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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   6/4/2011, 11:06 am

Hi...just read in the Chicago Tribune on Friday the third of June the same headline exact words I used to start the topic on this.

I do recall reading ninety percent of the cars at the Horsehoe were IL plates. While interviewing one patron who drives 45 miles from Cicago three times a month to go to the Horseshoe...he told the reporter who wrote the article "Heck, yeah, I would definitely go to a Chicago casino instead of the Horseshoe, it would be closer."

There was opposition to landing one because people felt it would draw crime. There was a line about Calumet City or nearby Ford Heights and you could not pay me to go near either location. There was a white guy who stole my winnings out of the machine at the E.C. And tar Ed that exact amount being cashed out at the machine where you cash out tickets...leaving. A whole 74.00 in winnings while I was conversing being distracted by his partner in crime. The casino did give me 35.00 to compensate...never went back there again. I have two friends who were robbed at casinos in IN after winning..heading towards their car.

I must add that in the article printed yesterday they described the casinos Along the shore of Lake Michigan as being placed in a blighted portion of Indiana. The mayor was quoted as saying something along the line of no problem. Without mentioning who HIGGS was...they said something to the effect that Higgs said it would kill the Casino in Hammond.

Glad Higgs is now speaking as if he is the mayor. Just found the article by Andy Grimm, entitled with the headline, "Would Casino sink Indiana boats?"

Page 8, Chicago Tribune

Andy Grimm, Tribune Reporter,Friday, June 3rd, 2011.

Mayor McDermott sounded positive... Oh shuts...it was a guy called Hicks...not Higgs. It said 9 out of 10cars are IL plates at the Horseshoe.

I am on my son's laptop low juice but the article ends with the columnist's, email.....agrimm@tribune.com
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   6/4/2011, 4:13 pm

UrRight wrote:
Hi...just read in the Chicago Tribune on Friday the third of June the same headline exact words I used to start the topic on this.

I do recall reading ninety percent of the cars at the Horsehoe were IL plates. While interviewing one patron who drives 45 miles from Cicago three times a month to go to the Horseshoe...he told the reporter who wrote the article "Heck, yeah, I would definitely go to a Chicago casino instead of the Horseshoe, it would be closer."
Unless you're the worlds worst chain smoker it's a no brainer.
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I must add that in the article printed yesterday they described the casinos Along the shore of Lake Michigan as being placed in a blighted portion of Indiana. The mayor was quoted as saying something along the line of no problem. Without mentioning who HIGGS was...they said something to the effect that Higgs said it would kill the Casino in Hammond.
It won't kill it,but things will change dramatically.

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Glad Higgs is now speaking as if he is the mayor. Just found the article by Andy Grimm, entitled with the headline, "Would Casino sink Indiana boats?"

Page 8, Chicago Tribune

Andy Grimm, Tribune Reporter,Friday, June 3rd, 2011.

Mayor McDermott sounded positive... Oh shuts...it was a guy called Hicks...not Higgs. It said 9 out of 10cars are IL plates at the Horseshoe.
I heard the Mayor's comments. I thought they were very honest and I think he understands the situation well. EC and Gary have the most to worry about.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   6/5/2011, 10:44 am

Quite a few years ago I would go to Michigan and my sis, dad and mom would drive to the Blue Chip. Lot of pat tons told me that Blue Chip found it easier to pay fines from the state of IN or gaming board than to pay out to patrons a certain percentage amount.

So, they ruined their reputation many years ago. Supposedly it was printed in a Michigan newspaper.

So now you have the Four Winds which pays out generously and not only that you get rewarded gracious giveaways just fair going. My goodness my parents rarely had gone but got notifications to attend andq pick up luxurious white robes...expensive appliances such as the latest toaster, coffee maker, grilling toaster, pots and pans...they gave them away to us kids. My parents limited themselves to 100.00 per visit and won a good few bucks but did not go every month.

Blue Chip screwed themselves like the Majestic. They do not and never did pay out once Trump pulled out. They screwed themselves for sure.

I have visited Harrah's in Joliet and u can tell the manual slots are fixed. HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING TO ANY CASINO AGAIN. AND, HAVE NOT GONE ....CAN't even remember the last time I went. By the wY, heard Grand Rapids in MIis opening a casino.

So far 2 people I know from friends in MI committed suicide after gambling themselves to death. One was a nephew of the guy who built my dad's retirement home on the lake. He left a note on his front door...where to find him. Tom, the uncle ran to a nearby pond..dragged him out of the edge of the pond. Brain blown apart all due to blowing all the money on the Blue Chip. Left behind a wife and two young children. The other one shot himself in the head too, because of gambling.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/18/2011, 8:40 am

With all the discussion we've had about the Illinois gambling expansion bill,we completely overlooked this.
A new casino in Des Plaines,Il,Rivers Casino opens today. I' predicting that they are going to have a significant impact on Indiana casino revenues with Indiana losing upwards of 10% of their gaming revenue.
The fact is that now everyone living north of Roosevelt Rd (1200 South) is in closer proximity to "Rivers" and the commute doesn't involve paying the tolls on the Skyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/19/2011, 5:48 am

Senator Cullerton has been keeping the gamblim' bill from Quinn long enough, that the Sun-Times is running a calendar on it. It was day 47 last weekend, and Cullerton is doing it on purpose so it can't be signed by Quinn in time. Typical maneuvers. He and Madigan need to go.

The boat in Michigan City, IN had a long reputation of not paying out a mandatory percentage to patrons, and I have reported on it long before that it was exposed in the Kalamazoo Gazzette, and people in Michigan were peeved.

Blue Chip got fined over and over by the state of Indiana. The boat found it cheaper to pay fines than to allow the machines set to pay out the required percentage to players.

It is known the Indians at Four Winds are very generous in payouts and very generous in promotions, giving away expensive items to lure you back. I don't patronize it, just visited it once. My mom and sister go there every once in awhile, and said nothing would lure them back to the Blue Chip. Too late for Blue Chip.

The more I read about the casinos' loss of revenue, I don't think people gamble like they used to. With what? No jobs, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/19/2011, 5:49 am

Casino workers leaving Horseshoe for a position in Chicago are NOT indispensible today. 2,500 people in line for how many jobs will be the result at Horseshoe.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/19/2011, 6:28 am

Well, found an interesting article where they opened a casino yesterday near Rosemont, IL. Again, Hammond's boat is again mentioned. Future gambling sites are mentioned. Personally, they all suck.

I found the comments from those that were interviewed by the columnist, Mark Brown, kind of interesting.

http://www.suntimes.com/6577609-417/cha-ching-new-rivers-casino-opens-to-big-crowd-horrible-traffic.html
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/19/2011, 7:33 am

UrRight wrote:
Senator Cullerton has been keeping the gamblim' bill from Quinn long enough, that the Sun-Times is running a calendar on it. It was day 47 last weekend, and Cullerton is doing it on purpose so it can't be signed by Quinn in time. Typical maneuvers. He and Madigan need to go.
That's not what is happening. The bill is being held so that it can be tweaked a little to satisfy Gov Quinn.. I believe the reason for this is to give Quinn some cover when he finally signs it.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/21/2011, 7:55 pm

Ok, ARTIE...let's bet.. All the boats suffer. LOL The politicians in every state want to cut out everything but their entitlements, i.e., nice salaries for never working..nice pensions, nice insurance, multiple positions, more pensions....

They are the WELFARE PARASITES. Getting back to the boats...they all will sink. No one has money and misses the "ching, ching" rain-full of money filling their buckets.

I enjoyed those days. Changing to video machines, well, the old folks kept their soc. sec. and stayed home. No fun without the blue light specials, waiting for the waiter to dole out the cash.

That's the real flunk of a thing they did. It's no fun with paper tickets coming out. And...for the most part...the one cent, two cent, three cents turn out to be more than dollar only machines. The minimum bets never bring in. You play all lines, it means $2.50 a shot. Screw them.

It's a waste of money and the atmosphere is NOT there. People rush to see what's there, then leave. I can't believe Harrah's is surviving in Joliet. Went there to see what was going on the other day with a friend...no money spent. No one in there. LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/22/2011, 7:42 am

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Getting back to the boats...they all will sink. No one has money and misses the "ching, ching" rain-full of money filling their buckets.

That's the real flunk of a thing they did. It's no fun with paper tickets coming out. And...for the most part...the one cent, two cent, three cents turn out to be more than dollar only machines. The minimum bets never bring in. You play all lines, it means $2.50 a shot. Screw them.

Tough day at the boat UR?
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/22/2011, 10:30 am

id hate to remind everyone but illinois is not the largest threat to indianas boats. that my friends would be the indiana legislature which, after a couple years of quiet dormancy regarding the regions boat money, has slowly started to eat away at the pie again. first it was the flawed and failed little cal plan to steal money from gary and hammond. then it was the successfull plan that has taken nearly a third of ecs boat money away. not bad idea in itself considering the second century debacle. but when it takes that money from the city and simply puts it in the state legislatures hands to give out instead...well...its the genesis of a problem that will grow with time. and eventually hurt all communities.

competition doesnt have to be a bad thing. in fact if done right it could be a very good thing for the entire local industry. but it takes vision and cooperation with each other and the legislature and even the states to be of benefit to all. thus far the lack thereof, thats the real threat
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/22/2011, 12:23 pm

the oracle wrote:

competition doesnt have to be a bad thing. in fact if done right it could be a very good thing for the entire local industry.
How do you come to that conclusion? As I've stated before,there are only so many gamblers and only so much available disposable income to them. The lottery in both our states and the horse racing industry are proof of what happens when new forms and venues for gambling are introduced. Neither take in anywhere near what they did before casino gambling came to town. I pointed earlier what happened when Blue Chip and Four Winds opened. They took customers away from other properties.

Competition helps places like Vegas because it's a resort destination and attracts tourists from far away. No tourists are coming to either of our states to gamble in casinos.

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but it takes vision and cooperation with each other and the legislature and even the states to be of benefit to all. thus far the lack thereof, thats the real threat
Ha ha ha! Good luck with that. These boats are predators whose only goal is to take every cent they can from people.

As far as our states cooperating with each other??? That's an even bigger joke. Here in Illinois we get to listen to Mitch Daniels boasting about how many jobs he's going to poach from Illinois. For years we've been sick of seeing our residents bring their money to IN casinos and get nothing in return except the negative social issues that come from gambling. It's similar as to how you guys in IN probably feel seeing all the Indiana plated cars coming over each Sunday to buy booze in Ill.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/23/2011, 9:33 pm

A good example is the book stores in Hobart. Barnes and Noble was doing very well and was one of the chains best performing stores. Then Borders came into the Southlake mall. There simply wasn't enough business to support two bookstores so both went under. You can try to blame the internet, Kindles, etc but the bottom line is that there was a misjudgement of the market. Oversaturation of casinos will have similar undesired results.

Better prepare now for life without gaming revenue. If it continues, then it's a bonus.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/24/2011, 1:43 am

actually as far and barnes and noble and borders go competition wasnt the main issue. both are now headed out of buisness with one of them having announced this week they are closing all of their stores everywhere.

but i digress.

ya want the indiana casino industry to prosper regardless of other states? i proposed this years ago when i was on the radio (in the calumet press) and a legislator actually ran with it (well incrementally anyway) for a while till the downstate folks put an end to it. anyway here goes again.

number 1

allow landbased.

number 2

let them give away alcohol till their hearts content. (which, along with several problems for law enforcement, would also increase casino hotel occupancy btw).

number 3

change the city liscense holders of the current casinoes, and instead group the casinoes in seperate portions of the state that are willing to host them as well as qualify for such in terms of population and transportation access. these casino cities would have to agree to cap thier revenue portion...pretty close to where it is now (the cities losing the casinoes would need to be reimbursed for any losses. for the most part over cost of infrastructure and added public safety, the only benefit the casino cities would get is the added jobs, and potential travellers, but under my proposal that benefit would be exponentially larger. the struggling casinoes would eagerly move from a dead city (mich city for example) to such a casino city (i actually suggested it would be possible for example for gary/hammond share such a corridor along 12/20 and mich ave area.

my arguement was if the state wants to depend on gaming revenue, and clearly it does to keep its coffers filled, it needs to do it properly in a way that would be most likely to succeed long term and result in the largest possible revenue pool. such a casino corridor with maybe a half dozen casino/hotels/venues bunched together in say 3 parts of the state would encourage weekend trippers from throughout the midwest to occasionally by pass their local boats for something different. and since the cities losing boats would be reimbursed for their losses it wouldnt be the end of the world for them.

river boats were a dumb idea from the outset...ok mississipi or ohio river they may have made sense...but in indiana they were simply a way to restrict some cities (indianapolis in particular when the original law was passed) from having them. its long past time we got past that.

anyway that was the jist of the idea. it will probably never happen in indiana. but it will happen somewhere in the midwest. and whomever does it first will reap major revenue for their state coffers. and i still think its the best possible way to maximize the potential revenue and benefit for all.
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/29/2011, 9:55 am

BigFan wrote:
UrRight wrote:
Getting back to the boats...they all will sink. No one has money and misses the "ching, ching" rain-full of money filling their buckets.

That's the real flunk of a thing they did. It's no fun with paper tickets coming out. And...for the most part...the one cent, two cent, three cents turn out to be more than dollar only machines. The minimum bets never bring in. You play all lines, it means $2.50 a shot. Screw them.

Tough day at the boat UR?

Yep....after working all day!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Do You Think A Casino in Chicago Will Affect the Hammond Casino?   7/29/2011, 9:38 pm

It's exhausting...following someone who thinks they will win. Playing one penny at a time.

Just like years ago, yawning, waiting for them to "piss it away". Gotta kiss azz sometimes. If that's "their thing", it's no different than politics...only it's "office politics".

I had a good time watching "them" pissin' it away. I walked out as rich as I walked in. :hehehe:
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