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PostSubject: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/3/2011, 11:07 am

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/02/kermit-gosnell-murder-cha_n_830553.html

Kermit Gosnell Murder Charges Could Result In Death Penalty

PHILADELPHIA — Prosecutors notified a Philadelphia doctor charged with killing a patient and seven babies at his abortion clinic that they intend to pursue the death penalty against him.
Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 70, ran a filthy West Philadelphia medical practice that served as a pill mill by day and an abortion mill by night, a grand jury concluded in January after a two-year investigation.
The multiple deaths and tender age of the babies – allegedly killed with scissors after being born alive – are the aggravating circumstances that warrant the death penalty for Gosnell, Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore said Wednesday.




Bravo.
Any objections?

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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/3/2011, 11:56 am

happy jack wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/02/kermit-gosnell-murder-cha_n_830553.html

Kermit Gosnell Murder Charges Could Result In Death Penalty

PHILADELPHIA — Prosecutors notified a Philadelphia doctor charged with killing a patient and seven babies at his abortion clinic that they intend to pursue the death penalty against him.
Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 70, ran a filthy West Philadelphia medical practice that served as a pill mill by day and an abortion mill by night, a grand jury concluded in January after a two-year investigation.
The multiple deaths and tender age of the babies – allegedly killed with scissors after being born alive – are the aggravating circumstances that warrant the death penalty for Gosnell, Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore said Wednesday.




Bravo. Any objections?

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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/3/2011, 2:08 pm

happy jack wrote:
Any objections?

Death penalty for murder? No, no objections here.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/3/2011, 5:43 pm

I believe that since anti-abortion laws have made it harder to get an early abortion, there are more of the late ones, which are harder on mothers.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/3/2011, 9:17 pm

Agreed. Outlawing something only ensures there will be an unregulated and more dangerous black market for it. Pretending it will save lives is nothing more than a fantasy.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/4/2011, 1:22 am

KarenT wrote:
I believe that since anti-abortion laws have made it harder to get an early abortion, there are more of the late ones, which are harder on mothers.
Which laws make it easier to get a late-term abortion rather than an early-term abortion?
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/4/2011, 11:35 am

Easier to go to an illegal, unregulated hack job like this instead of an actual, more expensive doctor.

It's the same mechanics that make marijuana more available to children than alcohol.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/5/2011, 10:41 am

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Easier to go to an illegal, unregulated hack job like this instead of an actual, more expensive doctor.
Since taking the easy way out seems to be very important to you, it’s also easier to attempt to drive home with a .49 blood alcohol content than it is to surrender your keys, rustle up a taxi, and pay the expensive cab fare. Would you prefer to abolish those 'inconvenient' laws against drunk driving, too?
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/5/2011, 11:17 am

Heretic wrote:
Easier to go to an illegal, unregulated hack job like this instead of an actual, more expensive doctor.

It's the same mechanics that make marijuana more available to children than alcohol.
Meanwhile John Boehner R-Clueless's attempt to defund Planned Parenthood will definitely end up causing more abortions and more trips to the hacks like you pointed out.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/5/2011, 11:25 am

happy jack wrote:
Heretic wrote:
Easier to go to an illegal, unregulated hack job like this instead of an actual, more expensive doctor.
Since taking the easy way out seems to be very important to you, it’s also easier to attempt to drive home with a .49 blood alcohol content than it is to surrender your keys, rustle up a taxi, and pay the expensive cab fare. Would you prefer to abolish those 'inconvenient' laws against drunk driving, too?

Rolling Eyes Yes, 'cause I so love dead children.

Glad we can keep this remotely grounded in reality, happy, rather than resulting to gross, nonsensical exaggerations.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/5/2011, 11:32 am

Artie60438 wrote:
Heretic wrote:
Easier to go to an illegal, unregulated hack job like this instead of an actual, more expensive doctor.

It's the same mechanics that make marijuana more available to children than alcohol.
Meanwhile John Boehner R-Clueless's attempt to defund Planned Parenthood will definitely end up causing more abortions and more trips to the hacks like you pointed out.
What difference does it make if you go to a hack rather than a legitimate doctor?
The baby still ends up dead - mission accomplished - and everybody goes home happy.
Except for the baby.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/5/2011, 11:35 am

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happy jack wrote:
Heretic wrote:
Easier to go to an illegal, unregulated hack job like this instead of an actual, more expensive doctor.
Since taking the easy way out seems to be very important to you, it’s also easier to attempt to drive home with a .49 blood alcohol content than it is to surrender your keys, rustle up a taxi, and pay the expensive cab fare. Would you prefer to abolish those 'inconvenient' laws against drunk driving, too?

Rolling Eyes Yes, 'cause I so love dead children.

Glad we can keep this remotely grounded in reality, happy, rather than resulting to gross, nonsensical exaggerations.
I am grounded in reality.
You seem to be concerned more with convenience and cost than life or death.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/5/2011, 1:03 pm

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The baby still ends up dead - mission accomplished - and everybody goes home happy.

The legitimate doctor only aborts fetuses. Unregulated hack jobs like this have no problem killing actual babies. It's a small but necessary distinction, one that someone so "grounded in reality" should already have been aware of.

happy jack wrote:
You seem to be concerned more with convenience and cost than life or death.

So I must be pro-drunk driving because I recognize that abolishing abortion won't actually do so? Really?
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/5/2011, 4:39 pm

How many jobs will this create? Since the Repubs got control of the House,can anyone name a piece of legislation that they sponsored or brought to the floor that will help create jobs?

Michele Bachmann: Shut down government until Planned Parenthood is defunded
Services Planned Parenthood provided in 2008
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/5/2011, 6:23 pm

Thanks for the graphic - I hadn't seen that one.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/5/2011, 6:38 pm

And the 3% used on abortions isn't paid with taxpayer money.

At least there's one pro-lifer that's not a raging hypocrite: Georgia state Rep. Bobby Franklin

Quote :
Georgia Representative Wants To Investigate All Miscarriages

Do we need to have a full investigation when a woman miscarries to ensure she did not actually purposefully induce an abortion? If you're Bobby Franklin, a Georgia Representative, your answer would be "yes."

If your concern is actually about life, then the answer is a resounding YES. I pointed out this exact scenario to a few pro-lifers on the previous board and they scoffed at me. This guy gets it. But he's still not out of raging hypocrite range yet. Gotta shut down those fertility clinics since they kill far more "babies" than abortion. And then there's that pesky fact that the article mentions: One in three pregnancies end in miscarriage. It's fairly common, especially early in the pregnancy. Simple things can cause it, from too much caffeine to strenuous exercise. If life begins at conception, mom's at least guilty of negligent homicide; murder if it was done deliberately, since it's no different than paying a doctor for it. They'll be all the rage if abortion is ever outlawed, along with the tried and true favorites, Ole Staircase and Wire Hanger. Would attempting to have kids after being diagnosed with a disorder making pregnancy risky/unlikely warrant a charge too, since there's a high probability of miscarriage? I wonder.

And if they're really concerned with "life", the fetus would be constantly monitored, the mother on best rest to ensure the safety of the fetus during the dangerous first few months. But I may be getting ahead of myself. I'm assuming they're not "concerned more with convenience and cost than life or death".
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/6/2011, 10:02 am

Artie60438 wrote:

Michele Bachmann: Shut down government until Planned Parenthood is defunded
Services Planned Parenthood provided in 2008
I stand corrected - I had no idea that a mere 3% of their total services involved abortion.
When you look at it that way, it's almost laughable that folks would raise a hoo-hah over such a statistically insignificant number. That breaks down to only 328,308 dead babies per year, or one dead baby every minute and a half, give or take.
That's pretty much a drop in the bucket.
And speaking of drops in the bucket, what sound does a baby make when it is dropped into the bucket, post- 'choice'?
Is it a 'thud'?
It is a metallic 'clang'?
If the baby is fairly well-developed, do the remaining intact bones contribute to a 'crunch' sound?
Or is it just more of a 'splat'?
Feel free to add your own onomatopoeic descriptive.
(Incidentally, while perishing in a (bucket) is indeed a horrible way to go, would it be accurate to say that you don't give a rat's ass that (the baby) is dead?)


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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/6/2011, 10:17 am

Heretic wrote:
And the 3% used on abortions isn't paid with taxpayer money.
And how do they pull that one off?
Do they use marked bills?
Or do they keep the money earmarked for the provision of abortions in one of Al Gore's 'lockboxes'?
The federal funding they receive is fungible, so no matter how they twist the language or juggle the books, taxpayer money is being used to provide abortions.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/6/2011, 1:34 pm

And cancer screenings, STD testing, contraception, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/6/2011, 3:37 pm

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And cancer screenings, STD testing, contraception, etc.
Yes,and the fact is that money from private donations and certain foundations can more than cover the small percentage of abortions they perform.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/6/2011, 4:23 pm

happy jack wrote:
Heretic wrote:
And the 3% used on abortions isn't paid with taxpayer money.
And how do they pull that one off?
Do they use marked bills?
Or do they keep the money earmarked for the provision of abortions in one of Al Gore's 'lockboxes'?
The federal funding they receive is fungible, so no matter how they twist the language or juggle the books, taxpayer money is being used to provide abortions.

Or b) the taxpayer money simply goes into a separate account they don't use for abortions. They've had to since Nixon signed it into law 40 years ago.

Thanks for playing.

happy jack, in a crazy drunken tirade, wrote:
And speaking of drops in the bucket, what sound does a baby make when it is dropped into the bucket, post- 'choice'?
Is it a 'thud'?
It is a metallic 'clang'?
If the baby is fairly well-developed, do the remaining intact bones contribute to a 'crunch' sound?
Or is it just more of a 'splat'?
Feel free to add your own onomatopoeic descriptive.
(Incidentally, while perishing in a (bucket) is indeed a horrible way to go, would it be accurate to say that you don't give a rat's ass that (the baby) is dead?)

Yeah! Take that, rape victims!
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/6/2011, 9:04 pm

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happy jack wrote:
Heretic wrote:
And the 3% used on abortions isn't paid with taxpayer money.
And how do they pull that one off?
Do they use marked bills?
Or do they keep the money earmarked for the provision of abortions in one of Al Gore's 'lockboxes'?
The federal funding they receive is fungible, so no matter how they twist the language or juggle the books, taxpayer money is being used to provide abortions.

Or b) the taxpayer money simply goes into a separate account they don't use for abortions. They've had to since Nixon signed it into law 40 years ago.

Thanks for playing.

Yeah. A separate account managed by the same organization.
Jesus H.
How gullible do you need to be to buy that crock?
A parent hands a child eight dollar bills as an allowance and tells the child that those eight dollar bills must go into a savings account. Then, the parent hands the child two dollar bills and tells the child that those bills may be used for candy. The child wads up all of the bills and crams them into his pocket. When he goes to buy candy, which bills must he use in order to remain compliant with the parent's wishes?
And what the hell difference does it make anyway? The same entity will spend money from the overall budget, regardless of what it is earmarked for.
Thanks for playing, my ass.


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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/6/2011, 9:09 pm

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KarenT wrote:
And cancer screenings, STD testing, contraception, etc.
Yes,and the fact is that money from private donations and certain foundations can more than cover the small percentage of abortions they perform.
Small percentage of their total services?
Yes.
Small actual number? Not so much.
328,308 dead babies per year.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/6/2011, 9:21 pm

Heretic wrote:

happy jack, in a crazy drunken tirade, wrote:
And speaking of drops in the bucket, what sound does a baby make when it is dropped into the bucket, post- 'choice'?
Is it a 'thud'?
It is a metallic 'clang'?
If the baby is fairly well-developed, do the remaining intact bones contribute to a 'crunch' sound?
Or is it just more of a 'splat'?
Feel free to add your own onomatopoeic descriptive.
(Incidentally, while perishing in a (bucket) is indeed a horrible way to go, would it be accurate to say that you don't give a rat's ass that (the baby) is dead?)

If "crazy drunken tirade" means the same thing as 'pointing out uncomfortable facts that most pro-abortionists would prefer to not publicly acknowledge', then hell, Heretic, ya got me on that one!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Abortionist could face death penalty   3/7/2011, 6:59 am

Actually, I believe it goes into a sealed container.

IMO, until the fetus is viable, it is potential life, not really alive.
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