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PostSubject: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   11/2/2009, 12:29 pm

Next time you run into a wingnut regurgitating the usual kooky talking points remind then of these inconvenient facts....

Pop Quiz: Under Reagan, What Was Peak Unemployment, How Long Before It Began Declining?
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Class, I am shocked, shocked, that no one is raising his right hand. So, I'll tell you. Reagan inherited an unemployment rate of 7.6%, no wars, no major financial crisis, a still robust auto industry, a right wing clamoring for increased defense spending (that helps domestic employment), no retiring baby boomers actually taking down social security funds.

To answer the pop quiz: the unemployment rate under Reagan went from 7.6% to 9.7-9.8% in the summer after his inaugural, and remained at that level for two years, before it began to decline in the summer of 1983. In "Obama-time", that would be the equivalent of the summer of 2011. Moreover, the economy did not begin improving until the Spring, 1983, in "Obama-time" that is Spring, 2011.

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Surprise question for extra credit: what was Reagan's approval rating in January, 1983, two years into his Presidency? Again, no one raising their right hand except Dickie Cheney and OJ? OK, the correct answer: 35%--an approval rating only Dick Cheney and OJ Simpson would cheer.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   11/4/2009, 1:45 am

Tell it to all the people who are desperate for any job, no matter how crappy the pay. A person with an experience is not at the mercy of a crafty argument. Rolling Eyes

It kills me how the White House is claiming victory for jobs made and jobs saved. But they have no proof of any jobs actually saved. Meanwhile unemployment claims are increasing, not decreasing. And that doesn't factor in those whos benefits have been exhausted.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   11/4/2009, 7:58 am

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Tell it to all the people who are desperate for any job, no matter how crappy the pay. A person with an experience is not at the mercy of a crafty argument. Rolling Eyes

It kills me how the White House is claiming victory for jobs made and jobs saved. But they have no proof of any jobs actually saved. Meanwhile unemployment claims are increasing, not decreasing. And that doesn't factor in those whos benefits have been exhausted.

There are hardly any jobs out there. My daughters' Fiancee has been desparately looking for work, with no luck. He was even called back for a 2nd interview for one job, but didn't get it. The few jobs that are out there, are like meat thrown to the sharks. It is a feeding frenzy.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   11/4/2009, 8:33 am

Tiger1 wrote:
Passion wrote:
Tell it to all the people who are desperate for any job, no matter how crappy the pay. A person with an experience is not at the mercy of a crafty argument. Rolling Eyes

It kills me how the White House is claiming victory for jobs made and jobs saved. But they have no proof of any jobs actually saved. Meanwhile unemployment claims are increasing, not decreasing. And that doesn't factor in those whos benefits have been exhausted.

There are hardly any jobs out there. My daughters' Fiancee has been desparately looking for work, with no luck. He was even called back for a 2nd interview for one job, but didn't get it. The few jobs that are out there, are like meat thrown to the sharks. It is a feeding frenzy.

If you knew anything about finance you'd know that unemployment is always the last thing to recover in a downturn.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   11/5/2009, 4:57 pm

When Reagan's unemployment record declined, it was not because people got jobs. Mostly it was because they just weren't getting unemployment benefits anymore. I know we were working reduced hours until late 1984.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   6/22/2010, 9:08 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/17/2010, 7:42 am

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Obamas continue busy Maine holiday
By MARK S. SMITH, Associated Press Writer Mark S. Smith, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 20 mins ago

BAR HARBOR, Maine – The nation's coastlines have been good to President Barack Obama this week — first with news BP's gushing oil well is finally capped, then with a family vacation that got off to a spectacular start.

In the first day alone it spanned the tallest mountain peak along the Eastern Seaboard, a bicycle ride beside a pristine lake and an exhilarating boat ride through a wind-whipped bay.

The vacation for Obama, his wife, Michelle, and daughters Malia and Sasha continued Saturday with other planned activities centered on Acadia National Park, a 47,000-acre gem that brackets this upscale summer resort.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/17/2010, 9:26 am

There's another thread comparing presidents' vacation times, BWG.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/17/2010, 9:47 am

KarenT wrote:
There's another thread comparing presidents' vacation times, BWG.
Yeah...so?
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/17/2010, 10:11 am

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Confidence in Obama reaches new low, Washington Post-ABC News poll finds


By Dan Balz and Jon Cohen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 13, 2010; A01

Public confidence in President Obama has hit a new low, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll. Four months before midterm elections that will define the second half of his term, nearly six in 10 voters say they lack faith in the president to make the right decisions for the country, and a clear majority once again disapproves of how he is dealing with the economy.

Regard for Obama is still higher than it is for members of Congress, but the gap has narrowed. About seven in 10 registered voters say they lack confidence in Democratic lawmakers and a similar proportion say so of Republican lawmakers.

Overall, more than a third of voters polled -- 36 percent -- say they have no confidence or only some confidence in the president, congressional Democrats and congressional Republicans. Among independents, this disillusionment is higher still. About two-thirds of all voters say they are dissatisfied with or angry about the way the federal government is working.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/17/2010, 10:56 am

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President Ronald Reagan, who also contended with a serious recession at the outset of his first term, was a little lower at this point in 1982, with a 46 percent to 45 percent split on his approval ratings. Republicans went on to lose about two dozen seats in the House that fall.

Of course, Reagan and Clinton subsequently rebounded and went on to win reelection easily. Obama advisers find some hope from that history, even as the historical record foreshadows Democratic losses this November.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/18/2010, 9:31 am

BigWhiteGuy wrote:
KarenT wrote:
There's another thread comparing presidents' vacation times, BWG.
Yeah...so?

Hey, BWG, I read that article...did you read the comments?

I couldn't resist copying it...it made me LOL!

Obamas enjoy family vacation in the great outdoors
By Felicia Sonmez
BAR HARBOR, Maine -- President Obama and his family aren't just getting outside the Beltway on their brief vacation here -- they're getting outside, period.

Since their arrival Friday afternoon, the Obamas have been biking, hiking and boating their way around Mount Desert Island, the third-largest island on the Eastern Seaboard and home to the 47,000-acre Acadia National Park.

The first stop Friday was a 90-minute bike ride on the lushly wooded trails around Witch Hole Pond at the northern end of the island. Then came a family hike on Cadillac Mountain, at 1,530 feet the highest peak on the East Coast, followed by an ice cream stop in downtown Bar Harbor, where the president took a momentary break from his coconut ice cream cone to pose for a few pictures with onlookers.

The Obamas rounded out their first day with a National Park Service boat ride on Frenchman Bay and a waterfront dinner at Stewman's Lobster Pound. Even dinner was outdoors: The first family, who arrived at the restaurant via boat, sat at a table on a pier overlooking the bay. (The president and the first lady dined on lobster, while their daughters shared a shrimp basket, according to restaurant manager Jeff Buffington, who also noted that Obama "shook hands with everybody" and was "very friendly" to the surprised diners on the pier.)

On Saturday, the Obamas kept up their busy pace with a morning of tennis at the Bar Harbor Club, an elegant compound constructed by J.P. Morgan in 1929. In the afternoon, they traveled to Southwest Harbor, where they grabbed lunch at the waterfront Claremont Hotel before taking in the sights at the Bass Harbor Head lighthouse, which sits atop a rocky precipice on the southern tip of the island.

First do Bo, who came along for the weekend getaway, watched from below as the first family climbed to the top of the lighthouse, but he joined in at the next stop, an afternoon hike along the rocky Ship Harbor trail. The Obamas hiked for about an hour, taking breaks to skip rocks along the water, play with Bo and chat with other families, according to Katie McCormick-Lelyveld, the first lady's press secretary.

The vacation follows one the first family took last summer to Yellowstone National Park and Grand Canyon National Park, where whitewater rafting and peach-picking were among the activities they enjoyed in the great outdoors.

Unlike that trip -- as well as the Obamas' other recent vacations to Martha's Vineyard, Hawaii and a brief Memorial Day trip to Chicago -- the first family's latest getaway has been relatively free of interruption.

Perhaps the only reminder this weekend of the political pressures facing Obama came Saturday afternoon, when a handful of anti-war protesters gathered at the downtown Village Green.

Patty Ryan, 64, a retired land conservation specialist and one of the protest's organizers, said the group had been holding anti-war protests every Sunday, rain or shine, beginning the week after Sept. 11, 2001, but ending on the day Obama was elected, "to give him a chance."

Asked whether Saturday's event meant that the protests will resume, Ryan said the group will "probably have a discussion about that."

"It's a big commitment," she said, adding: "We live in paradise."

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I guess the one thing we can be thankful for on this day is that we get closer and closer to ending our national tragedy of electing this idiot into office. Vacations, gold outsings, flights weekly for "campaign style" speeches, concerts, etc. The guy say he will not rest until....but always seems to be resting. What an idiot. (Posted by an Obamaican who realizes the mistake he made)

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“Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.”

Thomas Paine, Philadelphia, February 14, 1776


Posted by: Rascal69 | July 18, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

WeMadeAmistake: "Turns out that he lied about the mandatory requirement to carry health care coverage or face a 'fine'. During the debate, Obama argued that is was NOT a tax. Now they are defending the lawsuits against the bill mandate by the states as a TAX that congress has a right to levy! OBAMA IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR."
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Yep. Absolutely correct.

Posted by: txdon | July 18, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel " pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land". Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land". Now Obama has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged the Promised Land!
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/18/2010, 9:42 am

At least they are practicing what Michelle preaches - activity! I'm sure he still gets briefings several times a day.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/18/2010, 10:05 am

fLOOD CONTROL...SEE BELOW.



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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/18/2010, 10:12 am

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Tell it to all the people who are desperate for any job, no matter how crappy the pay. A person with an experience is not at the mercy of a crafty argument. Rolling Eyes

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Hey, Passion, I didn't even see your post on top of mine until "flood control came on, giving you an option of saving or modifying. Isn't it weird we were writing about the same thing...??? Unknowingly at the same time. I'm not sure this got posted...usually it tells ya to wait 60 seconds and then when you hit save, it shows up twice. We'll see...gonna hit "Post" now!!!!

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It kills me how the White House is claiming victory for jobs made and jobs saved. But they have no proof of any jobs actually saved. Meanwhile unemployment claims are increasing, not decreasing. And that doesn't factor in those whos benefits have been exhausted.

Just now watching, "Meet The Press"...you guys didn't know that 2.3 million jobs were lost - in additional to some millions of jobs lost under Bush, but the Obama administration claims they "saved or created X millions of jobs since his second 6 month term started.

My question is (the program isn't over yet), why don't they tell us where these jobs were created? Who are they, where are they?

Transparency...my azz.

They are claiming at the roundtable that Obama will be making a big mistake if he continues passing bills, laws, etc., that are not even transparent to the public, and he is not considered a good president. Channel 5 - go watch the rest.

Mostly about a debate about R vs D in Nov. 48% now disapprove of Obama.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   7/18/2010, 11:47 am

You can compare Presidential approval ratings at any point in time. Guess what? Obama is still polling higher than either Reagan or Clinton as of now.
Explore Gallup data on presidential job approval ratings from Truman to Obama.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama Jobs Record vs St Ronnie Reagan's   2/9/2015, 4:30 pm

Obama v. Reagan: Fun Comparison I Did To Piss Off Wingnuts on Reagan's B-day
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Obama v. Reagan: Fun Comparison I Did To Piss Off Wingnuts on Reagan's B-day

Yesterday was Reagan's birthday.  I share this post for with those who start dripping with sentimentality forgetting what he did, what his legacy is still doing, and worst of all, (for my conservative friends), that they wouldn't have liked him today anyway:

Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan:  

No Scalia, No Rumsfeld, No Cheney.  No Bushes and all of their appointments and disasters.  No funding of dictators like Saddam Hussein (Reagan propped him up big time) or psychopaths like Osama Bin Laden (that worked out well).  

An America far less dependent on oil.  A superpower respected for skilled diplomacy in ending conflicts, instead of starting them. And a healthy economy with a strong middle class instead of a world where the labor movement has been viciously attacked, and the middle class is systematically being dismantled.  Under Reagan, corporations gained massive power to the point today where they have become "people".  Unions, the worker's last protection,  were severely weakened, and the socioeconomic gap exploded.  He also bankrupted us, pouring  hundreds of billions into wasteful spending, like the failed and ridiculous Star Wars missile-defense system.   All in just 8 short years.

Reagan created the modern plutocracy. He introduced us to the whole "take from the poor, give to the rich" supply-side economics that we still suffer today.  He turned compassion to the less fortunate to villianization...  created the mythical "welfare queen", mocked AIDS patients, and let his fellow "Christians" know it was okay to belittle the homeless.    

CEOs before Reagan made 78 times their minimum wage workers.  Today, its almost  3500 times!  Without Reagan, America might have had the same income distribution we had in the 1970s, which would mean we would be averaging $120,000 annually--not $40,000.  

Reagan was the realization of Barry Goldwater's failed dream that put the GOP on the path of crazytown where it is today.  He somehow managed to blend the selfish, plutocratic Ayn Randian economic philosophy with fundamental Christianity and wrap it all up into a cowboy, patriotic image that was as phony as this ranch.  Bottom line.  REAGAN WAS A BASTARD.

And we are still hurting.  So when I hear the idiot conservatives longing for him on social media, the radio and the "specials" on Faux News, I want them to hurt.  And the best way to do that?    HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS.  

Next time someone starts revising history or just starts a syrupy tribute, hit them with this.  Comparing their St. Ronnie with the man that literally drives them insane... Mr. O'Barry himself.  Shoot them the following information...then just watch them squirm and enjoy the fireworks:

REAGAN CUT AND RUN, OBAMA DIDN'T COWER
Remember when the GOP loved to say "cut and run" as an excuse to keep our troops in Iraq forever? Even after they said "Mission Accomplished"?  But who invented cut and run?  
The Gipper.

OBAMA:  
Our troops were repeatedly attacked in Afghanistan, yet when Obama came into office, he increased troop strength by 68,000.  (Along with an actual plan, unlike his predecessor.)  His track record of killing terrorists far outweighs his predecessors.

REAGAN:  
Reagan retreated from Lebanon immediately after the 1983 terror attack by Hezbollah that resulted in the murder of 243 Marines.  According to the 9/11 Commission Report (p. 96), Reagan's cut and run INSPIRED Bin Laden, who viewed the United States as a “paper tiger” because of its rapid withdrawal after the attack.

OBAMA KILLED TERRORISTS, REAGAN GAVE THEM WEAPONS
OBAMA:  
Gave the naval commander the go ahead to kill several pirates, which resulted in saving the life of Captain Richard Phillips.  (PS--Even though terrorists were killed and the captain rescued, f--king Rush Limbaugh, who originally accused Obama of dithering on saving Capt. Phillips, then cried that Obama killed teenagers when the snipers took out the pirates.  Obama-Derangement-Syndrome.)

OH!  And there was also that whole killing of Osama thing you might of heard about.  Obama went against the advice of his own vice president and Defense Secretary Gates and ordered the assault.  He is even responsible for ordering the two backup helicopters in case of problems, which was a good thing since one of the assault choppers crashed outside the compound.

I would also like to point out that Obama's military intervention thru a multi-state coalition resulted in the death of Muammar Gaddafi and ended his regime without the death of one American soldier.  Reagan tried a unilateral action against Gaddafi and failed miserably.  You're welcome.

REAGAN:  
Reagan APPEASED terrorists.  He ignored their atrocities and spent taxpayer dollars to train, arm, equip, fund and overall coddle Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan for his proxy war with the Soviets. He is directly responsible for making a terrorist kingpin out of Osama Bin Laden. Reagan loved him some Taliban:
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Reagan meeting with leaders of the Islamic Jihad at the White House 1985

But all I really need to say is two words:  IRAN-CONTRA.  Reagan was so bad he SECRETLY TRADED F*^KING arms for HOSTAGES!  DO I really need to say more??  Can you just imagine the wingnut explosion if Obama did that?

Reagan also met with our enemies without preconditions (1985, Soviet Union)... something that Obama was attacked for saying he just wanted to do.   But again, giving weapons to terrorists pretty much takes the cake.  

AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS:
This drives the GOP NUTS when I point this out.  Who knew?  

REAGAN:  

   I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.
   -Ronald Reagan 10/28/1984

OBAMA:

   No matter how  decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these law should be held accountable.
   -Barack Obama  July 2010

Made that up, did I?  Watch it yourself

REAGAN RAISED INCOME TAXES 11 TIMES, OBAMA NEVER
OBAMA:
In fact, wound up being the largest tax-cutter in presidential history cutting $654 billion in 2011 and 2012 alone. He was in favor of letting the Bush tax cuts EXPIRE for the super wealthy, (which no, is not the same as a tax hike), but even that didn't come to pass.  Romney in 2012 even admitted Obama didn't raise taxes.  

Obama has consistently CUT taxes, not raised them.  

REAGAN:  
He got through a big tax cut once he took office. But to hear conservatives talk, that's where the story ends. They forget he raised income taxes in 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986 and 1987.

Actually, he raised taxes 11 times to include four MASSIVE tax increases!  

DEFICIT SPENDING
REAGAN:  
Whether you are looking at the economic policies of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush, reining in the deficit was clearly of no concern. Reagan tripled the Gross Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion. Ford and Carter in their combined terms could only double it. It took 31 years to accomplish the first postwar debt tripling, yet Reagan did it in eight. Reagan soared the spending, Clinton brought in back down a bit, and W. took it way back up.  To be fair to the Gipper, NO ONE did deficit like W.  He spent the Clinton surplus like  a drunken sailor.  And by the way, Obama's spending initiatives were  less than half of his predecessor.  

UPDATE:  From politifact, Obama has cut the national deficit in half!

OBAMA:  
Even though Obama inherited a huge debt from W., and focused on a stimulus that benefited the people instead of Bush's stimulus for Wall Street, he still has a much better record on spending than the Gipper and much better than W.  Obama did not triple the gross federal debt like Reagan did.  Obama is following the Clinton model of spending up front and then focusing on deficit reduction.  I predict at the end of Obama's term in 2016, the deficit will be cut drastically--but it can't be anywhere close to what Reagan or Bush had at the end of their two terms.  Why?  Because the GOP loves to throw money at their base...tax cuts for Big Oil and the wealthiest amongst us which add hundreds of billions to the debt but create nothing.  That ain't happening--you are welcome teabaggers.

ABORTION
OBAMA:  
Believes abortion should be safe, legal and rare.  And they are.  Abortions under Obama are at their lowest rate since 1973.  Granted, as the article says it has more to do with advances in birth control than anything a politician does, but once again shows conservatives to be liars when they claimed abortions would skyrocket under Obama.  Although Obama supports reproductive freedom, when the Dems controlled both houses of Congress, he proposed no legislation that would make abortion access easier (which would have been nice because of the constant assault from conservatives).

REAGAN:
Stauchly forced-birth.  Yet wingnuts never talk about his policies as governor.  Reagan signed the "Therapeutic Abortion Act" only six months as California governor. There were 518 legal abortions in California in 1967, and the number of abortions would soar to an annual average of 100,000 in the remaining years of Reagan’s two terms.  This was more abortions than in any U.S. state prior to the advent of Roe v. Wade.  Just sayin'

GUN CONTROL
(I give Reagan props for this, even though it was only because he got shot.  But like his abortion law, conservatives sweep this under the rug:)

REAGAN:
COMPLETELY supported the Brady Bill, the holy grail of gun control.  Reagan even wrote an op-ed piece for it in the evil NY Times.

OBAMA:
The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence flunked Obama on every single gun control issue.  Proposed nothing for federal gun control laws when he had a super majority Dem Congress.  When he had that Dem majority, in fact, federal gun rights EXPANDED by allowing guns on trains and in our national parks.  Yet the NRA still told their idiot members that Obama was coming to take their guns.... and gun sales skyrocketed.

So what's the verdict?  Conservatives love affair with Reagan and their hate affair with Obama seems to be bassackwards.

I submit it was REAGAN who was the illegal amnesty-supporting, gun control loving, deficit spending, tax raising, terrorist coddling coward.  (As for support of "traditional family values", Obama has a great relationship with his family--Reagan was the first divorced president and was estranged from his children.)

Challenge a conservative to disprove anything I mentioned here.  I supported it with the facts.  Just be prepared for all kinds of name-calling.

And just to turn the screws... presidential scholars think Obama outranks Reagan as president.  So in a few years I expect to be flying into Obama National in DC!  Oh, it is going to happen.

Happy birthday Wingnuts!
Should you happen across a wingnut troll that starts whining about Obama point him to these friendly reminders. Very Happy
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