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PostSubject: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/22/2012, 12:06 pm

Supreme Court to Debate Affordable Care Act Next week - and plaintiff's case has imploded

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With the impending, and unprecedented, 3 days of arguments over the Affordable Care Act occurring early next week, it's interesting to see that the test case being used to challenge the law has now become a test case demonstrating the necessity of the law.

Mary Brown, the woman who asserts no one has the authority to make her buy health care is now bankrupt, at least in part due to medical bills. From the LA Times article:

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Mary Brown, a 56-year-old Florida woman who owned a small auto repair shop but had no health insurance, became the lead plaintiff challenging President Obama's healthcare law because she was passionate about the issue.

Brown "doesn't have insurance. She doesn't want to pay for it. And she doesn't want the government to tell her she has to have it," said Karen Harned, a lawyer for the National Federation of Independent Business. Brown is a plaintiff in the federation's case, which the Supreme Court plans to hear later this month.

But court records reveal that Brown and her husband filed for bankruptcy last fall with $4,500 in unpaid medical bills. Those bills could change Brown from a symbol of proud independence into an example of exactly the problem the healthcare law was intended to address.

I think at this point the solicitor general just has to point at the plaintiff and say "See! See!".

People without health insurance are still covered by the ethical obligations of EMTALA. They can still see doctors and get treatment and not pay their bills. Then who pays for it? All of the rest of us.

The "individual mandate" should be called a "personal responsibility" provision, because the fact is all these rugged individualists are parasites. Refusing to pay into the system then benefiting when they, inevitably, need to use it.

Makes sense to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/22/2012, 1:10 pm

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People without health insurance are still covered by the ethical obligations of EMTALA. They can still see doctors and get treatment and not pay their bills. Then who pays for it? All of the rest of us.
I've been preaching that ever since the health care debate started. Not only do the rest of us have to pay for it,but going without insurance also so means going without a lot of preventive care,which of course leads to further complications and even more unpaid bills.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/22/2012, 1:11 pm

Before there was a black Democrate president it also made sense to republican conservatives. Before they were against it, the republicans were all for the "individual mandate."
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History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010

Republican Origins of Democratic Health Care Provision

Heritage Foundation's 1989 report is considered to be the conceptual origin of the health insurance mandate.

The concept of the individual health insurance mandate is considered to have originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate.
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182


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How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/


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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/22/2012, 6:19 pm

In reality, the Affordable Health Care Act is really pretty damned good. I saw an excellent presentation on it in January by Jonathan Gruber from MIT, who served as an advisor for both the Massachusetts and national health care reform bills.

He covered a lot of ground in an hour, and IMHO, it's definitely worth watching.

If you're interested, here's a link to the video.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Grub
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/22/2012, 7:06 pm

I've always thought it is a good idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/26/2012, 10:22 am

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What is the cause of excess costs in US healthcare? Take three - signs of reform

We've already extensively discussed why it costs twice as much for the US to provide healthcare for it's citizens all the while failing to cover health care for all. Most recently, we discussed the hidden tax of the uninsured and the perverse incentive structure of US healthcare which encourage costlier care, more utilization, and more procedures.

To summarize, the US spends more on healthcare compared to other industrialized nations because

  • We deliver it inefficiently
  • Without universality problems present when critical and in the ER
  • Fee-for-service incentives in the form of excessive reimbursement for procedures and hospitals ramp up costs by encouraging doctors to overuse expensive tests and perform more procedures
  • Direct-to-consumer advertising (we are one of two countries that allow advertisement of prescription drugs) and medicare part D encourage overuse of pharmaceuticals while tying providers hands when it comes to bargaining for lower drug prices
  • Defensive medicine
  • Poor management of end-of-life decisions and excessive and futile overuse of resources at the end of life
  • Absence of a universal electronic medical record (or record format) to prevent redundancy and waste.

Now, what about the new Affordable Care Act? Are there going to be measures to address these sources of excess cost while creating universal coverage? The WaPo has an article outlining reforms addressing many of these specific problems.

Spoiler alert: It's not a prelude to a Nazi, socialist, zombie, Islamic, Anti-Christ hellscape. It's just going to work, which is why Republicans hate it so much.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/26/2012, 11:05 am

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Get Mad: Health Care CEOs Now Make More Than Bankers

While the Time's Person of the Year has been distracted protesting the financial industry, the salaries of healthcare CEOs have been skyrocketing. The same American companies that are fighting health care reform are making Wall Street's famously inflated compensation packages -- that means paychecks as well as stock options -- look minuscule in comparison. The latest statistics show that not a single banker made it onto the list of top ten best-paid executives this year. The Guardian's Dominic Rushe offered up a few startling figures in his report on the newly released GMI Survey of CEO pay in 2010. Three of the top ten best-paid CEOs run health care companies:
John Hammergren, CEO of McKesson Corporation (a pharmaceutical company): $145,266,971
Joel F Gemunder, CEO of Omnicare (a pharmacy for the elderly): $98,283,242
Thomas M Ryan, CVS Caremark Corporation (a pharmacy for everybody): $68,079,823

If you're having a hard time stomaching the idea of paying health care executives nine-figure-sums as rising health care costs are making some Americans homeless, the story does have a bright side. Bankers' salaries are sinking fast.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/business/2011/12/get-mad-healthcare-ceos-now-make-more-than-bankers/46213/
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/26/2012, 2:06 pm

Heretic wrote:

Spoiler alert: It's not a prelude to a Nazi, socialist, zombie, Islamic, Anti-Christ hellscape. It's just going to work, which is why Republicans hate it so much.
Exactly! Every good piece of legislation Democrats ever produced becomes a target of Repubs sooner or later. Whether it's Medicare,Civil rights,minimum wage,etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/26/2012, 7:53 pm

There's no such thing as affordable health care. The states that implemented the new Aetna Health Care is in disrepair. They have caused more people to run to the ER than ever before. There are no doctors willing to sign on to the AtnaHealthCare in 25 states.

As far as Medicare, there won't be any in the future the way the democrats spend and don't know what the hell they are doing - can't balance a butdget since 2009, but they want to tell you where to go, who to see, and what meds you are allowed.

Government should stay out of the business of medicine. If anything, require all the states to buy meds in bulk and allow people to travel and not having to worry if their stupid medical is covered in another state. How restricting. And...that's what ObamaCARE will do for you. You will be waiting months for doctors.

The Wall Street Journal last year reported that ObamaCare calls for sending heart patients to pediatricians, and "take a crash course in cardiology," and take a cut in pay. Ill. cannot find one freaking doctor west of cook county that will join Aetna. The few that have or own clinics that accept it, can't speak English.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/26/2012, 9:33 pm

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The Wall Street Journal last year reported that ObamaCare calls for sending heart patients to pediatricians, and "take a crash course in cardiology," and take a cut in pay. Ill. cannot find one freaking doctor west of cook county that will join Aetna. The few that have or own clinics that accept it, can't speak English.
Do you ever get tired of making things up and posting out and out lies? Don't blame Obama for the fact you're on Medicaid.

I'd also be willing to bet that Dr's don't like dealing with you either. I have a strong suspicion that you've been prescribed psychotropic drugs and refuse to take them as prescribed. What else would possibly explain your behavior?
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/26/2012, 10:05 pm

Meet the Republicans for Mandated Coverage...They were all for it until affraid Obama was for it Shocked


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Frmr. Gov. Mitt Romney (MA) | Frmr. Rep. Newt Gingrich (GA) | Frmr. Gov. Tim Pawlenty | Frmr. Sen. Bob Bennett (UT) | Frmr. Sen. Chris Bond (MO) | Frmr. Sen. William Cohen (ME) | Frmr. Sen. John Danforth (MO) | Frmr. Sen. Bob Dole (KS) | Frmr. Sen. Pete Domenici (NM) | Frmr. Sen. David Durenberger (MN) | Frmr. Sen. Duncan Faircloth (NC) | Frmr. Sen. Slade Gorton (WA) | Sen. Chuck Grassley (IA) | Sen. Orrin Hatch (UT) | Frmr. Sen. Mark Hatfield (OR) | Frmr. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (KS) | Sen. Dick Richard Lugar (IN) | Frmr. Sen. Alan Simpson (WY) | Frmr. Sen. Arlen Specter (PA) | Frmr. Sen. Ted Stevens (AK) | Frmr. Sen. John Warner (VA) | Frmr. Sen. Hank Brown (CO) | Frmr. Sen. Conrad Burns (MT) | Sen. Dan Coats (IN) | Sen. Thad Cochran (MS) | Frmr. Sen. Paul Coverdell (GA) | Frmr. Sen. Larry Craig (ID) | Frmr. Sen. Judd Gregg (NH) | Frmr. Sen. Jesse Helms (NC) | Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX) | Frmr. Sen. Dirk Kempthorne (ID) | Frmr. Sen. Trent Lott (MS) | Rep. Connie Mack (FL) | Frmr. Sen. Frank Murkowski (AK) | Frmr. Sen. Bob Smith (NH) | Frmr. Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-SC) | Frmr. Sen. Malcolm Wallop (WY) | Frmr. Sen. Don Nickles (OK) | Rep. Cliff Stearns (FL) | Frmr. Rep. Jim (LA) | Frmr. Vice President Dan Quayle (IN) | Sen. John McCain (AZ) | Sen. Scott Scott Brown (MA) | Frmr. Gov. Tommy Thompson (WI) | Sen. Lamar Alexander (TN) | Sen. Lindsey Graham (SC) | Sen. Mike Crapo (ID) | Frmr. President George H.W. Bush | Sen. Olympia Snowe (ME) | Frmr. Sen. John Chafee (RI) | Sen. Jim DeMint (SC)
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/03/26/451406/rmc/?mobile=nc
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/27/2012, 7:59 am

If they were all for it in 1993, why didn't Clinton's version pass?
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   3/27/2012, 11:11 am

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If they were all for it in 1993, why didn't Clinton's version pass?
Probably because it was Clinton's. Bill Clinton getting elected was when Republicans really started acting like jerks. I think after 12 years of holding the Presidency they began to believe they were entitled to it. Fast forward to today where they just refuse to cooperate with anything the Democrats propose and filibuster just about everything.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   4/13/2012, 7:42 pm

Guess what everybody!! Looks like none other than the founding fathers themselves mandated health insurance Shocked
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The founding fathers, it turns out, passed several mandates of their own. In 1790, the very first Congress—which incidentally included 20 framers—passed a law that included a mandate: namely, a requirement that ship owners buy medical insurance for their seamen. This law was then signed by another framer: President George Washington. That’s right, the father of our country had no difficulty imposing a health insurance mandate.

That’s not all. In 1792, a Congress with 17 framers passed another statute that required all able-bodied men to buy firearms. Yes, we used to have not only a right to bear arms, but a federal duty to buy them. Four framers voted against this bill, but the others did not, and it was also signed by Washington. Some tried to repeal this gun purchase mandate on the grounds it was too onerous, but only one framer voted to repeal it.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/102620/individual-mandate-history-affordable-care-act

Six years later, in 1798, Congress addressed the problem that the employer mandate to buy medical insurance for seamen covered drugs and physician services but not hospital stays. And you know what this Congress, with five framers serving in it, did? It enacted a federal law requiring the seamen to buy hospital insurance for themselves. That’s right, Congress enacted an individual mandate requiring the purchase of health insurance. And this act was signed by another founder, President John Adams.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   4/13/2012, 10:35 pm

White, political stupds.. fCE YOUR CRP,
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 9:28 am

BREAKING: Supreme Court Upholds ObamaCare's Individual Mandate as a Tax
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The Supreme Court has ruled that ObamaCare's individual mandate to purchase health insurance will survive as a tax, with Chief Justice Roberts joining the court liberals to write a majority opinion. The court also placed some narrow limits on federal power to limit state Medicaid funds.

Update: SCOTUSBlog reports that Chief Justice John Roberts cast the deciding vote to save the law. Essentially the entire law will stand.
cheers cheers cheers
2 years of lying,wingnuts can just keep on crying Laughing

How long before righties start calling for Robert's scalp and which wingnut will be the first to call for his impeachment? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 9:35 am

Via SCOTUSBlog:

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Amy Howe: In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 9:48 am

I believe the entire ruling is here.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 10:34 am

And of course, the unsurprising, predictable response:

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“The Supreme Court’s decision to uphold ObamaCare is a crushing blow to patients throughout the country. ObamaCare has failed to keep the President’s basic promise of allowing those who like their health care to keep it, while increasing costs and reducing access to quality care for patients. In this tough economy, jobs and economic growth are on the minds of most Americans, but ObamaCare has increased uncertainty for small businessmen and women and forced them to put their hiring decisions on hold.

“On July 11th, the House will once again repeal ObamaCare, clearing the way for patient-centered reforms that lower costs and increase choice. We support an approach that offers simpler, more affordable and more accessible health care that allows people to keep the health care that they like.

“The Court’s decision brings into focus the choice the American people have about the direction of our country. The President and his party believe in massive government intrusions that increase costs and take decisions away from patients. In contrast, Republicans believe in patient-centered, affordable care where health care decisions are made by patients, their families and their doctors, not by the federal government."

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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 12:37 pm

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People Who Say They're Moving To Canada Because Of ObamaCare

I'm sure they'll like the healthcare just fine there.

Wow. As one Canadian in the comment section says:

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Yeah, where the taxes are even higher, healthcare is automatic and a non-issue, and almost 50% of the population are atheist. Good fucking luck, guys. . . . Not to mention same sex marriages are not a big deal and far lighter administration on pot. Republican heaven. Really.

The twitter posts have to be satire, right? Poe's law? Laughing It's just too damn funny and too perfect an example of the usual Teabagger stupidity.
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 1:16 pm

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People Who Say They're Moving To Canada Because Of ObamaCare

I'm sure they'll like the healthcare just fine there.

Wow. As one Canadian in the comment section says:

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Yeah, where the taxes are even higher, healthcare is automatic and a non-issue, and almost 50% of the population are atheist. Good fucking luck, guys. . . . Not to mention same sex marriages are not a big deal and far lighter administration on pot. Republican heaven. Really.

The twitter posts have to be satire, right? Poe's law? Laughing It's just too damn funny and too perfect an example of the usual Teabagger stupidity.

I sure hope that it's satire. Canada has single payer - and true "government run" health care. Nobody can be that stupid, can they?

Hopefully, the American people will realize at some point that the Affordable Care Act is about Universal Health Care Insurance, and not about a government "takeover" of our healthcare system.

It's a good deal for everyone in this country. I suspect that the only reason a vast majority of the country doesn't realize that is because all the provisions aren't in place yet. Once the insurance exchanges are created and people are able to shop a truly competitive marketplace for their insurance needs, there will be a lot of happy campers.

The Washington Post has a handy tool to give people an idea of what this all means to them...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you/?hpid=z2
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 1:32 pm

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I sure hope that it's satire. Canada has single payer - and true "government run" health care. Nobody can be that stupid, can they?
Well yes they can and they are even more stupid than you think. Seriously. It's not any different than the morons holding up signs saying "Keep the government out of my medicare" and the idiots believing in "death panels." Remember, almost half of republicans still think Obama was born in Kenya and that he's Muslim.
Those tweets look pretty real to me.
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Hopefully, the American people will realize at some point that the Affordable Care Act is about Universal Health Care Insurance, and not about a government "takeover" of our healthcare system.
I wouldn't count on it.
As long as Fox News keeps on misleading and lying simpleminded brainstems will believe it.
I just heard a Fox anchor, Megyn Kelly, babble something about the government now getting between their healthcare and their doctor.

They will lie like there's no tomorrow.



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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 2:10 pm

Priceless
‘Mandate struck down’: ‘Dewey Defeats Truman’ moment for CNN, Fox News

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/health-care-ruling-scotus-cnn-gaffe-fox-news-154347515.html
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 2:37 pm

Heretic wrote:

The twitter posts have to be satire, right? Poe's law? Laughing It's just too damn funny and too perfect an example of the usual Teabagger stupidity.
Rand Paul: 'Obamacare' is still unconstitutional
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“Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional,” the freshman lawmaker said in a statement.
Take that,Chief Justice Roberts!
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PostSubject: Re: Affordable Care Act Goes to Washington   6/28/2012, 2:57 pm

That's right Rand, it's only ‘constitutional’ when a republican says it's ‘constitutional.’ Laughing

The most shocking thing to me is that it was Robert's and not Kennedy who upheld it.
Looks like Robert's didn't did not want to be the turd in the punch bowl by withholding healthcare to millions of Americans.
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