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PostSubject: Occupy Wall Street   10/13/2011, 12:47 pm

Just wanted to start a thread regarding the ongoing protest movement. It's clear to me that this movement is only going to grow, so I wanted a place where we can discuss the developments as they unfold.

Here's something that is an offshoot of OWS, and it's something that everyone can do to send a messsage to the big banks.

Bank Transfer Day: A Protest With Your Money

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The social uprising — called "Bank Transfer Day" — encourages bank customers to take their cash out of big banks and put it in smaller banks and credit unions instead. The movement is ostensibly in response to aggressive fees institutions are rolling out to recover profits lost from new financial regulations, notably Bank of America's (BAC - News) decision to stick debit card users with a $5 monthly fee and Wells Fargo's (WFC - News) $3 test of the same.

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"Together we can ensure that these banking institutions will always remember the 5th of November!! If the 99% removes our funds from the major banking institutions on or by this date, we will send a clear message and give the 1% a taste of the fear that we experience every day when we aren't able to pay for our rent, food, medication, utilities,

If anyone here is still using the big banks, rather than credit unions or community banks, this is a great time to move your money. If you have friends who haven't moved their money yet, please let them know about this. Because the more people that do this sort of thing, the sooner the big banks will realize that they can't continue to run roughshod over the rest of us.

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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/13/2011, 3:15 pm

Thanks for the heads up. I've got an account with Chase I've been meaning to close. Good idea starting a separate thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/13/2011, 4:36 pm

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Thanks for the heads up. I've got an account with Chase I've been meaning to close. Good idea starting a separate thread.
Good boy!
Now, roll over.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/13/2011, 5:46 pm

I think it is great! I started the same thread OTOB and of course got slammed every time I posted. It is amazing to me that the cons OTOB consistently defend the loop holes and tax breaks the 1% receive while they are part of the 99% that do not enjoy the same preferential treatment.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/13/2011, 7:24 pm

chuckmo48 wrote:
I think it is great! I started the same thread OTOB and of course got slammed every time I posted. It is amazing to me that the cons OTOB consistently defend the loop holes and tax breaks the 1% receive while they are part of the 99% that do not enjoy the same preferential treatment.
It's amazing how Fixed News and hate radio have brainwashed them.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/13/2011, 7:28 pm

Group plans Occupy Valpo protest Saturday
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VALPARAISO | The protest of the nation's financial institutions will spread to Valparaiso on Saturday in front of the Chase Bank at Franklin Street and Lincolnway.
Jon Gable came to the city's Board of Public Works and Safety on Thursday for a permit to hold an Occupy Valpo demonstration like those held on Wall Street in New York City and other cities around the country.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/14/2011, 3:08 am

I have an acct. with Chase. I visited the mgr. there Monday. No way are they going to be charging for using your ATM card.

A credit union sits right down the street from them.

We'll see.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/14/2011, 4:32 am

Hedge Funds were the "way to invest". Haven't you always been told that?


Here the article explains why the 99% are a bit angry:



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/14/ap/business/main20120348.shtml

Hedge fund exec gets 11 yrs, his crimes 'a virus'

Assistant U.S. Attorney Reed Brodsky told Holwell that Rajaratnam made up to $75 million between 2003 and 2009 at his Galleon Group of funds by working a network of friends, former classmates and other tipsters at various companies and investment firms to get lucrative secrets about public companies including Google, IBM, Hilton Hotels and Goldman Sachs before they were announced publicly.

He said insider trading — carried out by smart, educated people — had "become rampant" because the incentives to commit it were higher than ever before and detecting it was extremely difficult. Too often, Brodsky said, those in the securities industry rationalize that they are justified to use inside information.

"They know they are committing crimes, but it's OK because they need to beat the competition, it's OK because they need to achieve the best, it's OK because is it really so bad? That was Mr. Rajaratnam's attitude," Brodsky said.

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I just LOVE the excuses these thieves come up with as to why they should get a lighter sentence:


Holwell credited Rajaratnam for acts of charity and cited his diabetes and need for a kidney transplant as reasons for leniency.

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Holwell imposed a $10 million fine and ordered forfeiture of $53.8 million, representing illicit profits, for a man who in 2009 was ranked No. 559 by Forbes magazine among the world's wealthiest billionaires, with a $1.3 billion net worth.

He was returned after the proceeding to his $10 million Manhattan condominium, where he will continue to undergo electronic monitoring under a $100 million bail package until he reports to prison on Nov. 29. His lawyers asked that the Sri Lanka-born Rajaratnam be sent to the medical facility at the federal prison in North Carolina where Bernard Madoff is serving his 150-year sentence.

Since his October 2009 arrest, more than two dozen people were arrested in the investigation, nicknamed Perfect Hedge, and all were convicted.

The scandal — along with the 2008 financial meltdown and the Wall Street abuses it exposed — stoked populist anger in the U.S. and complaints that the stock market is a sucker's game, rigged by insiders.

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NO SHITX, IT IS RIGGED.

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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/14/2011, 4:38 pm

happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
Yeah well in only 25 day the crowds and locations are already way bigger than they were for the Tea Party at the same time.
Yeah, but that's understandable, considering the Tea Party people had to go to work.

happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
Not too bad considering we don't have a 24/7 right wing propaganda fake news channel to help promote it.

http://www.mrc.org/bozellcolumns/columns/2011/20111011105925.aspx

Contemplate this: the “Occupy” folks drew more broadcast network stories in the first nine days of coverage (24) than the Tea Party drew in the first nine months (19).

happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
Not too bad considering we don't have a 24/7 right wing propaganda fake news channel to help promote it.
http://www.mrc.org/bozellcolumns/columns/2011/20111011105925.aspx
Contemplate this: the “Occupy” folks drew more broadcast network stories in the first nine days of coverage (24) than the Tea Party drew in the first nine months (19).
No surprise that you completely missed how Brent Bozell,conservative activist,is misleading you. No links,no charts,just another right-wing blowhard.

Nate Silver of 538.com fame explains it all rather well.......
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We can also compare the coverage given to the Occupy Wall Street protests with that given to the Tea Party demonstrations in early 2009.

The seminal event for the Tea Party was a series of rallies on April 15, 2009, that attracted at least 300,000 protesters in about 350 locations around the country.

Identifying news coverage of the Tea Party protests by searching for the term “tea party” in conjunction with “demonstration,” “protest” or “rally,” and adjusting the figures in a manner similar to that for the Wall Street protests, finds that they produced 769 media hits on April 15, 2009, and 1,016 the next day — more than in any single day for the Wall Street protests.

Unlike the Wall Street protests, however, the Tea Party rallies were a one-day event, and coverage declined thereafter, to an average of 215 media hits per day over the three-week period from April 15 to May 5, 2009.

By contrast, the Occupy Wall Street protests have been covered in an average of 144 articles per day in the three weeks of their existence. In the aggregate, this is about two-thirds as much coverage as the Tea Party protests received.

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Coverage of the Wall Street protests continues to increase, however, and could surpass that given to the Tea Party rallies in April and May 2009 if it remains at its current levels for several more days.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/police-clashes-spur-coverage-of-wall-street-protests/

http://www.mrc.org/realitycheck/realitycheck/2011/20111013100045.aspx

The Occupy Wall Street protestors have received overwhelmingly positive coverage from the Big Three (ABC, CBS, NBC) news networks, as they used their airtime to publicize and promote the aggressively leftist movement. In just the first eleven days of October, ABC, CBS and NBC flooded their morning and evening newscasts with a whopping 33 full stories or interview segments on the protesters. This was a far cry from the greeting the Tea Party received from the Big Three as that conservative protest movement was initially ignored (only 13 total stories in all of 2009) and then reviled.


There is a difference between the major network coverage referenced by the Media Research Center and the vague "media hits" referred to by this Nate Silver person.
That should be clear even to you.
(But Silver has a chart!!!
With colors, and lines, and numbers, and everything!!!
Doesn't take much to impress you, does it?)


happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
Since Occupy is now an ongoing event it's only natural that they would be covered daily vs the birth of the tea party which were one day events
Since when does a crowd of unwashed people who don’t even know what they want warrant daily major media news coverage?
The media might as well cover a homeless camp under some viaduct; it might be less odorific, and more enlightening.
But I guess you’re right in one aspect: it really is not a major news story when a group of people, namely the Tea Party people, congregate for a day and then go off to lead productive existences. But I guess it could be a major news story when a group of people with no visible means of support manages to foul portions of the public recreational areas, business areas, and thoroughfares for nearly a month straight.

happy jack wrote:
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Looks like I can officially chalk this discussion up as another win Laughing
Hey, tell yourself whatever you want - whatever gets you through the night. If you acknowledge the below statement as being factual, then yes, you win.

But I guess it could be a major news story when a group of people with no visible means of support manages to foul portions of the public recreational areas, business areas, and thoroughfares for nearly a month straight.

Congratulations! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/16/2011, 3:49 am

Artie60438 wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I've got an account with Chase I've been meaning to close. Good idea starting a separate thread.

I opened up a Centier account months ago. The difference between them and Chase is night and day. My online banking is fantastic. Chase's was anything but... The tellers are quick and attentive. They can help an entire line of customers in the amount of time it takes a teller at Chase to take care of one person. They aren't credit card peddlers. I was offered a credit card at Chase just about every time I walked in. I'll tell anybody protesting or not that the differences between my experiences with and services offered at Centier are night and day.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/16/2011, 4:15 am

Found a great article, which excellently explains why you won't see me at any "Occupy" rallies anytime soon.

Top 10 things tea party and 'Occupy' have in common

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3. BYOA: 'Bring your own agenda'

The tea party started as a hodgepodge of people venting about code enforcement, socialism, gun rights, income taxes, congressional spending, Muslims, health care reform and President Barack Obama.

The occupy movement is a hodgepodge of folks venting against greed, marijuana laws, war, corporate welfare, student loan debt, campaign-finance laws and presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

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4. A rush to discredit

Quick, who is the least credible human being to a liberal? Answer: an anti-intellectual racist who hates taxes but went to public schools and drove to the protest on public roads. Not coincidentally, that’s how liberal bloggers and TV pundits rushed to portray all tea partiers in liberal media outlets.

Quick, who is the least credible person to a conservative? Answer: a pot-smoking, Ivy League-educated slacker who loves his iPhone and American Eagle jeans, yet hates business and goes you-know-what on patrol cars. Predictably, that’s how conservative radio hosts and columnists have rushed to portray all occupiers.

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6. Hypocrisy

It’s hard to accept retirees on Social Security and Medicare protesting socialism and deficit spending at tea party rallies while protesting changes to their entitlements. It’s just as hard to accept hipsters with $90 sandals, $500 tents and $250 smartphones protesting profit and corporate influence.

I didn't want to post them all, but I felt the need to at least share my top 3. Though the rest are also very worth reading... I cannot take the movement seriously, and I politically identify myself to the left of the Democratic Party. I'll say what I always say to my whining liberal friends, and that is learn your damn lesson this time and quit sitting out of elections.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/16/2011, 7:19 am

paul87920 wrote:

I didn't want to post them all, but I felt the need to at least share my top 3. Though the rest are also very worth reading... I cannot take the movement seriously, and I politically identify myself to the left of the Democratic Party. I'll say what I always say to my whining liberal friends, and that is learn your damn lesson this time and quit sitting out of elections.
Paul,Occupy has brought new energy for those of us on the left and I believe that will translate into more voters showing up,especially since 2012 will be a POTUS election.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/16/2011, 9:56 am

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Paul,Occupy has brought new energy for those of us on the left ....
Not only has it brought new energy - just think of all the energy (and soap, water, and deodorant) being conserved by those occupistas who refuse to bathe!
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/17/2011, 1:14 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
paul87920 wrote:

I didn't want to post them all, but I felt the need to at least share my top 3. Though the rest are also very worth reading... I cannot take the movement seriously, and I politically identify myself to the left of the Democratic Party. I'll say what I always say to my whining liberal friends, and that is learn your damn lesson this time and quit sitting out of elections.
Paul,Occupy has brought new energy for those of us on the left and I believe that will translate into more voters showing up,especially since 2012 will be a POTUS election.

Yeah, well let's not forget that the the GOP is hell bent on disenfranchising millions of student voters in the 2012 elections. The fix is in, and it's going to be a very heavy lift for the Democrats to prevent the Republicans from stealing the next election.

Millions of students will be forced to "sit out of the election," not because they don't care, but because the "Banana Republicans" won't let them vote.

http://www.campusprogress.org/articles/conservative_corporate_advocacy_group_alec_behind_voter_disenfranchise/

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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/17/2011, 9:25 pm

Scorpion wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:

Paul,Occupy has brought new energy for those of us on the left and I believe that will translate into more voters showing up,especially since 2012 will be a POTUS election.

Yeah, well let's not forget that the the GOP is hell bent on disenfranchising millions of student voters in the 2012 elections. The fix is in, and it's going to be a very heavy lift for the Democrats to prevent the Republicans from stealing the next election.

Millions of students will be forced to "sit out of the election," not because they don't care, but because the "Banana Republicans" won't let them vote.

http://www.campusprogress.org/articles/conservative_corporate_advocacy_group_alec_behind_voter_disenfranchise/
One of the things that obviously needs to be addressed at these rallies is to help those at risk of being disenfranchised get the proper documentation needed.

Another article about the right's war on voting.. Study: New Voting Restrictions May Affect More than Five Million
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/18/2011, 10:15 am

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“After the Florida election fiasco in 2000, it became clear that the rules of election administration could affect outcomes ....”


Of course the rules of election administration affect the outcome.
As was clearly proven in Florida in 2000, you follow the rules, you ignore those who were too stupid to properly cast their votes, you don't spend a month attempting to miraculously 'divine the intent' of those too stupid to properly cast their votes, you count the votes, and you declare a victor.
See how easy that was?
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/18/2011, 1:47 pm

happy jack wrote:
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“After the Florida election fiasco in 2000, it became clear that the rules of election administration could affect outcomes ....”


Of course the rules of election administration affect the outcome.
As was clearly proven in Florida in 2000, you follow the rules, you ignore those who were too stupid to properly cast their votes, you don't spend a month attempting to miraculously 'divine the intent' of those too stupid to properly cast their votes, you count the votes, and you declare a victor.
See how easy that was?

You mean how easy it is to cherry pick an article, pull out one quote, and ignore the fact that the Republican Party is attempting to steal the upcoming election by preventing the casting of ballots by voters who tend to vote Democratic?

Yeah. I'll bet that is easy for you. I just don't understand why it's so easy for you to sign onto policies that deny American citizens their fundamental right to vote.

Winning an election by denying people their right to vote is anathema to everything that our country stands for...
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/18/2011, 5:54 pm

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You mean how easy it is to cherry pick an article, pull out one quote, and ignore the fact that the Republican Party is attempting to steal the upcoming election by preventing the casting of ballots by voters who tend to vote Democratic?

Yeah. I'll bet that is easy for you. I just don't understand why it's so easy for you to sign onto policies that deny American citizens their fundamental right to vote.

Winning an election by denying people their right to vote is anathema to everything that our country stands for...

Nobody is denying anyone anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/18/2011, 6:51 pm

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I'll bet that is easy for you. I just don't understand why it's so easy for you to sign onto policies that deny American citizens their fundamental right to vote.

It's the revitalized GOP. Go Red or go home. I think it really is that simple - do whatever is best for the next election and that's it.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/19/2011, 2:19 pm

Heretic wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
I'll bet that is easy for you. I just don't understand why it's so easy for you to sign onto policies that deny American citizens their fundamental right to vote.

It's the revitalized GOP. Go Red or go home. I think it really is that simple - do whatever is best for the next election and that's it.

Yep. But if they're at all concerned with legitimacy, they shouldn't be in the business of rigging elections. If millions of voters are prevented from casting ballots in the next election, then millions of Americans will rightfully question the legitimacy of the results.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/19/2011, 8:56 pm

Scorpion wrote:
You mean how easy it is to cherry pick an article, pull out one quote, and ignore the fact that the Republican Party is attempting to steal the upcoming election by preventing the casting of ballots by voters who tend to vote Democratic?

I read this, and I saw the map you posted. I'm not quite sure I follow. Are they preventing out-of-state students from voting in the state they go to college in, or making it harder to vote absentee, or making it impossible for students to declare residency in either state?

I'm asking because I've never experience any issues. Mostly because I'm fortunate enough to both live and go to school in a state that hosts some of the finest universities.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/20/2011, 10:04 am

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If millions of voters are prevented from casting ballots in the next election ....
No one is being prevented from casting ballots.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/20/2011, 10:49 am

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But if they're at all concerned with legitimacy...

They're not, as jack continues to highlight for us. That's the unfortunate truth.
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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/20/2011, 12:34 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Occupy Wall Street   10/20/2011, 12:52 pm

paul87920 wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
You mean how easy it is to cherry pick an article, pull out one quote, and ignore the fact that the Republican Party is attempting to steal the upcoming election by preventing the casting of ballots by voters who tend to vote Democratic?

I read this, and I saw the map you posted. I'm not quite sure I follow. Are they preventing out-of-state students from voting in the state they go to college in, or making it harder to vote absentee, or making it impossible for students to declare residency in either state?

I'm asking because I've never experience any issues. Mostly because I'm fortunate enough to both live and go to school in a state that hosts some of the finest universities.

The new laws aimed at suppressing the college vote vary from state to state, Paul, but the article from Campus Progress sums it up pretty well...

http://www.campusprogress.org/articles/conservative_corporate_advocacy_group_alec_behind_voter_disenfranchise/

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According to research by the Fair Elections Legal Network (FELN) and Campus Progress, in the past six years, seven states have enacted laws that disenfranchise students or make it more difficult for them to vote. This year, 18 additional states are considering similar laws, while other states are proposing voter ID laws that would depress turnout among other groups of voters—particularly those who traditionally lean left.

These requirements run the gamut from requiring in-state driver’s licenses, to banning school IDs, to prohibiting first-time voters—essentially every college-aged voter—from voting by absentee ballot. All together, these barriers create new logistical and financial barriers for many people attempting to vote.
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