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PostSubject: The Race Card .... again   9/28/2011, 6:56 am

Ms. Hunter is too stupid to realize how stupid she has made herself look.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/associated-press-transcription-obama-cbc-speech-racist-173438340.html

Was the Associated Press transcription of Obama’s CBC speech ‘racist’?


By Dylan Stableford | The Cutline – Mon, Sep 26, 2011


By most accounts, President Obama gave a fiery speech at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation's annual awards dinner in Washington, D.C., on Saturday, telling blacks to "quit crying and complaining" and support him in the fight for jobs, according to the Associated Press. But was the AP transcription of Obama's remarks racist?
That's the subject currently being debated after the issue was raised on Chris Hayes' MSNBC show on Sunday.
On MSNBC, the African-American author Karen Hunter complained the news service transcribed Obama's speech without cleaning it up as other outlets did--specifically including the "dropped g's."
Via the AP version:
"Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes," he said, his voice rising as applause and cheers mounted. "Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."
Hunter called the AP's version "inherently racist," sparring with New Republic contributing editor and noted linguistics expert John McWhorter, who argued the g-less version "is actually the correct one," noting that the president's victory in the 2008 election was due, in part, to how effortlessly "he can switch into that [black] dialect."
Whatever the reason, Hunter found it offensive. "I teach a journalism class, and I tell my students to fix people's grammar, because you don't want them to sound ignorant," she said. "For them to do that, it's code, and I don't like it."
It's worth noting that the same sorts of arguments arose during George W. Bush's presidency, with the White House cleaning up the president's speeches to make him sound smarter, and news outlets sometimes not doing so.
According to Mark Smith, the AP reporter who filed the story, Obama was making a point by dropping his g's, making the transcription a no-brainer.
"Normally, I lean toward the clean-it-up school of quote transcribing—for everyone," Smith told Mediaite. "But in this case, the President appeared to be making such a point of dropping Gs, and doing so in a rhythmic fashion, that for me to insert them would run clearly counter to his meaning. I believe I was respecting his intent in this. Certainly disrespect was the last thing I intended."
"The AP Stylebook counsels against using spellings like gonna or wanna--or in this case, complainin' and cryin'--'in attempts to convey regional dialects or informal pronunciations, except to help a desired touch or to convey an emphasis by the speaker,'" Tom Kent, the AP deputy managing editor for standards and production, said in a statement to The Cutline. "In this case, our reporter, who was there in person, felt the spellings were appropriate to convey a particular touch that President Obama appeared to be intentionally making use of."
Conservative bloggers agree--mainly because the story showed Obama pandering to a black base.
"The first job of a journalist is to report a story as accurately as possible," Howard Portnoy wrote on HotAir.com. "Part of the job of reporting Obama's speech last night was to highlight his obvious pandering, which is borne of desperation. The only element missing from the story is whether any of the listeners were offended by the president's 'blaccent.'"
"The AP did not print the words as written for the president," Mike Opelka wrote on Glenn Beck-owned TheBlaze.com, "instead choosing to transcribe the speech with what might be considered a bit more accuracy."
"He was specifically, and intentionally, using an African-American linguistic style to emphasize his message," a conservative blog called the Last Refuge noted.
"Now that the presidential campaign season has begun," Courtland Milloy wrote in an op-ed column for the Washington Post, "it's okay for President Obama to openly court black people again."


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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/28/2011, 8:18 am

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"I teach a journalism class..."

Well, now we know at least one person responsible for the current sad state of American journalism...
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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/28/2011, 3:37 pm

"For them to do that, it's code ....

Oh, no!
The dreaded 'dog whistle'!
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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/28/2011, 4:22 pm

How did he pander by telling them to quit their bellyaching and get to work?
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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/28/2011, 4:51 pm

Yeah. Well I agree that this is much ado about nothing. I've seen no complaints from the White House about the transcription and I certainly see no reason to doubt the sincerity of the reporter who filed the story.

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According to Mark Smith, the AP reporter who filed the story, Obama was making a point by dropping his g's, making the transcription a no-brainer.

"Normally, I lean toward the clean-it-up school of quote transcribing—for everyone," Smith told Mediaite. "But in this case, the President appeared to be making such a point of dropping Gs, and doing so in a rhythmic fashion, that for me to insert them would run clearly counter to his meaning. I believe I was respecting his intent in this. Certainly disrespect was the last thing I intended."

KarenT wrote:
How did he pander by telling them to quit their bellyaching and get to work?

Don't you mean bellyachin'?

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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/28/2011, 5:05 pm

Scorpion wrote:


KarenT wrote:
How did he pander by telling them to quit their bellyaching and get to work?

Don't you mean bellyachin'?

There's no need to be correctin' the other posters.
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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/28/2011, 5:12 pm

KarenT wrote:
How did he pander by telling them to quit their bellyaching and get to work?
I think the 'pandering' comment was in reference to Obama's condescending to his audience by speaking in a stereotypical dialect, a dialect which would get a white Republican crucified if he were caught speaking to a black audience in such a manner.
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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/28/2011, 8:25 pm

I thought pandering meant sucking up - mybad. BTW - ing is just habitual typing, like the. Old habits die hard. Notice I said typing, not keyboarding.
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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/28/2011, 9:09 pm

KarenT wrote:
I thought pandering meant sucking up - mybad.
It means exactly that.
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Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. The term is most notably associated with politics. In pandering, the views one is verbally expressing are merely for the purpose of drawing support up to and including votes and do not necessarily reflect one's personal values.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandering_%28politics%29

For example,today,Rick Perry pandered to the we hate brown people crowd...
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry said Wednesday that he erred in last week's presidential debate, when he said that opponents of in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants were heartless.

Perry said it was "inappropriate" for him to make the comment, on which other Republican presidential candidates -- especially former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney -- have seized.

"I probably chose a poor word to explain that. For people who don't want their state to be giving tuition to illegal aliens, illegal immigrants in this country, that's their call; I respect that," Perry told the conservative magazine Newsmax in an interview posted online Thursday. "I was probably a bit over-passionate by using that word and it was inappropriate."

The interview seeks to temper the fallout from last Thursday's debate in Florida, when he defended in stark terms the legislation he'd approved as governor that granted in-state college tuition to the children of illegal immigrants. Rick Perry pandered to the we hate minorities crowd by....
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/28/8017837-perry-heartless-comment-on-immigration-was-inappropriate
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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/29/2011, 12:48 am

KarenT wrote:
BTW - ing is just habitual typing, like the. Old habits die hard. Notice I said typing, not keyboarding.

Wow. I guess we really do need a sarcasm font. I was just kidding, Karen.
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PostSubject: Re: The Race Card .... again   9/29/2011, 4:20 am

Artie60438 wrote:
KarenT wrote:
I thought pandering meant sucking up - mybad.
It means exactly that.

Right.
In fact, I can use the word in a sentence.

Obama pandered to his audience by speaking in a stereotypical dialect, one which he apparently believes all the lesser Negroes speak, hoping to make them think he had something in common with them.


See how easy that was?
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