to not undergo cross-examination is a very common practice.
Why, look!
Someone else is not taking the stand at his own trial!

What does this have to do with the Martin trial? The 2 cases are separate,you idiot.

Of course the cases are separate. But you seemed to be so utterly befuddled that a defendant would decline to be cross-examined that I thought I would demonstrate to you that it is really not at all rare.

Befuddled? Hardly.

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Sounds like Georgie boy is afraid of folding under questioning during a cross exam.

And once again: a defendant’s decision to not undergo cross-examination is a very common practice.
Why, look!
Someone else is not taking the stand at his own trial!
(Don’t know if you’ll find that factoid in the New York Times, though.)


http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2122235

Gosnell's abortion atrocities no 'aberration': Column

by Kirsten Powers, USA TODAY
Updated: 04/29/2013 07:45pm

"If I talk, maybe people will make sure it won't happen again."
That's what 20-year-old Desiree Hawkins told me last week as she recounted the horror of visiting abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell in December 2009. The jury in Gosnell's trial for the alleged murders of multiple babies and one woman heard closing arguments Monday afternoon, but they won't hear from Hawkins.
Hawkins was forced to relive the nightmare of Gosnell's house of horrors when she was contacted by a Drug Enforcement Administration agent this year. The agent told her that one of the severed feet found in jars at the clinic belonged to her aborted baby. She was set to testify as a rebuttal witness against Gosnell until he chose to not take the stand.



QED

Judge won’t delay Zimmerman trial, limits evidence of Trayvon’s past

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The trial of George Zimmerman won’t be delayed, a judge ruled Tuesday, and his defense team won’t initially be allowed to use past text messages, social media posts, history of school suspension and fights and past marijuana use of slain teen Trayvon Martin.

Circuit Judge Debra Nelson on Tuesday also declined to issue a gag order for lawyers in the case and keep the jury pool sequestered.

Zimmerman is set for trial on June 10 in the killing of Trayvon, an unarmed Miami Gardens teen whose death captured worldwide headlines, spurred racial tension and sparked scrutiny of Florida’s self-defense law.

A self-proclaimed neighborhood watchman, Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon in February 2012 during a confrontation in a Sanford gated community just north of Orlando.

As it should be,the killer,George Zimmerman,will be on trial,and not the other way around.