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 The Proposed New York Mosque

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KarenT
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Scorpion

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PostSubject: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/12/2010, 1:45 pm

I just wanted to start a thread about this subject. Personally, I've been appalled at the negative reaction by many to the proposed cultural center.

I have more to say regarding this, but I'll wait and see f there is any interest in discussing this topic
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Artie60438




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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/12/2010, 4:39 pm

The hatred that's come out stunning. John Stewart had a great segment on it the other night.

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/12/2010, 6:48 pm

We shouldn't have a mosque in New York for the same reason there aren't Japanese restaurants and sushi in Hawaii.

Or something. I don't know... My brain starts hurting when I attempt to understand tea party logic. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/12/2010, 6:59 pm

The most terrifying "you woke up in bizarro world" story about this was that the ADL came out against it, prompting Fareed Zakaria to return an award given to him by the league for fighting for religious freedom. He explained his reasons:

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Bloomberg’s speech stands in stark contrast to the bizarre decision of the Anti-Defamation League to publicly side with those urging that the center be moved. The ADL’s mission statement says it seeks “to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens.” But Abraham Foxman, the head of the ADL, explained that we must all respect the feelings of the 9/11 families, even if they are prejudiced feelings. “Their anguish entitles them to positions that others would categorize as irrational or bigoted,” he said. First, the 9/11 families have mixed views on this mosque. There were, after all, dozens of Muslims killed at the World Trade Center. Do their feelings count? But more important, does Foxman believe that bigotry is OK if people think they’re victims? Does the anguish of Palestinians, then, entitle them to be anti-Semitic?

Five years ago, the ADL honored me with its Hubert H. Humphrey First Amendment Freedoms Prize. I was thrilled to get the award from an organization that I had long admired. But I cannot in good conscience keep it anymore. I have returned both the handsome plaque and the $10,000 honorarium that came with it. I urge the ADL to reverse its decision. Admitting an error is a small price to pay to regain a reputation.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/12/2010, 7:23 pm

And besides, we've had a mosque in the Pentagon for quite some time now with little or no fanfare that I noticed, demolishing what ever bullshit "THEYZ COMES KILL US WHILE WE SLEEPZ" or "THINK OF THE FAMILIES" reasoning that's ultimately behind this.

And if conservatives really cared about the soldiers dying in this "war vs Islam", they'd support such an endeavor. Not only do contemporary mosques deter terrorism, but such public and blatantly xenophobic opposition only feeds into the "America's out to get us" myth that terrorists use for recruitment.

This whole thing just smacks of the usual ignorance, fear, and hypocrisy I've come to know and loathe from conservatives and Republicans over the past couple of years.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/13/2010, 5:59 am

It's a couple blocks away. They haven't even started rebuilding at ground zero - for heaven's sake, get something going!
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/13/2010, 6:59 am

Heretic wrote:
...I've come to know and loathe from conservatives and Republicans over the past couple of years.
At least you admit to two groups, conservatives and Republicans.
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/13/2010, 7:48 am

They identify themselves as two different groups, though I see little difference between them.

Any comment on the actual topic?
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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/13/2010, 11:39 am

KarenT wrote:
It's a couple blocks away. They haven't even started rebuilding at ground zero - for heaven's sake, get something going!

There has been a lot of progress at the site. The new One World Trade Center is already 34 stories tall.

The new WTC7 building has been completed.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

Here's a site with pictures of the progress, updated daily, if you're interested...

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html

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Artie60438




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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/13/2010, 11:59 am

Scorpion wrote:
KarenT wrote:
It's a couple blocks away. They haven't even started rebuilding at ground zero - for heaven's sake, get something going!

There has been a lot of progress at the site. The new One World Trade Center is already 34 stories tall.
This has to be one of the best kept secrets ever. Like Karen,I had no idea construction had started.
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Heretic

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PostSubject: Re: The Proposed New York Mosque   The  Proposed New York Mosque Empty8/13/2010, 1:15 pm

Hell, I didn't know either. What's the final project gonna look like?

I always like this clip about what to rebuild on the site. It's from Penn & Teller's Bullsh*t! back when they were still arguing over what to build (not safe for work, or those who are squeamish around foul language):