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PostSubject: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/19/2011, 3:59 pm

… President Obama, … a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.
… he’s always had to fear being a white man with black skin.

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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/19/2011, 6:05 pm

WTF is this, Jack? If you're going to post a quote, please provide a frickin' link.

And most importantly, tell us why the hell you posted this. What's your point?
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/19/2011, 8:05 pm

Scorpion wrote:
WTF is this, Jack? If you're going to post a quote, please provide a frickin' link.

And most importantly, tell us why the hell you posted this. What's your point?
He just can't stand a black president...and a democrat too boot...that's why!
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/19/2011, 8:57 pm

Scorpion wrote:
WTF is this, Jack? If you're going to post a quote, please provide a frickin' link.

And most importantly, tell us why the hell you posted this. What's your point?
Dreadfully sorry, old chap.


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2011/05/west_obama_a_bl.html

West: Obama 'a black mascot' and 'black puppet'

By Matt Viser, Globe Staff

Cornel West, a Princeton University professor and leading black intellectual, is harshly criticizing President Obama, a candidate he once supported but now calls “a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.”
West, a former Harvard University professor, said during an interview with the website Truthdig posted yesterday that the president has not been true to his race.
“I think my dear brother Barack Obama has a certain fear of free black men,” West said. “It’s understandable. As a young brother who grows up in a white context, brilliant African father, he’s always had to fear being a white man with black skin. All he has known culturally is white…When he meets an independent black brother, it is frightening.”
The White House did not have an immediate comment. West did not respond to messages left at his office.
Republicans have questioned Obama’s origins — to the point where he felt compelled to release his long-form birth certificate to prove he was born in Hawaii — but West also uses Obama’s past to draw into question the president’s racial bearings.
“Obama, coming out of Kansas influence, white, loving grandparents, coming out of Hawaii and Indonesia, when he meets these independent black folk who have a history of slavery, Jim Crow, Jane Crow and so on, he is very apprehensive,” West said. “He has a certain rootlessness, a deracination. It is understandable.”
West is a professor at Princeton's Center for African American Studies and is the author of "Race Matters." He was a professor at Harvard, but left in 2002 amid quarrels with then-president Lawrence Summers.
West also recounts personal slights — that his phone calls didn’t get returned, and that he couldn’t get a ticket with his mother and brother to the inauguration.
It is not the first time West has raised questions about Obama. Last year, during an interview with NPR, he said he wished the president were more “Martin Luther King-like.”

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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/19/2011, 8:59 pm

chuckmo48 wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
WTF is this, Jack? If you're going to post a quote, please provide a frickin' link.

And most importantly, tell us why the hell you posted this. What's your point?
He just can't stand a black president...and a democrat too boot...that's why!
Yes, chuckmo - apparently, "He just can't stand a black president...and a democrat too boot...that's why!"
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/19/2011, 9:34 pm

happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
WTF is this, Jack? If you're going to post a quote, please provide a frickin' link.

And most importantly, tell us why the hell you posted this. What's your point?
Dreadfully sorry, old chap.

Scorpion asked "What's your point"? You plan on answering him?
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/19/2011, 9:47 pm

chuckmo48 wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
WTF is this, Jack? If you're going to post a quote, please provide a frickin' link.

And most importantly, tell us why the hell you posted this. What's your point?
He just can't stand a black president...and a democrat too boot...that's why!
Looks like he's just throwing a tantrum....
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West has openly complained that Obama didn't give him and his family tickets to the inauguration and stopped responding to his phone calls. These personal details were unleashed among a torrent of more political complaints, but still stand out because they seem to represent the real beef West has with the President. Yes, the Ivy League professor with plenty of intelligent ideas is throwing a big baby fit because he did not get the invitations he wanted.

So let's get this straight: Give West tickets to your inauguration, tickets he wants to procure by using his status as a member of the intellectual elite OR be blasted for being too status conscious and trying to procure favors with the elite. Does that sound about right?
http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/120612/cornel_west_attacks_obama_acts

Or he's auditioning for a job on the Fake News channel.
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/19/2011, 9:48 pm

Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
WTF is this, Jack? If you're going to post a quote, please provide a frickin' link.

And most importantly, tell us why the hell you posted this. What's your point?
Dreadfully sorry, old chap.

Scorpion asked "What's your point"? You plan on answering him?
Why, because it was in the national and international news, and this is the Nation/World forum.
Any other questions?
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/19/2011, 9:59 pm

happy jack wrote:
Artie60438 wrote:
happy jack wrote:

Dreadfully sorry, old chap.

Scorpion asked "What's your point"? You plan on answering him?
Why, because it was in the national and international news, and this is the Nation/World forum.
Any other questions?

So you have no comment on your own post? What the hell is up with that?
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/20/2011, 1:51 am

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So you have no comment on your own post? What the hell is up with that?

He's hedging his bets. Can't be proven wrong if he never offers an opinion on anything. It's the only safe course of action nowadays for conservatives.
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/20/2011, 4:41 am

My, my, my!
You all are certainly a touchy bunch - talk about killing the messenger.
I could only imagine the stains in your collective panties if I had posted something like that and you all found that it had come from some conservative pundit.
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/20/2011, 8:15 am

happy jack wrote:
I could only imagine the stains in your collective panties if I had posted something like that and you all found that it had come from some conservative pundit.
...no I just would have thought you were trying to copy Moby...
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/20/2011, 8:53 am

happy jack wrote:
My, my, my!
You all are certainly a touchy bunch - talk about killing the messenger.

And what "message" is that? Do you think that we sit around wondering what Cornel West is thinking?
Be honest - Had you even heard of Cornel West before this?

So again, what's your point? It's a fair question. Why are you dodging it?
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/20/2011, 11:01 am

happy jack wrote:
My, my, my!
You all are certainly a touchy bunch...

We were all simply expecting something slightly more substantial than a random quote from a guy on the intarweb; you know... some actual "fresh thoughts on the President" instead of the same trite and old Obama bashing. You didn't explain how or why this is different from any other, if it was an accurate analysis, or if you even agreed. And now you seem even reluctant (or unable) to do so.

happy jack wrote:
talk about killing the messenger.

Yup. Only in the conservative worldview does asking one of them to expound their thoughts get interpreted as some sort of personal attack.
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/20/2011, 7:47 pm

Scorpion wrote:

And what "message" is that?

That Cornel West thinks Obama is pretty much of a douche.

Scorpion wrote:

Do you think that we sit around wondering what Cornel West is thinking?

I wouldn't even hazard a guess as to that.


Scorpion wrote:


Be honest - Had you even heard of Cornel West before this?

Of course. Why wouldn't I have? He's a race-baiting loudmouth extraordinaire.

Scorpion wrote:

So again, what's your point? It's a fair question. Why are you dodging it?
My point?
The point wasn’t mine – it was that of Cornel West, and I merely quoted him.
Is that somehow wrong?
It is a news item, and it was posted as a possible topic of discussion – which, it is fair to say, it has become.
After all, that is kind of the point of a forum, isn’t it?
Seriously, Scorpion – settle down – there is no reason to go all Keith Olbermann on me. If the quotes upset your fragile self, please take it up with Mr. West, not me.

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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/20/2011, 8:15 pm

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Scorpion wrote:

So again, what's your point? It's a fair question. Why are you dodging it?
My point?
The point wasn’t mine – it was that of Cornel West, and I merely quoted him.
Is that somehow wrong?
It is a news item, and it was posted as a possible topic of discussion – which, it is fair to say, it has become.
After all, that is kind of the point of a forum, isn’t it?

No, not really. IMHO, I don't see the point of posting something on a discussion board unless you have an actual opinion on the topic to be discussed. We're all perfectly capable of reading the news. And I think it's "fair to say" that the "topic of discussion" has been more about why you posted the quote.

So why do you think that West's quote is relevant? It's a simple question. I really don't understand why you're refusing to answer it.
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/20/2011, 10:22 pm

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IMHO, I don't see the point of posting something on a discussion board unless you have an actual opinion on the topic to be discussed.
I beg to differ.
Consider it a social experiment. I posted what I posted in order to trigger and observe reactions, and there were reactions, in spades.
Ol' Pavlov gots nothin' on me.
You have your reasons for posting what you post, and I have my reasons.
Is there some sort of problem?
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/21/2011, 8:48 am

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I ran across quite a few.

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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/21/2011, 8:49 am

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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/21/2011, 8:50 am

My personal opinion is he doen't know what the hell he's doing. Doesn't follow the U.S. Constitution.

But, he sure knows how to party!

Now, isn't that some refreshing thoughts? lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/21/2011, 11:33 am

happy jack wrote:
My point?
The point wasn’t mine – it was that of Cornel West, and I merely quoted him.
Is that somehow wrong?

Again, the problem was your topic. We were all expecting "fresh thoughts" and instead we get the more of the same. It was provided with no comment and therefore not way to distinguish it from any of the other noise from Fox News or this forum itself.

So some internet blowhard thinks Obama's a douche. Wow. Boring. So do I. But at least be honest, if any of us started posting random quotes of how big a tool Bush was, your response wouldn't be any different than ours.
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/21/2011, 4:25 pm

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Again, the problem was your topic. We were all expecting "fresh thoughts" and instead we get the more of the same.
Really?
Inasmuch as I never heard anyone say that about Obama before, I thought it was 'fresh'.
Anyway, the reactions were much more amusing than any discussion may have been.
What a hoot.
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/21/2011, 7:04 pm

happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
IMHO, I don't see the point of posting something on a discussion board unless you have an actual opinion on the topic to be discussed.
I beg to differ.
Consider it a social experiment.

Yeah. Well I think I'll just "consider it" as what it really is... nothing more than a dodgy excuse to avoid giving an opinion on a topic that you started.

BTW - Got an opinion on the situation in Libya yet?
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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/21/2011, 7:18 pm

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Really?
Inasmuch as I never heard anyone say that about Obama before, I thought it, was 'fresh'.

Really? Never watch Fox News? Read your own posts? "Obama is a giant douche" was old and unoriginal when Dubya was in office. Hell, I posted as much yesterday. Good try though. We almost believed you weren't a ridiculous partisan hack. Honest.







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PostSubject: Re: Fresh thoughts on the President   5/21/2011, 8:39 pm

Scorpion wrote:
happy jack wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
IMHO, I don't see the point of posting something on a discussion board unless you have an actual opinion on the topic to be discussed.
I beg to differ.
Consider it a social experiment.

Yeah. Well I think I'll just "consider it" as what it really is... nothing more than a dodgy excuse to avoid giving an opinion on a topic that you started.

BTW - Got an opinion on the situation in Libya yet?

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I do. Obama didn't follow the U.S. Constitution in warfare.

I don't think he did any favors suggesting what he suggested to the Prime Minister of Israel. Even his own Demo's disagreed with him.

To start warfare and continue past the 60 days without Congressional input, and approval is breaking the U.S. Constitution.

Period.

And, I don't think he did any good. He just left the country high and dry divided.

Who are we to tell other countries to make peace, yet arm them, send them money.

He hasn't a clue how to be a POTUS and wouldn't be nearly eligible if not for advisors. Therefore, he is disqualified.

Name something he's done for our country. Name a couple hundred things he did for other countries while we drown. Sending 1.6 billion a week to Iraq, the Arabs, whatever, I can't keep track anymore on the statistics.

What never ceases to amaze me, we have crumbling bridges, broken school systems, foreclosures up the azz, people starving, wanting to work...and the numbskull is focused on peace in other foreign countries while taxing U.S. dollars to support THEM.

We are not the world's keeper anymore. He needs to focus on US. This latest tactic by Biden's wife and FLOTUS focusing on the troops' families...do the right thing and bring them home.

All they do is showboat.
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